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News Docker player in police investigation?
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Agreed, the irony is pretty thick though dont you think?
If MJ had come onto the field and been tested positive for coke then it would be a strike. The club would not know and then ALL of this would not even get a mention.
That he got caught in public is the real issue here. The double standards are a blight on the AFL and the community at large.
All this being said. If true MJ did the wrong thing and the club will be forced to take action.
This is the most pathetic argument I have read. Seems to me you are trying to justify your own criminal acts. If you popping pills isn't hurting anyone else, you really are kidding yourself. Think about it (I'm sure you won't be able to work it out). You and your type are PATHETIC.
P.S we don't live in America and it is not the 1920's
MJ has been proving guilty based on media presenters opinion and baseless assumptions.
The club will investigate and if the police are involved it will all become public, but at the moment it is pure rumor and speculation
I'd be surprised if he is cause he doesn't come across like the type, but, i'm sure the club will handle it well and only dish out punishment based on fact not because media personalities reading and listening to other people's Chinese whispers
Hopefully they can get to the bottom and sort it out today and move on.
People are innocent until proved guilty and just because scummy media outlets are going for headlines doesn't always mean they are fact. One thing i know is that media outlets will say anything to get a headline about anybody and rarely apologizes when they are wrong...
The club will investigate and if the police are involved it will all become public, but at the moment it is pure rumor and speculation
I'd be surprised if he is cause he doesn't come across like the type, but, i'm sure the club will handle it well and only dish out punishment based on fact not because media personalities reading and listening to other people's Chinese whispers
Hopefully they can get to the bottom and sort it out today and move on.
People are innocent until proved guilty and just because scummy media outlets are going for headlines doesn't always mean they are fact. One thing i know is that media outlets will say anything to get a headline about anybody and rarely apologizes when they are wrong...
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Herald Sun reporter recons he'll get 8 weeks and a drug strike.
Seems excessive!
Seems excessive!
Agreed DL1. As Johno's buddy I am sadden and disappointed if this is all true.
Here I was thinking after Friday night all I'd have to do this week is support Johno on his lackluster performance, that he is in a lul at the moment and he will bounce back against the Swans on Saturday... I just didn't predict this type of 'bounce back' ....
Agree innocent until proven guilty, however from what we've seen and read it doesn't look promising at this point. I know we cant believe everything we read via the media.
I agree if it is true then YES he must get suspended and depending on the circumstances something similar to Stokes. At this point, I am not for
delisting him unless there are other circumstances surrounding all this that we as member's and supporters at this point are unaware of.
rowdy3012
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I think it should be handled similar to Stokes.
Stand by the young man and help him out but let him know this is not acceptable. I dont know Johnson but he comes across as a nice guy, everyone makes mistakes and as long as they learn from it.
I hope he takes his ban gets back and plays some good WAFL games and works hard training with his WAFL team. Returns to Freo and continues to knuckle down and repay Freo for standing by him. He should be drug tested three times a week from now on also.
I am not knaive and know he is not alone at our club but unfortunately for Johnson he got caught.
My personal belief is that most drug sers are not happy enough with life that they have to get artificially happy. I hope the club can find out if there is an underlying issue and deal with it also.
Stand by the young man and help him out but let him know this is not acceptable. I dont know Johnson but he comes across as a nice guy, everyone makes mistakes and as long as they learn from it.
I hope he takes his ban gets back and plays some good WAFL games and works hard training with his WAFL team. Returns to Freo and continues to knuckle down and repay Freo for standing by him. He should be drug tested three times a week from now on also.
I am not knaive and know he is not alone at our club but unfortunately for Johnson he got caught.
My personal belief is that most drug sers are not happy enough with life that they have to get artificially happy. I hope the club can find out if there is an underlying issue and deal with it also.
i can see the club making an example of MJ. suspending him for a couple of months and making him play in the WAFL. it will be at least 6 weeks, as that's what the cats gave stokes for a similar stuff up.
silly lad. hoping it fires up the rest of the team instead of bringing them down.
opens the door for kepler a bit.
silly lad. hoping it fires up the rest of the team instead of bringing them down.
opens the door for kepler a bit.
Take the Adelaide route rather than the Geelong - suspend him indefinitely and then get him back in once the issue dies down or if you have a run of injuries.
No more than 4 weeks and appropriate community work.
Collingwood were loath to suspend players for fear of hurting the club results. They ended up being suspended not for the infringement but for lying about the incident to the club.
Why hamstring yourselves when other clubs obtain an injunction and set about collecting silverware.
No more than 4 weeks and appropriate community work.
Collingwood were loath to suspend players for fear of hurting the club results. They ended up being suspended not for the infringement but for lying about the incident to the club.
Why hamstring yourselves when other clubs obtain an injunction and set about collecting silverware.
Purple Muttley
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Haven't we got a couple of players in the Rookie list DESPERATE to be on the Big Boys list.
Given the four inches between Jonno's ears have imploded (soft tissue injury)- this should qualify for the Long Term Injury List - Get him on it.
Much rather have one of the rookies who has a passion for the club getting the chance for a game.
Haven't we got a couple of players in the Rookie list DESPERATE to be on the Big Boys list.
Given the four inches between Jonno's ears have imploded (soft tissue injury)- this should qualify for the Long Term Injury List - Get him on it.
Much rather have one of the rookies who has a passion for the club getting the chance for a game.
How can someone who gets caught via the testing system get zero weeks ? Yet if you get caught outside the system you get 6+?? Both people were in possession at some point. Double standards really.
You're right but there seems to be a standard in society at the moment that if you're caught using an ILLEGAL drug, you're somehow a victim (e.g. Claire Murray, Ben Cousins), but if you're caught in possesion your a criminal. Go figure.
I posted some links back a few pages which nobody seemed to read ... but MJ was voted Best Clubman in 2009. In 2007 he was runner up in the AFL "Community Leadership Award" and for years has been an ambassador for a cancer charity out of PMH. Its not like the guy hasn't done some good things off the field, these should stand for something when judging his character. Some of the moral crusading is a bit over the top.
I think the best way forward is to give him an indefinite suspension during which he plays in the WAFL, give him say a minimum of 4 weeks and after that bring him back when his form and attitude demands it.
I think the best way forward is to give him an indefinite suspension during which he plays in the WAFL, give him say a minimum of 4 weeks and after that bring him back when his form and attitude demands it.
Agree 100%
The Falcon Strike
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It's an issue because the media want it to be and it will sell advertisements.
I know many of people who have or do take drugs - some are morons, some are good fellas - just like those who don't take them.
He'll probably cop a suspension to the end of the season or the like for being dumb - but it's no biggie IMO. The thing about MJ and Stokes as an example - is neither of them have been d1ckheads off the field - so most of us will be happy to gloss over it.
I know many of people who have or do take drugs - some are morons, some are good fellas - just like those who don't take them.
He'll probably cop a suspension to the end of the season or the like for being dumb - but it's no biggie IMO. The thing about MJ and Stokes as an example - is neither of them have been d1ckheads off the field - so most of us will be happy to gloss over it.
Yep, I'll third that.
I am here but not the Dockerland that you are talking about.
Back on track. Johnson is still innocent until charged and convicted. If guilty it will be a HUGE loss for us. Anyone thinking anything else completely unaware of team balance and structure.
Sad day if true. It may be like the Steven Koops steroid debacle. So lets see what happens first before hanging anyone yet.
For all those Wet Toast fans jumping on the bagging bandwagon. Piss off. Your club is still getting over Mainwaring.
TBH I certainly won't be jumping on any bagging bandwagon when it comes to AFL players and drugs.
Too many Freo supporters on that wagon already.
I'll just sit back and enjoy the view ............ some great posts on here already
shibz_1989
Norm Smith Medallist
Absolutely!! At the end of the day, those caught with drugs are just as bad as these "victims". Don't even get me started...
TroyUgle
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Very, very good point mate.
The AFL can catch you twice and does nothing, but the police catch you and make it public all of a sudden your employer feels obliged to give you an 8-week holiday to avoid being seen as being soft on drugs.
I reckon name and shame - even though I know it would probably mean two or three of my clubs players being banned. Three strikes is ridiculous, and we are the only code in the world who has such a blatantly flawed system, all in the name of protecting the AFL's brand
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All values people have are meaningless. So Illegal CAN always equal immoral just depends on the person.
You're trying to sway people to your values by presenting them an argument that will make them see their values are illogical and simply passed on by mr big government. However....
Looking at certain images is illegal (unless you're the police or judges) but if you aren't hurting anyone is it immoral? I'm guessing you're anti child/beast pr0n right?
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You are hurting someone in that case.
Anyway, in the case of Johnson, morals have nothing to do with it. The rules of playing AFL are pretty plain. Don't use drugs. The tolerance is the same with drugs and drink on a mine site.
I feel for Magic.
He stuffed up. He needs to wear this one. Hopefully his AFL community awards and high standing as a senior player have some effect on the harshness of his punishment.
No one can make an excuse for him -- he takes what he gets and he puts his head down.
Hopefully he comes out raging for success and showing the younger players that coke (or whatever) doesn't need to be synonymous with being an AFL footballer.
He stuffed up. He needs to wear this one. Hopefully his AFL community awards and high standing as a senior player have some effect on the harshness of his punishment.
No one can make an excuse for him -- he takes what he gets and he puts his head down.
Hopefully he comes out raging for success and showing the younger players that coke (or whatever) doesn't need to be synonymous with being an AFL footballer.
Yes that is what some people believe isn't it. Obviously there is no "direct hurt" involved in looking at a picture, just like there is no "direct hurt" in popping a pill into your own body beyond the obvious physiology changes. However people love drawing all these lines of connection to where the hurt really is.
But they have trouble doing the same when it comes to something like... where the oil they put in their car comes from. Let us not draw any connections to things that show us general people in a bad light. It's ok to hurt to drive isn't it?
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Like many of us here he has kids and a family as well which will only exacerbate certain things for him. I hope the club and the AFL just don't cut him lose entirely like the Angwin/Carlton thing many years ago. I don't think that will happen. Hopefully he will work through his lengthy suspension and make it back into the first team.
Very, very good point mate.
The AFL can catch you twice and does nothing, but the police catch you and make it public all of a sudden your employer feels obliged to give you an 8-week holiday to avoid being seen as being soft on drugs.
I reckon name and shame - even though I know it would probably mean two or three of my clubs players being banned. Three strikes is ridiculous, and we are the only code in the world who has such a blatantly flawed system, all in the name of protecting the AFL's brand
The difference is in the standard of evidence.
Proving use of a drug from a drug test only is actually quite difficult and
the AFL would struggle to hold their positive drugs tests as comprehensive proof that someone used drugs. The police can only charge if the person is caught whilst driving and the sample is taken by a qualified doctor and the evidence chain is maintained throughout etc etc. I doubt the AFL conduct their drug tests to the same standard. Even then it's driving under the influence not "use drugs". There's rarely anyone in WA charged with "use drugs" under the Misuse of Drugs Act.
Actually catching someone in possession is much easier to prove as proving it is much easier.
Hence the police catching you in possession is able to be looked at more seriously. It is very strong proof.