Dons more likely to avoid doping ban, says lawyer

[mxett]

Well it remains to be seen if this particular case is at all relevant to what's happening at Essendon. Very interesting point though.

But at the end of the day, someone has to be held to account, I don't think Essendon should get away with this is, someone has to fall on their sword because there needs to be an example set to stop it from happening again.

Theyve already let 3 staff go

 

[Snake_Baker]

But at the end of the day, someone has to be held to account, I don't think Essendon should get away with this is, someone has to fall on their sword because there needs to be an example set to stop it from happening again.

This is how it should have been handled in the first place.

Now they have set themselves up for a PR debacle.

 

[jerry springer]

funny how its gone from

"wait for the evidence"
To
""Coaches can take what they want"
to
"How do we use every technicality we can find to get out of this mess"


Cheats

 

[Outstanding]

Why are people still arguing about AOD-9604 and all the grey areas surrounding it. They have an invoice for Hexarelin, it has been banned since 2004.

 

[jerry springer]

Why are people still arguing about AOD-9604 and all the grey areas surrounding it. They have an invoice for Hexarelin, it has been banned since 2004.

but,but,but......only the coaches and the president and orange peeling lady were using that

 

[mxett]

funny how its gone from

"wait for the evidence"
To
""Coaches can take what they want"
to
"How do we use every technicality we can find to get out of this mess"


Cheats

Yeah, cheated with non performance enhancing anti obesity drugs that don't work. And even then it was reportedly only 6 players.

If thats cheating what the hell is tanking for draft picks like Carlton seemed to have escaped unscathed from?

 

[mxett]

Why are people still arguing about AOD-9604 and all the grey areas surrounding it. They have an invoice for Hexarelin, it has been banned since 2004.

And of course you have proof players took it

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

If they get away with this, does this mean it's okay for every club to take banned substances?

Yes, as long as these banned substances are not banned.

 

[Messenger]

Enough with the personal to and fro.

 

[hoianbulldog]

If they get away with this, does this mean it's okay for every club to take banned substances?

Yep!

 

[campbell]

And of course you have proof players took it

so can you explain, if the players were not given this substance, why would he club pay for someone elses use of a banned substance?

 

[campbell]

it would some employment contract to have this included in.....

 

[mxett]

Why would they have to?

What does the email between Hird, dank, Reid and Robinson have to do with it?

 

[fleabitten]

Because the final responsibility is with the players, not the club. If the players contacted ASADA to get a clear understanding of the status of any supplement there is no indication that ASADA would have told them AOD was banned for use under clause s0. How do we know this? Because their own website doesn't state it is banned, the report they coproduced with the ACC says it isn't banned, and WADA felt the need to clarify AODs status because of confusion.

If they know the rules, then they would know that it is not permitted because it has not been approved for human consumption. It's not up to ASADA to explain the rules, the onus is on the person taking the substance. Is this substance explicitly banned? No. Okay, has it been approved for human consumption? No. Well, it's not okay to take it.

If the EFC didn't know enough about the rules to be able to work out that what they wanted to take was not permitted, then there is something very wrong. Whether it was incompetence or a deliberate attempt to cheat, they should be punished. The sooner the better because they are looking great on field at the moment. Are we going to wait until the whole season has been compromised before taking action against the cheats?

 

[mxett]

If they know the rules, then they would know that it is not permitted because it has not been approved for human consumption. It's not up to ASADA to explain the rules, the onus is on the person taking the substance. Is this substance explicitly banned? No. Okay, has it been approved for human consumption? No. Well, it's not okay to take it.

If the EFC didn't know enough about the rules to be able to work out that what they wanted to take was not permitted, then there is something very wrong. Whether it was incompetence or a deliberate attempt to cheat, they should be punished. The sooner the better because they are looking great on field at the moment. Are we going to wait until the whole season has been compromised before taking action against the cheats?

You would think if you ask ASaDA about the status of a substance they would let you know the full story. Isnt this their area of expertise?

Anyway, lawyers are circling over this and for good reason

 

[hoianbulldog]

What does the email between Hird, dank, Reid and Robinson have to do with it?

It shows that the players had the opportunity to refuse AOD and refuse signing confidentiality agreements. This would have allowed them to seek guidance from Managers, AFLPA. They chose to sign on regardless despite them knowing that absolute responsibility lies with the Athlete. Let's call it "Poor Governance".

 

[blackshadow]

It shows that the players had the opportunity to refuse AOD and refuse signing confidentiality agreements. This would have allowed them to seek guidance from Managers, AFLPA. They chose to sign on regardless despite them knowing that absolute responsibility lies with the Athlete. Let's call it "Poor Governance".

I'm guessing that the AFLPA will roll out the Nuremberg defence and that defence will be thrown out.

 

[mxett]

It shows that the players had the opportunity to refuse AOD and refuse signing confidentiality agreements. This would have allowed them to seek guidance from Managers, AFLPA. They chose to sign on regardless despite them knowing that absolute responsibility lies with the Athlete. Let's call it "Poor Governance".

However you have no evidence they didnt seek guidance from ASADA

 

[DesertRoo]

We have an invoice for Hexarelin because one of the reasons Dank went 100k over his budget was to buy substances for his own businesses.

That's slanderous, I hope you have evidence for that claim.

 

[Jesse Custer]

That's slanderous, I hope you have evidence for that claim.

What? On this site? You have to be joking.

 

[Chameleon75]

We have an invoice for Hexarelin because one of the reasons Dank went 100k over his budget was to buy substances for his own businesses.

That would be fraud, has this been reported to police?

 

[campbell]

We have an invoice for Hexarelin because one of the reasons Dank went 100k over his budget was to buy substances for his own businesses.

and you have proof of this how?

 

[DesertRoo]

You would think if you ask ASaDA about the status of a substance they would let you know the full story. Isnt this their area of expertise?

Anyway, lawyers are circling over this and for good reason

It's there expertise to work with substances that are approved for human use. How are they meant to know of anything else. If they haven't heard of a substance how can they make a ruling. Therefore Banned.

 

[mxett]

That's slanderous, I hope you have evidence for that claim.

There is a theory floating that Dank was cash strapped, confirmed by Charters who said he stopped supplying Dank with substances because he stopped paying his bills. The age report yesterday said Dank was treating his own players while working with Essendon. Interesting Dank stated he injected Hird with Hexarelin which Hird has allegedly strenuously denied, despite it not being illegal or against WADA. Someone is lying here and for good reason.

 

[mxett]

It's there expertise to work with substances that are approved for human use. How are they meant to know of anything else. If they haven't heard of a substance how can they make a ruling. Therefore Banned.

AOD has been in existence for 10 years. ASADA understand WADA policy better than players. Why is it up to the players to google search supplements. Surely ASADA would be better placed.