List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[shooshka]

Suppose that's fair.

Fwiw even if we bid at 2 on Dean Carlton 100% match. So worst case it just brings out pick in anyway.

Yep win/win (assuming we rate dean and that Carlton do) for us really.

We get a trade for 9, or 13 comes into 11 (open pool, obviously 12 or more likely 15 on the night).

Where the talent drops off in this draft is a big talking point, but it’s definitely 8-15 range for the open draft (depending on who rates certain players) and moving even a couple of picks higher has value.

 

[ghostbat12]

Was actually Kevin, not sure why I said Mike

Didn't realise Kevin Sheedy was that into it.

 

[ghostbat12]

Suppose that's fair.

Fwiw even if we bid at 2 on Dean Carlton 100% match. So worst case it just brings out pick in anyway.

id prefer we just rated him at 2. no doubt Carlton think thats what we are doing.

 

[dinnaz]

Was Clayton Oliver a reach?
You’re allowing phantom drafts to control the narrative.

Yes and no.
Utterly dominated over a 10 week stretch after milling around for the first 6 weeks or so of the year.
Ballsy call but was top tier good.

Robey just hasn't reached the same heights and for a lesser period.

 

[uptheWC]

Thats not what I said at all LMAO

I said its unlikely Sharp gest to Dunkley level, which is top few players in the comp level. Thats the level I think he has to get to in order to be a good pick, as the type of player he is can be found later in drafts.

Hewett/whoever else we have wasnt a top 2 pick, and those types of players are harder to find later in drafts as clubs value explosive/damaging players higher

Jesus dude

What you are doing is using reasoning to why we shouldn’t take Sharp that you refuse to apply to players like CDT or Duursma. If Sharp has to get to the level of one of the top few players in the league to be a good pick, what level would the likes of CDT need to reach to be justified as a good pick? Are they exempt needing to actually be good footballers just because they have athletic talent?

 

[Monocle]

Kevin Sheehan was talking up Sharp at our pick. Rates him as a top 3 pick in the open pool.

Whoops I meant Kevin

Old Shifter every year talks about a kid and says he is in the Top 10 ........... trouble is that he says that about 20 kids.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Was actually Kevin, not sure why I said Mike

Mike…..Mike Walker

 

[Byron_Clanger]

The Zero Hanger boys had their second crack at their Mock Draft and they had a touch of fun with it this time around before they do their third and final Mock just before the draft.

Just a little curveball mock draft and a breath of fresh air from the standard Duursma/Duff-Tytler stuff.

 

[txbyhull]

The Zero Hanger boys had their second crack at their Mock Draft and they had a touch of fun with it this time around before they do their third and final Mock just before the draft.

Just a little curveball mock draft and a breath of fresh air from the standard Duursma/Duff-Tytler stuff.

Currently breezing through it. North trade was really interesting, would hate to think that we wouldn’t immediately be jumping into that situation offering up a truck load

 

[dinnaz]

Old Shifter every year talks about a kid and says he is in the Top 10 ........... trouble is that he says that about 20 kids.

I respect him holding his tongue, & trying to spruce everyone up.

 

[stallon]

What you are doing is using reasoning to why we shouldn’t take Sharp that you refuse to apply to players like CDT or Duursma. If Sharp has to get to the level of one of the top few players in the league to be a good pick, what level would the likes of CDT need to reach to be justified as a good pick? Are they exempt needing to actually be good footballers just because they have athletic talent?

Im looking at likely return on investment and how valuable their abilities are.

Sharp- defensively-minded, relatively unspectacular mid is the sort of player clubs can find later in drafts. His theoretical ceiling (Josh Dunkley) is elite, but reaching it requires everything to go right for him in his development, I put it as highly unlikely.
Then for CDT, his mobility, speed, and endurance is far rarer. Even if he’s a bit short for a ruckman, his unique attribute set gives him a higher likelihood of becoming a powerful weapon in his role.

Robey is the exact mould of player clubs value incredibly highly, they are the game winners, the A-grade superstars. I dont think I have to argue why I put Robey above Sharp.

Essentially:
Sharp - safe pick, not rare/unique, unlikely to be top tier elite imo
CDT- riskier pick, but his upside is far superior(imo) to any other player in the draft. Even if he doesnt reach that full potential hes still got weapons that make him a very awkward player to play against.
Robey- Big body impact mid/fwd who can break open a game - handy if Harley is tagged to have another player for opposition to worry about.
Duursma has a safer floor than Sharp imo, as a pure outside player, but his upside is up there with CDT in that he could be anything, nobody is arguing he should be pick 1 however, you did mention him though.

I cant justify pick 2 for Sharp based off this, not when CDT and Robey are available.

As I said before though, I wont melt about it as I would understand the logic if the club decided to go for Sharp.

 

[txbyhull]

I don’t really see any of the knocks on Sharp. He’s not an elite athlete by any means, frankly he’s not even a plus athlete (his endurance is criminally underrated), but he’s shown at SANFL level he can hold up against men already at 18, not including multiple pre seasons worth of training.

He’s the best contested player in the draft, by far the most defensively accountable of the other big mids, can go forward and impact the scoreboard, has all the intangibles you could possibly ask for. His kicking isn’t fantastic but he’s not a butcher, his production is the most consistent and consistently high level.

You can knock him all you want for ceiling, but we’ve already got Harley and Hewett who can win games off their boot, and we’re more than able to pick up a Phillipou, Hibbens-Hargreaves etc with 13. Not that they’re the same calibre of player as a CDT or a Robey, but at a certain point you can’t keep adding offensively geared pieces and just hope you luck out into a high floor facilitator. Sharp I’m fairly certain would come in and beat out Dev within a year, and basically not be dropped for the rest of his career.

I understand concerns about the game going away from one-paced inside accumulators, but Sharp isn’t that. He IS capable of spread and playing in transition. He’s not Robey, Grlj, or Cumming, but he’s one of the only blokes available this year who can back the other way just as hard as he goes forward.

 

[ThePuma #9]

We could put a bid on Dean at 1,2 3, 4 or 5 and with any of those options both 9 and 11 are swallowed up with a later pick coming back.

This improves the Eagles pick 13 by two spots but a trade to 9 improves it four spots so how about we offer Carlton


Pick 9 (1355 points)

for

Pick 13 & 41 (1300 points)

Initially they lose 55 points but part of this arrangement is the Eagles bid on Uwland, Patterson and Annable with 2,3 & 4 and take our second pick at 5 which means a few things.

1. The earliest bid for Dean would be from the Tigers at Pick 6.

2. If the Eagles bid on the above players then picks 15, 17, 18, 23, 24, 28, 29, 36, 44, 51 & 52 are swallowed up.

The trade would then be more like

Pick 12 (1140)

for

Pick 16 (924)
Pick 36 (317)

Blues make 100 quick points and don’t have to match Dean until pick 6 at the earliest which will only cost them 1,494 points.

They’d still have to give up 14 & 16 for Dean but would also get back pick 30 and Carlton’s later pick 42 & 54 also come in quite a few places.

Would this work or would we need to dangle 34 to make them accept?

 

[uptheWC]

Im looking at likely return on investment and how valuable their abilities are.

Sharp- defensively-minded, relatively unspectacular mid is the sort of player clubs can find later in drafts. His theoretical ceiling (Josh Dunkley) is elite, but reaching it requires everything to go right for him in his development, I put it as highly unlikely.
Then for CDT, his mobility, speed, and endurance is far rarer. Even if he’s a bit short for a ruckman, his unique attribute set gives him a higher likelihood of becoming a powerful weapon in his role.

Robey is the exact mould of player clubs value incredibly highly, they are the game winners, the A-grade superstars. I dont think I have to argue why I put Robey above Sharp.

Essentially:
Sharp - safe pick, not rare/unique, unlikely to be top tier elite imo
CDT- riskier pick, but his upside is far superior(imo) to any other player in the draft. Even if he doesnt reach that full potential hes still got weapons that make him a very awkward player to play against.
Robey- Big body impact mid/fwd who can break open a game - handy if Harley is tagged to have another player for opposition to worry about.
Duursma has a safer floor than Sharp imo, as a pure outside player, but his upside is up there with CDT in that he could be anything, nobody is arguing he should be pick 1 however, you did mention him though.

I cant justify pick 2 for Sharp based off this, not when CDT and Robey are available.

As I said before though, I wont melt about it as I would understand the logic if the club decided to go for Sharp.

I don’t necessarily agree you can find a player like Sharp later in the draft. Yes it’s happened before, but he’s a ball winning inside midfielder first and an elite tackler second, not the other way around. As has been discussed about pure inside mids, they need to be elite at it to not be a liability of sorts. If found later in the draft, they’re obviously less likely to become elite.

With CDT, his attributes that make him much rarer don’t make them more likely to translate to AFL level.
Duursma and Robey’s play styles make them potentially elite, but also make them suspect to flopping. While I say Sharp’s ball winning is his main draw card, if that doesn’t show its potential at the next level he still has his defensive attributes, something not seen with Duursma or Robey. Won’t be as exciting if he turns out as primarily a tackling mid, but it’s far from a bust.

I’d argue Sharp has the highest floor of the bunch with a ceiling that is more likely to be reached even if not quite as high as the others, however Duursma clearly has the most upside which is why he is unanimously ranked no.1

 

[WCEswift]

The Zero Hanger boys had their second crack at their Mock Draft and they had a touch of fun with it this time around before they do their third and final Mock just before the draft.

Just a little curveball mock draft and a breath of fresh air from the standard Duursma/Duff-Tytler stuff.

Wouldnt be upset if we walked away with that.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

The Zero Hanger boys had their second crack at their Mock Draft and they had a touch of fun with it this time around before they do their third and final Mock just before the draft.

Just a little curveball mock draft and a breath of fresh air from the standard Duursma/Duff-Tytler stuff.

Meh for us.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Im looking at likely return on investment and how valuable their abilities are.

Sharp- defensively-minded, relatively unspectacular mid is the sort of player clubs can find later in drafts. His theoretical ceiling (Josh Dunkley) is elite, but reaching it requires everything to go right for him in his development, I put it as highly unlikely.
Then for CDT, his mobility, speed, and endurance is far rarer. Even if he’s a bit short for a ruckman, his unique attribute set gives him a higher likelihood of becoming a powerful weapon in his role.

Robey is the exact mould of player clubs value incredibly highly, they are the game winners, the A-grade superstars. I dont think I have to argue why I put Robey above Sharp.

Essentially:
Sharp - safe pick, not rare/unique, unlikely to be top tier elite imo
CDT- riskier pick, but his upside is far superior(imo) to any other player in the draft. Even if he doesnt reach that full potential hes still got weapons that make him a very awkward player to play against.
Robey- Big body impact mid/fwd who can break open a game - handy if Harley is tagged to have another player for opposition to worry about.
Duursma has a safer floor than Sharp imo, as a pure outside player, but his upside is up there with CDT in that he could be anything, nobody is arguing he should be pick 1 however, you did mention him though.

I cant justify pick 2 for Sharp based off this, not when CDT and Robey are available.

As I said before though, I wont melt about it as I would understand the logic if the club decided to go for Sharp.

If sharp isn’t relying on his athleticism to be elite, I dare say he’s a greater chance of fulfilling his potential.

 

[FKASC]

How much longer can Sharp be debated (when we gonna pick CDT anyway)

 

[eaglevision]

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Essendon looking at Sharp and Cumming at 5,6 if this holds FFS.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

The Zero Hanger boys had their second crack at their Mock Draft and they had a touch of fun with it this time around before they do their third and final Mock just before the draft.

Just a little curveball mock draft and a breath of fresh air from the standard Duursma/Duff-Tytler stuff.

Hmmm. Think I'd prefer the Duursma and CDT combo.

 

[Barrybran]

Hmmm. Think I'd prefer the Duursma and CDT combo.

I don't really understand the Robey talk for us. I think there is a world where Hewett eventually settles as a half forward chopping out in the midfield but is Robey really the guy that is going to push Hewett out?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

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Essendon looking at Sharp and Cumming at 5,6 if this holds FFS.

Open pool rankings

1. Duursma
2. CDT
3. Robey
4. X Taylor
5. Sharp
6. Cumming
7. Schubert
8. Grlj
9. Farrow
10. Lindsay
11. Phillipou
12. Greeves
13. M Marsh
14. Dovaston
15. O Taylor
16. NHH
17. Barker
18. Ludowyke
19. Latrelle Pickett
20. Nairn
21. Thredgold

From this i don't see how we can stay at 2, or take CDT at 2 if we stay there (if we do we need to take a mid so its Robey or Sharp). If we do take CDT at 2 we are left looking for mids at pick 13 and there are none. Even if jump up to 9 or 11 trading with the Blues i don't see any that will make a difference.

We have to try talk Essendon into trade 2 and 13 for 5 and 6.

 

[Barrybran]

Open pool rankings

1. Duursma
2. CDT
3. Robey
4. X Taylor
5. Sharp
6. Cumming
7. Schubert
8. Grlj
9. Farrow
10. Lindsay
11. Phillipou
12. Greeves
13. M Marsh
14. Dovaston
15. O Taylor
16. NHH
17. Barker
18. Ludowyke
19. Latrelle Pickett
20. Nairn
21. Thredgold

From this i don't see how we can stay at 2, or take CDT at 2 if we stay there. If we do that we are left looking for mids at pick 13 and there are none. Even if jump up to 9 or 11 trading with the Blues i don't see any.

We have to try talk Essendon into trade 2 and 13 for 5 and 6.

We're snookered because who in their right mind is going to give up 3 + 4, 5 + 6 or 7 + 8 for pick 2?

I'm looking at Carlton's pick 9 as potentially a circuit breaker. 2 + 9 for 5, 6 and parts would be a lot more palatable if I'm an Essendon fan. But then why would Carlton do that? What's in it for them?

It comes back to us being snookered.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We're snookered because who in their right mind is going to give up 3 + 4, 5 + 6 or 7 + 8 for pick 2?

I'm looking at Carlton's pick 9 as potentially a circuit breaker. 2 + 9 for 5, 6 and parts would be a lot more palatable if I'm an Essendon fan. But then why would Carlton do that? What's in it for them?

It comes back to us being snookered.

2 and 13 for 5 and 6 is a reasonably fair trade, especially if shuffle later picks for point for Essendon.



They only do it if they have a hard on for CDT or Robey though as they know neither of them are falling to 5.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We're snookered because who in their right mind is going to give up 3 + 4, 5 + 6 or 7 + 8 for pick 2?

I'm looking at Carlton's pick 9 as potentially a circuit breaker. 2 + 9 for 5, 6 and parts would be a lot more palatable if I'm an Essendon fan. But then why would Carlton do that? What's in it for them?

It comes back to us being snookered.

1 duursma
2 cumming.

CDT remains on the board. Tigers might but will likely go Robey grjl/taylor

Dons will take CDT and grjl/Taylor/sharp

Then dees will take Shubert no doubt and one of sharp/grjl/farrow/Lindsay

Trade up form 13 for blues pick 9 take sharp/dovaston.

Duursma allow Tmac into the midfield more and eventually he would also roll through.

Cumming best balanced mid. Tigers or dons will take him otherwise...mhe ain't sliding

Sharp if he slides bonus or dovaston is Cripps immediate replacement.