Don't think that this high altitude training works!

[Jabso]

I understand Wizard Loans gives them a pretty good deal to go over there (either just gives them the money or a low interest loan or some contra type deal goes on) and also the players chip in.

On an international stage like people have said it's a start. They would build a relationship with the Arizona college football team where they can build things from there.

Whatever happened to the proposed Collingwood-Arsenal deal? I always thought it couldn't go through because Arsenal had a nike deal while we have an Adidas deal. Does anyone know what happened/what is happening with the Essendon - Man U deal?

 

[MarkT]

Growing the brand HAS to start somewhere. You can't just start with a 30 second Superbowl spot.

Logically, it has to help more than doing NOTHING would help. You can call it negligible if you want, but it can't hurt.


7th last year from 15th the year before. That's better than anyone else who's finished that low in recent years. I don't see how anyone can complain about that rate of improvement.

I mean, Richmond and Hawthorn have been down for 3 years now, and they still don't necessarily look like finals contenders. Carlton have won 3 spoons in 5 years.

Compared to that, finishing 7th looks pretty good.

We finished15 in 2005 due to injuries according to our supporters and the club. I lost count of the number of times injuries were brought up at the last AGM. With a full list available and a huge pre season we rose as expected but clearly were not good enough. If the club tries to seel 15th to 7th at the AGM I hope there is a riot. 7th is bad enough as it is but with the players about to exit that we have it is very concerning and when you add to it that we haven’t addressed long running deficiencies in the makeup of the list it is downright poor.

We have not improved we have gone backwards.

If you want to make comparisons to Richmond go ahead but why would you want to take comfort from looking good against a club that has been as poor for as long as Richmond? Likewise Carlton are no basis for comparison. The only relevant comparisons are against the flag contenders. Our short, medium and long term future is in the hands entirely of forthcoming drafts. Given we are not coming off much success that is an indictment on the capabilities of those running the club. They have categorically failed and you keep defending them like they have achieved something. At best they lost 2 grand finals and failed to address the reasons why. At worst they have run the list into ground and now have to out draft everyone else just to tread water in the middle of the ladder.

As for bradning etc, I am all for growing the brand and don’t have a problem with going. To think the trip will have any positive brading benefit is just silly and it isn’t remotely a consideration in going.

 

[MarkT]

mate the amount of clinics the boys do when they are supposed to be having an "off day" is more than you would think! and the facilities they use (wotever team it is) they do actually get coverage around the town and it is known thats we are over there!
yes,the "sellling" of the club over there isnt a reason to go over but i think its better going than not going! and if you carefully read what ive written you wouldnt be saying to me that "winning comes to the list and the coach" because i continually say that goign over there that it helps not "works"!! and i clearly stated that going to the USA will not win a flag (re read what iv written u imbosile) but hey name a negative of going to the US????!!!!

How about you read what I wrote and how about you cut the “we” on a Collingwood board with Geelong listed as your club. PS it's imbecile.

 

[GRANGE_GSM]

How about you read what I wrote and how about you cut the “we” on a Collingwood board with Geelong listed as your club. PS it's imbecile.

haha yeh sorry champ didnt mean "we"....ive read what you wrote 10 times and still struggling to see what your opinion is....

 

[GRANGE_GSM]

How about you read what I wrote and how about you cut the “we” on a Collingwood board with Geelong listed as your club. PS it's imbecile.

didnt know it was a spelling bee cheif!il get my dictionary out when ever replying to you my freind

 

[MarkT]

haha yeh sorry champ didnt mean "we"....ive read what you wrote 10 times and still struggling to see what your opinion is....

This has no marketing or exposure value whatsoever. It has a very probable bonding value, a probable training value with a debated altitude element and it has a definite cost which the club can well afford.

… it is marginal at best but it can’t hurt….

Which part are you struggling with?

 

[MarkT]

didnt know it was a spelling bee cheif!il get my dictionary out when ever replying to you my freind

It’s not but when you call someone an imbecile and talk about their reading ability it would pay to have a clue how to read and what the word actually is.

Forget the dictionary and get a clue or at least don't resort to insults because someone disputes what you made up.

 

[GRANGE_GSM]

It’s not but when you call someone an imbecile and talk about their reading ability it would pay to have a clue how to read and what the word actually is.

Forget the dictionary and get a clue or at least don't resort to insults because someone disputes what you made up.

what i made up??? and please point out what it was that ive made up????
ahh thats right your in the know,your opinion is right and mines wrong! ppffttt its narrow minded people like yourself that make these boards so serious all the time! i dont have an opinion on the arizona trip i just cant find any negatives about it and cant see why collingwood wouldnt do it again and better this time round!

 

[GRANGE_GSM]

Do you honestly think this would get much coverage in the US? Even if it did the number of people seeing any of it that happened to venture to Australia would be minimal at best and the number of those in which it would develop an interest to see a game let alone one involving Collingwood if they happened to remember the name would be somewhere around 0. Even if I am wrong and someone does come to a game there is a 50% probability it will be an away game and Collingwood would get nothing out of it anyway. We might get a few cents if this person has a large family and we crack the odds that it is a home game.

This has no marketing or exposure value whatsoever. It has a very probable bonding value, a probable training value with a debated altitude element and it has a definite cost which the club can well afford.

The amount it achieves can best be summed up with 7th last year which is to say it is marginal at best but it can’t hurt. Winning still comes down to the list and the coach and if we were short of funds I’m much rather spend the money on recruiting and paying out a failed coach but we aren’t short of funds.

ive clearly stated that im in on this part! but the rest of what you say comes across very narrow minded and negative if im not mistaken.. dont have a problem with you views i just think youll find theres more positives than you think! think about the players, option 1:run your arse off at the same track that you have for the last year
option2: go to the states with all your mates,bond,see another country,experience altitude training and use state of the art facilities (yes better than lexus)

i know id take option 2....now put yourslef as a board member/director(whatever),
option 1:same stuff rethinking marketing plans for the start of pre season
option 2:the chance to "sell" the club in the states,get plans/ideas from an elite organisation on the other side of the world and refresh your own organisation ready for the upcoming season.then apply those plans/goals that were witnessed whilst over there..

 

[Coin_Toss]

We finished15 in 2005 due to injuries according to our supporters and the club. I lost count of the number of times injuries were brought up at the last AGM. With a full list available and a huge pre season we rose as expected but clearly were not good enough. If the club tries to seel 15th to 7th at the AGM I hope there is a riot. 7th is bad enough as it is but with the players about to exit that we have it is very concerning and when you add to it that we haven’t addressed long running deficiencies in the makeup of the list it is downright poor.

We have not improved we have gone backwards.

Well said, as usual, MarkT. The way we exited from the finals was a disgrace.
But really, we have an abundance of youthful spring that we shouldn't be worried. Add #8, #10 and whoever else comes good from this draft, then we have a nice mix of classy kids who are not only likeable but can actually play football.

We have gone backwards - past tense. But, if we have to suffer a few more years to get success, then so be it.

As for bradning etc, I am all for growing the brand and don’t have a problem with going. To think the trip will have any positive brading benefit is just silly and it isn’t remotely a consideration in going.

The whole trip was in the players interests, they paid for it out of their own fees, rather than brand the club.

 

[GRANGE_GSM]

the players didnt have to pay to go.its not an all expenses paid trip but still they didnt have to dig into their own pocket!

 

[MarkT]

Not sure about this year but I think they paid something like $5k each last year as a contribution.

 

[GRANGE_GSM]

anyway markT thats all from me.been an enjoyable debate i had fun talking bout the finer points in life.haha! cya mate

 

[piesupreme]

We could go to Falls Creek to do the training, but last time I checked, there isn't one of the most high-tech, world-reknowned training facilities in the world in Falls Creek, and I'm not sure training like it's Rocky IV is really going to be what we need.

Vinnie is right. It's not only the altitude, but also the available facilities. Further, if it has no benefit, you wonder why WADA was considering banning altitude chambers, such as the one built at Lexus.

 

[Pedro]

Not sure about this year but I think they paid something like $5k each last year as a contribution.

http://collingwoodfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=306477

"The official 2006 Collingwood Football Club pre-season training camp in Arizona is being made possible by the generous support of Wizard Home Loans."

 

[Nardz]

Don't think this high altitude training really works.Did they have to go all the way to arizona to waste more of the club's money.I remember earlier this year when the players came back,some sporting pro wrote an article saying that they can achieve the same results going to the highlands of country Victoria.The team took off ok during the start of the season then ran out of puff during the second half of the year.Isn't high altitude training meant to give players extra oxygen to continue through and accelerate performance as time goes by not work the opposite effect like it did this year?Guys your thoughts please!

so i gather you've done extensive research in this, your expertise, to come to this hypothesis?

 

[JAJH]

The boys DO contribute financially towards the trip.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

The boys DO contribute financially towards the trip.

Yeah - Ed has always said this.