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[Niximus]

The Doctor IS his name. Its the one he adopted. His true name, though... we don't know.

Well, we kinda do...it's this

 

[ManWithNoName]

Like seeing Ralph Wiggum's heart break, we can see the exact moment the internet blew up.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

OK, that was kinda cool. Nice seeing the Sisterhood of Karn again too (from Brain of Morbius in case anyone didn't know).

One thing I didn't know before today is that "The Day of the Doctor" is airing simultaneously across the world (take THAT torrent pirates!). 6:50am on Sunday 24th here. No sleeping in that day.

 

[Niximus]

I'm hoping that the Xmas special is centred around overcoming the 12 regeneration limit, because it is possible that Matt Smith is not the 11th incarnation (well, he's definitely at least the 12th), but the 13th.

So the rule is that Time Lords can regenerate 12 times (have 13 incarnations), they will then die for real. Looking at the Doctor..

William Hartnell (Original incarnation)

- Regeneration #1

Partick Troughton (Second incarnation)

- Regeneration #2

John Pertwee (Third incarnation)

- Regeneration #3

Tom Baker (Fourth incarnation)

- Regeneration #4

Peter Davison (Fifth incarnation)

- Regeneration #5

Colin Baker (Sixth incarnation)

- Regeneration #6

Sylvester McCoy (Seventh incarnation)

- Regeneration #7

Paul McGann (Eigth incarnation)

- Regeneration #8

John Hurt (Ninth incarnation)

- Regeneration #9

Christopher Eccleston (Tenth incarnation)

- Regeneration #10

David Tennant (Eleventh incarnation)

- Regeneration #11

David Tennant (wait, what? He's already listed right? Yes, but remember he actually regenerated into himself thanks to the severed hand from his 10th regeneration, IMO this actually counts as a regeneration towards his 12) (Twelfth incarnation)

- Regeneration #12

Matt Smith (Thirteenth incarnation)

Making the next regeneration (to Peter Capaldi) the 13th, and breaking the limit.

 

[ManWithNoName]

No.

A) Tennant's aborted regeneration doesn't count.
B) It'll be up for debate about whether McGann regenerating into The War Doctor counts.
C) I love how so, so many things have changed in the canon, but this throwaway line about a limit of 12 has been clung too like nothing else.

 

[Niximus]

No.

A) Tennant's aborted regeneration doesn't count.
B) It'll be up for debate about whether McGann regenerating into The War Doctor counts.
C) I love how so, so many things have changed in the canon, but this throwaway line about a limit of 12 has been clung too like nothing else.

A) I guess we'll see
B) No doubt it will, people debate whether 4 to 5 counts as a real regeneration given he was merging with The Watcher.
C) It is definitely canon

Moffat today confirmed of the Doctor, “He can only regenerate 12 times”, while simultaneously suggesting there has been a miscalculation of how many regenerations he has actually been through.

“I think you should go back to your DVDs and count correctly this time,” said Moffat, “there’s something you’ve all missed.”

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-on-capaldis-costume-regeneration-limit-53937.htm

 

[ManWithNoName]

A) I guess we'll see
B) No doubt it will, people debate whether 4 to 5 counts as a real regeneration given he was merging with The Watcher.
C) It is definitely canon


http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-on-capaldis-costume-regeneration-limit-53937.htm

I'm not saying it's not canon, it's just a bit hilarious. Russell T Davies was terribly amused by it all. So, so many things have been retconned and changed and the like. But THIS is concrete, solid, unmoveable fact.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

This is as good a thread as any to post this. Has anybody noticed that all the Doctor Whos have never had a moustache or beard? Does anyone know whether this is a stipulation set down by the creators of the series? And why is Doctor Who only ever referred to as The Doctor, and never Doctor Who?

Peter Cushing who played Doctor Who in the movie 'Dr Who and the Daleks' had a moustache

 

[ManWithNoName]

Peter Cushing who played Doctor Who in the movie 'Dr Who and the Daleks' had a moustache

We never mention those movies. Never.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Tom Baker had a beard briefly in "The Leisure Hive".

 

[Bryce_Jersey17]

I have a theory in mind for how this could work.

In my mind, Time Lords can control how they age (River Song once mentioned ageing backwards to freak people out - which was used to explain why she looked older when we saw her regenerate compared to when we first saw her when she died). Secondly, being time travellers, they can bugger off for a hundred years or so and return moments after they apparently left. That would mean that say, 7 could look younger, go trotting off around the universe by himself, decide to age a bit in the process, have an adventure with a future version of himself and then return to a more youthful appearance when he returns to his companions, because he chooses to age relative to their ageing so that they feel comfortable.

This was revealed before (I forget the episode but I think the 5th doctor was in it). Female time lords (Time Ladies?) can control their next regeneration's appearance but males can't.

I'm hoping that the Xmas special is centred around overcoming the 12 regeneration limit, because it is possible that Matt Smith is not the 11th incarnation (well, he's definitely at least the 12th), but the 13th.

So the rule is that Time Lords can regenerate 12 times (have 13 incarnations), they will then die for real. Looking at the Doctor..

William Hartnell (Original incarnation)

- Regeneration #1

Partick Troughton (Second incarnation)

- Regeneration #2

John Pertwee (Third incarnation)

- Regeneration #3

Tom Baker (Fourth incarnation)

- Regeneration #4

Peter Davison (Fifth incarnation)

- Regeneration #5

Colin Baker (Sixth incarnation)

- Regeneration #6

Sylvester McCoy (Seventh incarnation)

- Regeneration #7

Paul McGann (Eigth incarnation)

- Regeneration #8

John Hurt (Ninth incarnation)

- Regeneration #9

Christopher Eccleston (Tenth incarnation)

- Regeneration #10

David Tennant (Eleventh incarnation)

- Regeneration #11

David Tennant (wait, what? He's already listed right? Yes, but remember he actually regenerated into himself thanks to the severed hand from his 10th regeneration, IMO this actually counts as a regeneration towards his 12) (Twelfth incarnation)

- Regeneration #12

Matt Smith (Thirteenth incarnation)

Making the next regeneration (to Peter Capaldi) the 13th, and breaking the limit.

I really hate to pop your theory bubble (I do like the theory though! ). In the scene where Tennant explains that 10.5 is the spare regeneration energy but is isn't actually a regen. He is a Meta-Crisis that I'd cross between a time lord and human (Donna)

 

[Niximus]

Beards?

oops pic didn't work

 

[Kram]

C) I love how so, so many things have changed in the canon, but this throwaway line about a limit of 12 has been clung too like nothing else.

lol, that's about it, the show has probably broken continuity over its history more times than I've had hot dinners. Another one is people bothering to try and explain away the faces in The Brain of Morbius when it it pretty obvious that they are pre-Hartnell Doctors. Seriously who cares..

 

[Niximus]

This was revealed before (I forget the episode but I think the 5th doctor was in it). Female time lords (Time Ladies?) can control their next regeneration's appearance but males can't.

I'm not talking about controlling the appearance of the next regeneration, I'm talking about controlling the age they appear to be.

I really hate to pop your theory bubble (I do like the theory though! ). In the scene where Tennant explains that 10.5 is the spare regeneration energy but is isn't actually a regen. He is a Meta-Crisis that I'd cross between a time lord and human (Donna)

I'll have to re-check the script

 

[ManWithNoName]

lol, that's about it, the show has probably broken continuity over its history more times than I've had hot dinners. Another one is people bothering to try and explain away the faces in The Brain of Morbius when it it pretty obvious that they are pre-Hartnell Doctors. Seriously who cares..

You're aware that they were just faces of Production crew members right?

Also in The Three Doctors the Time Lords clearly say "The Doctor's earliest form" referring to Hartnell.

 

[Niximus]

lol, that's about it, the show has probably broken continuity over its history more times than I've had hot dinners. Another one is people bothering to try and explain away the faces in The Brain of Morbius when it it pretty obvious that they are pre-Hartnell Doctors. Seriously who cares..

Which leads into another theory I like (incompatible with the previous though).

There were 8 extra Morbius 'Doctors', meaning that he would have reached the limit with Peter Davison. They could go down that path and explain how he got around it some time, but you could make sense of it and still have Hartnell as the first Doctor.

In this year's finale, Smith says essentially that he is the 11th 'Doctor' but that he hasn't always been 'The Doctor' alluding to John Hurt not being worthy of that title.

They could make it so that this particular Time Lord had 8 previous incarnations, however Hartnell was the first to assume the title 'Doctor'.

 

[Niximus]

I'm going to have to avoid this thread for a few days after the 50th. I'm going to see it at the cinema on the Wednesday.

 

[Northworth]

oh my god oh my god
oh my god
oh
my
god
OHHHHHHH
MYYYYYY
GODDDDDDDD




just mind blowing

 

[ManWithNoName]

oh my god oh my god
oh my god
oh
my
god
OHHHHHHH
MYYYYYY
GODDDDDDDD




just mind blowing

That was pretty much me when I saw McGann.

 

[Northworth]

I'm hoping that the Xmas special is centred around overcoming the 12 regeneration limit, because it is possible that Matt Smith is not the 11th incarnation (well, he's definitely at least the 12th), but the 13th.

So the rule is that Time Lords can regenerate 12 times (have 13 incarnations), they will then die for real. Looking at the Doctor..
.

aren't there more than 12 masters? thus debunking that theory

 

[Northworth]

That was pretty much me when I saw McGann.

he is really good in luther too


and you could really see Idris ELba being a good doctor

 

[Niximus]

aren't there more than 12 masters? thus debunking that theory

The Master used up his regenerations and then started stealing bodies, he was eventually granted a new 12-regeneration cycle.

 

[ManWithNoName]

The Master used up his regenerations and then started stealing bodies, he was eventually granted a new 12-regeneration cycle.

If cycles get "granted" then it might just be that the Doctor can regenerate as much as he wants now the Time Lord's aren't around to maintain these rules.

 

[Niximus]

If cycles get "granted" then it might just be that the Doctor can regenerate as much as he wants now the Time Lord's aren't around to maintain these rules.

I was into that theory for a while, but River gave up her remaining regenerations to save The Doctor and thus couldn't regenerate again. The Master started disintegrating when he first used his regerations, so I think it definitely requires some kind of intervention to grant more.

I'm currently of the belief that Time Lords have enough regeneration energy to regenerate 12 times, that this energy can be 'recharged' but the technology to do this would be on Galifrey and thus currently locked with the rest of the time war.

 

[Northworth]

my conspiracy theory is that there is a connection between the time lords and the weeping angels

the ep with Timothy Dalton as the returning time lord had a middle-aged woman stand behind him in a pose akin to the angels... and the speculation was it was the doctor's mother....

I suspect they will bring the time lords back in some form or another and reset the regenerations