Draft Discussions Recovered

[beaver fever]

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What about Tom Lynch developed to play FF, in the same mold as Fevola?

 

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For those that are interested in how things could go for us come draft day I am providing a run down of the players TFLUA has taken for us in the the Big Footy Phantom Draft as well as his write ups:

Pick 8
Hamish Hartlett - Midfielder - 182cm 74kg

With both Vickery and Trengove gone, two KPP's highly rated by me who fit our needs, I turned to the best available. The guy I had at 4 on my rankings was still here, and despite him being a midfielder, I feel you can never have enough, especially elite ones. I believe Hamish has the capacity to become an elite midfielder, and is a perfect fit at Richmond.

I'm a massive rap on Hamish, and love his poise, his pace, and most of all the quality of his disposal. I'd say that his footskills on either side of his body are some of the best in the draft. He not only kicks the ball nicely, but kicks it a long way, and can sneak forward and kick goals too. His positioning around the ground is excellent, and reads the play very well.

Hamish had a tough time coping with a tag throughout the Championships, and could have worked harder to break the tag at times. In saying that, he still performed reasonably well throughout the Championships, but it revealed that possibly a higher work rate/ethic is required. That, plus a few lapses of concentration in kicking are his main weaknesses, but I raet him very, very highly.

Hartlett oozes class, and a midfielder with top class disposal is a welcome addition to the Tigers.

Pick 26
Jordan Roughead - Ruck - 200cm 92kg

A very, very interesting pick here for the Tigers.

After going with Hartlett in the first round, it is clear we're going big in the second, with Rucks and Key Forwards the focus.

Jordan Roughead is the the only Ruckman still available who I rate as worthy of being taken here, and Aaron Cornelius, Mitch Brown, Jordan Lisle and Tom Lynch are all players mentioned in line with his pick.

Cornelius still seems to me, to be a lead up third forward with great hands, but a lack of pace, and not a huge frame to beat a man one out.

Lynch could almost be considered a KP forward if he had two or three extra centimetres on him, but suffers from being a 'tweener'.

There is a lot of conjecture as to whether Lisle translates as a Key Back or Forward at AFL level. I think forward, so I'm steering clear.

Mitch Brown just doesn't tick enough boxes to be taken at 26 for mine, so instead of going big I'm going really big.

Richmond - Pick #26 - Jordan Roughead - Ruck/Key Forward - 199cm, 87kg - North Ballarat Rebels, Vic

Roughead is a mobile Ruckman with a good leap, and good agility. Is very good around the ground, and uses his athleticism to get his hands on the ball around the ground, and be dangerous in the forwardline.

Build is a little bit thin at the moment, but with a season or two in the gym will develop into an imposing athlete, one who will not be beaten easily in the ruck contests or in the air.

Is a little bit in-consistent at times, but in general Roughead is a very solid athlete and footballer. Is a good mark and a nice right foot kick for a big man, and reads the play well, tending to be in the right places around the ground.

Doesn't have express pace, but will be able to keep up with most Ruckmen in the AFL.

A very promising talent, Roughead will bolster Richmond's Ruck division.

Pick 58
Jake Walsh - KP Forward - 196cm 96kg
Has yet to post a detailed write up. Will update once TFLUA posts it.

Pick 70
Liam Jones - KP forward -194 cm, 84 kg

Underaged AIS Scholarship holder who fits a need. Missed most of this year due to injury, and didn't represent his home state (Tasmania) in the U/18 carnival.

Is of good height, got good agility and pace, has a very nice set of hands, and likes to take a 'specky'.

Watched Jones take Clarence Under 17's apart three years ago with 8 goals, and he just screamed future prospect. Very quick, lost his man easily, and was marking everything, both on the lead and in the air. Scholarship holder with Melbourne Grammar if I remember correctly, Jones has too much upside to pass up on at this late pick.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

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What about Tom Lynch developed to play FF, in the same mold as Fevola?

My major concern about Lynch is I think he plays best as a CHB, or as a third tall in the backline, and I think that is where he will play at AFL level too.

He's a bit undersized and I think Roughead to be the best pick.

Will post a detailed write up on Walsh shortly.

 

[peggles]

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TFLUA-Tiger, did u consider liam jones for pick 58?? i see that he was still not picked up yet. what's your view on him?? ( i guess he didnt' play in the carnival due to injury this year so footage is limited) but he's an AIS boy, big forward, great mark. 194+ and underaged. believe there is a highlight clip on bigpond.

i would certainly pick him up at 58 if still available. but i guess your pick walsh is the type i'm looking to get with that pick anyway.

just a suggestion anyhow

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

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TFLUA-Tiger, did u consider liam jones for pick 58?? i see that he was still not picked up yet. what's your view on him?? ( i guess he didnt' play in the carnival due to injury this year so footage is limited) but he's an AIS boy, big forward, great mark. 194+ and underaged. believe there is a highlight clip on bigpond.

i would certainly pick him up at 58 if still available. but i guess your pick walsh is the type i'm looking to get with that pick anyway.

just a suggestion anyhow

As a Tasmanian, I've seen a fair bit of Jones throughout the years, and he was considered.

Think Walsh ticks a few more boxes, but Jones was definitely thought about.

If he's there at the next pick I might just pounce.

What have you got his weight at?

He was an absolute stick, with a great set of hands, good athleticism, a nice leap and a tendency to take a 'specky' or two, but he's fairly light on, and a developmental option, much the same as Walsh, but for different reasons.

 

[peggles]

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As a Tasmanian, I've seen a fair bit of Jones throughout the years, and he was considered.

Think Walsh ticks a few more boxes, but Jones was definitely thought about.

If he's there at the next pick I might just pounce.

What have you got his weight at?

He was an absolute stick, with a great set of hands, good athleticism, a nice leap and a tendency to take a 'specky' or two, but he's fairly light on, and a developmental option, much the same as Walsh, but for different reasons.

unfortunately, since jones didn't play in the carnival, there isn't alot of footage. so i would have no idea what his current weight is.

according to this site

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_...task=DETAIL&articleID=5798792&sectionID=76044

he is 84kg. this i imagine is earlier in the year. so i'd say he would have put on more muscle since then. but anyone who has access to the draft camp results would be able to let us know i'd say

 

[peggles]

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TFLUA-Tiger, good to see that you picked up liam jones with the next pick in the phantom draft...well done

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

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Was always going to.. thought he had the most chance of sliding.

Timed it nicely for once.

Not a bad draft for us really.

I'll do a wrap-up later on if needed.

 

[Toadvine]

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I'd like a wrap if it's not too much trouble TFLUA-Tiger

 

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Would be fairly pleased with draft day if it turns out similar to how you have picked TFLUA, get a classy midfielder first up, then a quality ruck in the second round and 2 prospective KP forwards with the later picks.

Get the feeling though that the last pick might be used on one of the Port boys, probably DeLuca the ruckman, if that happens then I'm guessing CC will use pick 26 to secure a more highly rated KP forward. Perhaps someone like Cournelius or Lisle(even though he is a back, I have read he can play forward as well.)

 

[bigstyletiger]

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Lisle is actually meant to be more of a forward who was tried back this year.

Personally I am thinking that we might go tall with our first pick.

Vickery if he slides or McKernan.

McKernan will give us some potency up forward. He is quick, has buckets for hands and is big. With McKernan in the forward mix JR will get the third best backman and will be much more of a handful.

McKernan can also play CHB or ruck and gives our list a lot more balance.

Coupled with the fact that we have recruited Thomson from Port and Cogs is back we will be in more need of a tall.

I would also be pretty happy if we draft Roughead with our second pick.

Would love to grab one more quality mid but talls take longer to develop and mids are easier to come by.

 

[The Cotch]

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I've gathered a bit of information in recent days from somone 'in the know'. Let me say it will be a VERY interesting draft indeed. Basically this is how the situation currently stands in the top 8. The ones in bold are the mosty likely outcomes.

Melborne- Watts
WCE- Naitanui
Fremantle- Hill
Port- Hartlett or Vickery
Essendon- Rich or Yarran
Carlton- Hurley
Brisbane- Ziebell or Rich
Richmond- Rich, Vickery or Swift

Looking very unlikely Hartlett will fall to us

 

[cormick]

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And even more unlikely Rich will...

 

[cormick]

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I did a mock first round while I wrote an article on the draft, on the weekend;[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Melbourne: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jack Watts[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]West Coast: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Nic Naitanui[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]3)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Fremantle: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Daniel Rich[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]4)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Port Adelaide: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tyrone Vickery[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]5)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Essendon: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jack Ziebell[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]6)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Carlton: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Michael Hurley [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]7)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Brisbane: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Steele Sidebottom[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]8)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Richmond: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hamish Hartlett[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]9)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]North Melbourne: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Shaun McKernan[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]10)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Adelaide: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lewis Johnstone[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]11)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Collingwood: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Chris Yarran[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]12)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sydney: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tom Swift[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]13)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]St Kilda: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jackson Trengove[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]14)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Western Bulldogs: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ayce Cordy (F/S)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]15)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Geelong: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Stephen Hill[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]16)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hawthorn: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sam Blease[/FONT]




I won't put it on the Draft board, as it means very little to anyone, especially seeing as it's only one round, but that's how i see the draft panning out. Although I give Suban a chance at beeing a first-rounder!
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[ize_]

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I've gathered a bit of information in recent days from somone 'in the know'. Let me say it will be a VERY interesting draft indeed. Basically this is how the situation currently stands in the top 8. The ones in bold are the mosty likely outcomes.

Melborne- Watts
WCE- Naitanui
Fremantle- Hill
Port- Hartlett or Vickery
Essendon- Rich or Yarran
Carlton- Hurley
Brisbane- Ziebell or Rich
Richmond- Rich, Vickery or Swift

Looking very unlikely Hartlett will fall to us

Surely if Port don't go for Vickery, and no-one else grabs him like you have predicted, we would be all over him like a rash?

 

[bigstyletiger]

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I think it will be very unlikely if Hill goes top 3. Here was a kid who 4 weeks ago was a priority pick for everybody on BF but since draft camp has shot up. I reckon Freo are just stuffing around. I'm sure the kid can play but overlooking Rich and Rich maybe sliding to us. Don't think so. Also Vickery falling to North. Come on. Vickery is the next Kosi. I would think that after Buddy clubs will be falling over themselves to get their hands on a quality tall.

 

[cormick]

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Dunno what happened there...

 

[The Cotch]

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I think it will be very unlikely if Hill goes top 3. Here was a kid who 4 weeks ago was a priority pick for everybody on BF but since draft camp has shot up. I reckon Freo are just stuffing around. I'm sure the kid can play but overlooking Rich and Rich maybe sliding to us. Don't think so. Also Vickery falling to North. Come on. Vickery is the next Kosi. I would think that after Buddy clubs will be falling over themselves to get their hands on a quality tall.

Thats the thing. It was for Bigfooty. I can tell you now, this whole Hill to Fremantle saga is genuine.

 

[cormick]

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I hope so, cos' it means
a) we can't get him
&
b) One less club is a chance at Ziebell...

 

[The Cotch]

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Surely if Port don't go for Vickery, and no-one else grabs him like you have predicted, we would be all over him like a rash?

You'd think so, but, Swift could be a very very special footballer.

 

[The Cotch]

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I hope so, cos' it means
a) we can't get him
&
b) One less club is a chance at Ziebell...

Cormick, you might be disappointed then mate

 

[cormick]

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Oh yay, another highly rated stick figure with good pace...
Cos' we don't have enough of those...

If we choose Hill over any of (Watts, Rich, NicNat, Hurley, Rusty, Ziebs, Hartlett, Vickery)...which we obviously will have to to get him...I'll...I'll...stutter at Richmond.
Grr!

 

[The Cotch]

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Oh yay, another highly rated stick figure with good pace...
Cos' we don't have enough of those...

If we choose Hill over any of (Watts, Rich, NicNat, Hurley, Rusty, Ziebs, Hartlett, Vickery)...which we obviously will have to to get him...I'll...I'll...stutter at Richmond.
Grr!

Cormick, mustve mis-read. Dont worry, Hill wouldnt be on our radar, and I'm confident he'll be a Docker. I was saying you might be disappointed because I dont think we'll get a look at Ziebell.

 

[bigstyletiger]

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Thats the thing. It was for Bigfooty. I can tell you now, this whole Hill to Fremantle saga is genuine.

Just went through the Hill vs Rich thread on the Freo page and it seems you might be right. Most Freo supporters on BF seem to want Rich but there were some very knowledgeable posts about the benefits of Hill.

Ok so lets say Freo take Hill this opens things right up for us...

 

[cormick]

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Cormick, mustve mis-read. Dont worry, Hill wouldnt be on our radar, and I'm confident he'll be a Docker. I was saying you might be disappointed because I dont think we'll get a look at Ziebell.

Ah that's okay then. I'm pretty resigned to the fact we won't get Ziebell.

Just went through the Hill vs Rich thread on the Freo page and it seems you might be right. Most Freo supporters on BF seem to want Rich but there were some very knowledgeable posts about the benefits of Hill.

Ok so lets say Freo take Hill this opens things right up for us...

Yeah, and the stupid pricks turned my arguements into an anti-Richmond recruiting thread for a short time. Like they can talk...