List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

Spoiler

Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

online.fliphtml5.com

Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

Spoiler

Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

Spoiler

 

[Proeagle]

I think people best start wrapping their heads around the idea we are taking picks 1 & 2 to the draft and will be selecting Duursma and CDT.

Come to peace with it now, then you can enjoy the night.

If we dont pick CDT and he becomes the star he could be, Clarke and co will never hear the end of it. I agree, these 2 are almost certainties, unless Essendon offers something awesome for pick 2.

 

[random260]

If we dont pick CDT and he becomes the star he could be, Clarke and co will never hear the end of it. I agree, these 2 are almost certainties, unless Essendon offers something awesome for pick 2.

No offence. But if the best CV since Rowell slips through us and turns out to be a star then that's sackable right there.

The recruiting team should front the board and be sacked on the spot. You can choose to blindly disregard a CV of his caliber but you shall be sacked if it falls waste side.

There is ZERO ****ing excuse for the scenario where we skip dyson and he turns out to be a star. NONE ZIP. Fired on the spot. Ideally blacklisted from the club

I prefer my recruiters actually judge talent based on output.

I still have faith and believe in the dots

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I understand your point, but here’s the issue with what you’ve posted - if we miss out on one of Evans/Banfield purely because we don’t have the list spot to match, then we’re filling that spot with an even later rookie draft selection

All we needed to do was move Cripps to the rookie list just as Sydney have done with Rampe - by doing so we create an extra main list spot at the expense of a rookie list opening.

If there’s no bid on one, or both, of Evans/Banfield then all the bed wetting over the magical 6th spot will have been pointless. But it’s a potential problem that had a relatively easy solution which is why I’ve been so annoyed by it

TLDR - a 6th selection in the main draft is going to be superior to a rookie draft selection with the only difference being a 2 year v 1 year contract

Banfield or Evans won't make or break our rebuild. They're attractive in so far as we might not have to pay their draft value to get them onto our list, which at the point of the draft they're going to be selected, value is very subjective.

That said, my suspicion is that the club has a good idea of who gets bid on where it if at all.

I do agree with you, the 6th main list spot adds flexibility. If we don't use i in the ND, we can fill it with a rookie contract. But I think the melts here are unjustified.

My prediction: our pick 34 gets traded, Williams gets bid on in the mid-30s by Geelong and we match, Banfield gets bid on very late, Evans & Walley get rookied.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Naitanui had a running vertical leap of 102cm, so if Duff man missed the top 10 in the 2025 combine, then Naitanui has 20cm on him before you take into account any height and reach advantage Naitanui has.

Obviously, it's not relevant when you can't time his jumps effectively like Bailey Williams.

Duffman coined and minted as his board nickname

 

[Farmer Lister]

My preference for a slider is generally beef, but I don't mind fried chicken as a change. Hopefully they come with fries.

Pulled pork or gtfo

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

random260 mate if you don't crash BigFooty with the rant to end all rants when we skip Sharp with 1 and 2, you'll need to delete your account.

Duursma at 1, CDT at 2, random260 goes full Adolf in Downfall ... Then we draft Sharp with 13

 

[stylish]

Trade 13 and 34 to Carlton for pick 9 then trade pick 9 and WCE 2026 2nd or Saints 2026 2nd to Essendon for pick 5 (or pick 6 if they won't take Sharp). Take Duursma, CDT and Sharp and everyone can look back on this thread and think about how much time they have wasted arguing about taking CDT or Sharp.

So pick 13, 34 and a 2nd round pick in 2026 for pick 5. Interesting

 

[Forward Press]

No offence. But if the best CV since Rowell slips through us and turns out to be a star then that's sackable right there.

If this was true, then wouldn't he be rated consensus pick 1 like Matt Rowell? What am I missing?

 

[bzparkes]

If this was true, then wouldn't he be rated consensus pick 1 like Matt Rowell? What am I missing?

A hard on for one player, no matter what.

 

[Shueygod]

If this was true, then wouldn't he be rated consensus pick 1 like Matt Rowell? What am I missing?

No mate, when Sharp is picked at 9+ in spite of having “the best CV since Rowell” even though he couldn’t go back to back AA unlike a few just last year.

Our recruiters passing him up at 2 will look like fools.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

https://archive.is/NeVW9

West Coast Eagles CEO Don Pyke says keeping picks one and two at AFL Draft is club’s main priority

“The strong likelihood is we will take one and two unless something unbelievable came out with one of those offers. You never say never, but at this point we get the opportunity to take the best two young men in the draft and that’s what we’ll look to do,” Pyke said at the club’s announcement that Allianz Australia had signed a four-year sponsorship deal.
“We get to pick the top two. If one of those lads happens to be linked to one of the Academies, there will be a matching issue, or if it’s a father-son. We get to pick the crop, which is not a situation we’ve been in often. The first two is a significant part of what we want to do going forward.”
“We’re working through what that looks like. We’ve got 34 and 41. If we’re able to bundle some picks and maybe move forward, that is a strategy we’ll look at.
“We’ve got one, two and 13. We think the availability of the players at 13 will still be really strong, and we can get another quality young player.”

Good to hear that we plan to do some bidding.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

https://archive.is/NeVW9

West Coast Eagles CEO Don Pyke says keeping picks one and two at AFL Draft is club’s main priority

“The strong likelihood is we will take one and two unless something unbelievable came out with one of those offers. You never say never, but at this point we get the opportunity to take the best two young men in the draft and that’s what we’ll look to do,” Pyke said at the club’s announcement that Allianz Australia had signed a four-year sponsorship deal.
“We get to pick the top two. If one of those lads happens to be linked to one of the Academies, there will be a matching issue, or if it’s a father-son. We get to pick the crop, which is not a situation we’ve been in often. The first two is a significant part of what we want to do going forward.”
“We’re working through what that looks like. We’ve got 34 and 41. If we’re able to bundle some picks and maybe move forward, that is a strategy we’ll look at.
“We’ve got one, two and 13. We think the availability of the players at 13 will still be really strong, and we can get another quality young player.”

I read into this statement a few things.

1. Carlton are on notice we might bid for Dean at 2

2. The likelihood of moving 13 up is not high and Blues might be playing hard to get with our bluff. Damn well bid on Dean after Uwland but before Patterson.

3. Suns - we will be bidding early. We want your players and if they are not available, then our picks 34+41 will come in fast.

4. 34+41 could be bundled and traded for something like the Suns 28

5. There are targets at 13 we like

 

[kokedoodledoo]

I wonder if bidding is more beneficial to us on draft night vs trading the picks away to the NGA/Academy/FS teams. I know they’re not officially exclusive but does always seem that way

Is trading with Gold Coast going to benefit us more or less than bidding on their players early?

Same goes with Carlton

 

[MrWoollie]

Bird in the hand though. Dons could make the big dance now they have a wildcard round .

Future picks are always worth less as you have to wait for them.

That's only a part of it.

More important is the variability risk. You're trading out a certainty (pick X) for an uncertainty of a pick that could be 1 (Boy, you look like a genius) to 18 (what a knob of an effort).

Next year's F1 is a bit different as clubs are;
1. placing less value on this years crop of draftees and therefore picks,
2. placing more than usual value on F1 picks due to the draft being considered significantly better
3. pre Tassie compromised drafts.

It really comes down to who wants who and how badly.

 

[MrWoollie]

Just think Cripps is clogging space now. He’s a great finisher but gets burnt and his fumbles cost us. We need crumbing forwards, we’ve got too many lead up non kpp

agree with every bit of this. Just looking on AFL tables and on any metric his average is trending down, if not falling off a cliff.
Biggest downside nowadays is the lack of tackling and pressure acts. Used to be his point of difference within the team. Ryan and Rioli could do the flashy stuff, Cripps would keep the pressure on and spoil the opposition attempts to gain easy exits. No longer.

Best value for money trade we have made... ever. But grandfather time waits for no man. Now he's just taking up development minutes from someone else.

 

[ThePuma #9]

We're talking in the context of Naitanui coaching and his ruck advice being kind of useless when advising orthodox ruck talents like Duff-Tytler.

I've long been critical of CDT being described as a unicorn, and he's been positively compared to Luke Jackson and even somehow Jeremy Cameron. But any comparison to Naitanui taken out of context is obviously a step too far?

Fair shake of the sauce bottle, there plenty Nic can impart despite the height difference and jumping skill.

What angles to approach the centre bounce, what to look for from an opponent or your own player roving the ball, how to read you opponents timing, gentle hands on the tap….. etc etc

Nic was just as damaging when he couldn’t jump anymore. He evolved his ruck craft and would use his body, timing and opponents mistiming to be an effective tap ruckman.

Whether he turns out to be a good coach or not I have zero clue but to say he would be useless teaching someone such as CDT is just baloney.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

All we needed to do was move Cripps to the rookie list just as Sydney have done with Rampe - by doing so we create an extra main list spot at the expense of a rookie list opening.

Remember when GCS did this with Greenwood and then next thing we know Greenwood is playing R1 in a North jumper.

No offence. But if the best CV since Rowell slips through us and turns out to be a star then that's sackable right there.

The recruiting team should front the board and be sacked on the spot. You can choose to blindly disregard a CV of his caliber but you shall be sacked if it falls waste side.

There is ZERO ****ing excuse for the scenario where we skip dyson and he turns out to be a star. NONE ZIP. Fired on the spot. Ideally blacklisted from the club

I prefer my recruiters actually judge talent based on output.

I still have faith and believe in the dots

Why about a scenario where Sharp becomes a star but so do the player we choose?

For all this talk of Sharp being such a star it’s strange that Twomey has his range starting at Essendon’s pick 5, don’t you think?

 

[MaxHunt]

Most of the reports I have seen talk about the depth of this draft being low, more than the quality at the top end. Twomey mentioned this about two months ago, Dylan Alexander does a few pieces on this and rates this draft in line with 2023. What he does mention though is that there is a higher number of Utility / Multi Line players in the top end this year compared to 2023 which was more midfielder heavy. This I think has put a cloud on people's perceptions because some players you can't pin exactly what their role will be at the next level (CDT as case example).

Adding to this there has been a significant shift over the past two years in the fitness and work rate required at U18's plus more of a focus on flexibility of draftees across positions driven by recruiting managers. Running ability is now a key component of being a top draftee and out of interest go see how many of the projected top 10 picks ranked in the top 10 of the 2km time trial in previous years. It's rarely more than 1 or 2 while this year its 5 if you put Schubert in that bracket.

Adding to this, is that 4 of the top 10 will be Academy / FS tied which has skewed the outlook but this could end up the same next year, especially if Cochrane gets NGA approved (even worse it will be the top 2 picks on current performance). However, the new draft rules requiring two picks to match should reduce the burden and open up the draft.

Honestly, I like the look of this draft and think there is some amazing potential up to around pick 28 with some gems that could fall up to pick 40.

I won't go into details on all of them but for context to the above;

• Duursma is a perfect fit for the modern game and ticks all the boxes. Some say he wouldn't be top 5 in past three years but assessed on current game style would argue as a lock in top 3 each year.
• On the flip side Greeves and Sharp would be almost instant locks in top 10 past 5 years based on statistics except now the game has changed and has led to major uncertainty in this style of player. (Not agreeing with this by the way just presenting the argument)
• Patterson could be the player of this draft and I think got moved a bit too much between defence and half forward. As a pure mid all year could have been in pick 1 discussion, the sidestep and vision is just awesome.
• Thredgold could be an absolute steal when considered in a few years' time. Have not seen much vision but huge upside if he can get the disposal sorted when on the move.
• NHH could be anything and honestly like the look of him more than FOS from last year especially after the wet weather game
• Dovaston has posted probably the best season for a small forward and looks an absolute weapon
• Schubert ticks the boxes of the modern key forward who will outwork the opposition defence and great field kicking
• Beau Addinsal and Sam Swadling putting up ball pig numbers in both U18's and VFL/WAFL and not even featured in the first round most times because disposal and hurt factor is now far more heavily assessed than years gone by

Anyways just my two cents but I am also a major optimist so glass half full and all that

I may have misheard, but I'm pretty sure Dylan said WD would have been right in the mix with Laylor if he was in last year's draft.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Do we get "WA priority access" which really means we don't get priority access at all?

Unsure if this is a thread meme I have missed as I spend precisely zero minutes in the draft thread where possible, but if he’s in our NGA we’d be eligible to match a bid at Pick 1 now that they’ve changed the rules back.

And if it is a thread meme, **** yeah nice one.

 

[ThePuma #9]

No offence. But if the best CV since Rowell slips through us and turns out to be a star then that's sackable right there.

The recruiting team should front the board and be sacked on the spot. You can choose to blindly disregard a CV of his caliber but you shall be sacked if it falls waste side.

There is ZERO ****ing excuse for the scenario where we skip dyson and he turns out to be a star. NONE ZIP. Fired on the spot. Ideally blacklisted from the club

I prefer my recruiters actually judge talent based on output.

I still have faith and believe in the dots

What if the player they pick instead of Dyson also turns out to be a star?

What then?

 

[Bender_]

Unsure if this is a thread meme I have missed as I spend precisely zero minutes in the draft thread where possible, but if he’s in our NGA we’d be eligible to match a bid at Pick 1 now that they’ve changed the rules back.

And if it is a thread meme, **** yeah nice one.

No not a meme at all - I thought NSW/Qld academy kids were allowed to be matched at any point but everyone else's academy kids could only be matched after a certain point in the draft or something, like there is a legitimate difference in the rules.

Is/was this not an actual thing?

 

[bzparkes]

No not a meme at all - I thought NSW/Qld academy kids were allowed to be matched at any point but everyone else's academy kids could only be matched after a certain point in the draft or something, like there is a legitimate difference in the rules.

Is/was this not an actual thing?

It hasn't been a thing since 2023.

 

[ThePuma #9]

So I have a genuine query here hopefully someone can answer.

Say we bundle up 34 & 41 on the night for a higher pick and then a bid comes in for say Williams at 36. Since we have list spots we can still match but just go into deficit?

If this is the case then after a 10 percent discount the points needed would be 280 points down from 317 points.

The difference currently between picks 1 and 2 are

Pick 1 (3000) to pick 2 (2481) points = 519 points

Pick 2 (2481) to Pick 3 (2178) points = 303 points

So if my maths is correct and they don’t change the points value index next year we could technically match a bid on Tylar Williams at 36 and still not have it affect either pick 1 or 2 next year if we were to finish 17th or 18th

Is this correct or am I missing something?

 

[Bender_]

It hasn't been a thing since 2023.

Okay that's one draft lol

 

[eaglevision]

Since we have list spots we can still match but just go into deficit?

Yes.