List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Barrybran]

Carlton will want a future 1 sounds like Adelaide are keen so they are in the box seat for 9. Pretty annoying how the trade period ended up as I thought we’d be shoe ins for pick 7.

What are Adelaide offering with said future first?

 

[uncleoatmeal]

What are Adelaide offering with said future first?

No idea, but that’ll get Carlton’s interest.

 

[Choogler]

Probably already been proposed but a potential three way trade:

Eagles
Give: 2 and 13
Get: 5 and 9

Essendon
Give: 5 and 21
Get: 2

Carlton
Give : 9
Get: 13 and 21

Eagles lose first choice of the second tier (CDT, Robey, Sharp, Cumming) but gurantee one of them while upgrading 9. Essendon give up 21 in potential bid range for their NGA to have first choice of the second tier. Carlton slide back but get more points for Dean or a handy pick.

No way. We may have once been, but we are no longer the WCE Benevolent Society

This is how bad that deal is:

WC lose 411 points (equal to Pick 32) - most unhappy
Essendon lose 35 points (Pick 53) - happy
Carlton gain 446 points (Pick 31) - ecstatic

Are you a closet Carlton supporter?

 

[mattyc75]

Sausage Gossage and Scotty had Duursma on this morning. Interview starts at 38:20 for people who don't want to wait around all day for SEN to edit their own version of the interview.

Apparently he's already mates with Maric, Hutchinson and Archer Reid as well as Harley so he's got no worries about moving over.

Where does gossage find the time AND be a real estate agent???

 

[mattyc75]

Sharp would be 8th or later last year, Smillie is a superior player in the same mould. I think in ‘23 he slides in ahead of Tholstrup and Gothard but can’t see him being a better prospect than even Curtin who was a reach at 9

Smillie is straight line faster, I think sharp has him beat for IQ, quick hands, tackling and defensive work

 

[Choogler]

We literally need to delist 1 more player to accommodate potential bids on Williams, Banfield and Evans. Don't want to make a choice of only 2 of them. Getting nervous that we don't have the foresight to get this done.
I'd personally take Banfield & Evans out of the 3 of them, but the decision might be taken out of our hands since Williams seems likely to be the first to attract a bid.

I just finished watching highlights of Williams and he looks impressive. Some have us taking Dovaston with our pick 13 if available but I'd be happy just to put some faith in Williams to develop as that small forward and take someone else with that Pick 13

 

[Peptide Pig]

Sharp had a better u18 year than Smillie

Against lesser opposition in this weak draft class. Noted he had a good underage year and has dabbled in the SANFL but it’s a big step up from state league, especially if he is already closer to his ceiling than most as widely predicted.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So you dont think there is a world where McCarthy is a midfielder full time next year, leaving us a distributor sized hole in our d50 that Farrow would instantly fill? (im putting Duursma on a wing primarily in season 1)
Or are you happy with Ginbey/Starcevich/Duggan distributing from D50?

Then it doesnt matter if Farrow becomes a mid later on, ideally he would have that in him but if not at least he would be filling a big need at hbf, while McCarthy fills a huge need in the midfield while the likes of Duursma develops as a transition player that can play stoppages

Just comparing having McCarthy in the middle with Farrow at hbf VS getting a Poo/Barker though the midfield with McCarthy at hbf.
McCarthy at hbf would help us more immediately, and imo is not any worse long term

We do not need Farrow. Full stop.

Duursma will be pushing from R1 but will best start in his first couple of years on a hbf

Allan should be ready after a big pre-season and he should not be thrown midfield but start on a hbf. Not sure he is a midfielder but has skills as a running defender

McCarthy has already shown that we have a great ball user off the hbf

Ginbey is showing he is a really good 3rd tall defender and can provide run off the hbf

Hough can play lock down defender but with Starcevich in, Hough has shown he can play running defender off hbf

Dewar has shown he can be the speedy ball mover off hbf

Duggan loves the hbf but his constant turnover means he needs to be safe passing to other. He gets selected through being the last captain standing

Baker is good off the hbf (so long as he does not have to make anything like a difficult pass) but should be utilised as a defensive forward and we need leadership there and we need Owies freed up to play WAFL

Johnston played hbf in Beagles

Banfield has played that role and could fill in



Let me place a stake in the ground and say we do not need Farrow

I added my previous post to give more context.

I guess the question comes back to you. How many HBF with possible midfield do you want to draft?

I believe Allan need to be given a sustained run off the HBF and I do see Duursma being set up to succeed needing a HBF not the wing. This is what happened to Daicos, to McKercher, to Sheezel, etc. Add to that Hough and Ginbey can play the role, how many do you want recruit to play HBF.

Now is there a world where McCarthy becomes a mid. Yes. But I ask when has he played that role over a sustained period? Or are you just saying hbf with midfield potential yet again.

 

[Hook461123]

I just finished watching highlights of Williams and he looks impressive. Some have us taking Dovaston with our pick 13 if available but I'd be happy just to put some faith in Williams to develop as that small forward and take someone else with that Pick 13

Williams looks good in play. Fast feet and agile. Lot of good side steps, however not a lot of goal kicking in the highlights. It worries me a little that we don't seem to have any goal kicking small forwards, of which Dovaston is one.

Others that have watched him play more than me, does he have the ability to create goals from nothing? Or is more of a goal assist, link up forward type of player?

 

[Knifey Spoony]

No way. We may have once been, but we are no longer the WCE Benevolent Society

This is how bad that deal is:

WC lose 411 points (equal to Pick 32) - most unhappy
Essendon lose 35 points (Pick 53) - happy
Carlton gain 446 points (Pick 31) - ecstatic

Are you a closet Carlton supporter?

Oooft.

I mean, that's one way to look at it.

In this scenario WC may get Duursma, Sharp and then a better prospect at pick 9 (perhaps a Schubert) than someone lesser at pick 13 if we were to just take Sharp at two.

Points are great, but they only tell part of the story.

 

[Barrybran]

Oooft.

I mean, that's one way to look at it.

In this scenario WC may get Duursma, Sharp and then a better prospect at pick 9 (perhaps a Schubert) than someone lesser at pick 13 if we were to just take Sharp at two.

Points are great, but they only tell part of the story.

I'd be pushing for pick 6 from Essendon and giving them 9 instead.

WCE
OUT: 2, 13
IN: 5, 6

ESS
OUT: 5, 6, 30
IN: 2, 9

CAR
OUT: 9
IN: 13, 30

Carlton comes out ahead on points but where this may or may not work for them is the pick they get back from the Dean bid. Not a deal break by any means as there will be some decent options available to them.

	Pick returned	Pick returned
Bid at	Holding 9 & 11	Holding 11 & 13
5	16	23
6	14	20
7	12	17
8	11	15

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Is stumpf a better option given he's had a year of development at VFL.? And would he likely get picked up in the draft or rookie. I feel he is the type of player clubs will look at given the shallow nature of key position stocks in this draft

Only had the 1 vfl game, was mainly coates league as an overager. But he's on the younger side and was dominant.

Athletic beast and decent footballer, my query is on why didn't he get picked up in mid season draft?

So on that, not sure he would be ahead.

Bryce Sanders the other I really like, has a good Athletic profile and good footballer.

Obviously if Curtin can get back to last year in the way he moved etc, he's a gun.

 

[Choogler]

Oooft.

I mean, that's one way to look at it.

In this scenario WC may get Duursma, Sharp and then a better prospect at pick 9 (perhaps a Schubert) than someone lesser at pick 13 if we were to just take Sharp at two.

Points are great, but they only tell part of the story.

You still don't want to be giving up points to trade away pick 2 and benefit another club when all you end up with is someone you could have taken at 2. If we were gaining picks or points, it would be a different story!

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Probably already been proposed but a potential three way trade:

Eagles
Give: 2 and 13
Get: 5 and 9

Essendon
Give: 5 and 21
Get: 2

Carlton
Give : 9
Get: 13 and 21

Eagles lose first choice of the second tier (CDT, Robey, Sharp, Cumming) but gurantee one of them while upgrading 9. Essendon give up 21 in potential bid range for their NGA to have first choice of the second tier. Carlton slide back but get more points for Dean or a handy pick.

That's how we get Sharp n Dovaston

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Only had the 1 vfl game, was mainly coates league as an overager. But he's on the younger side and was dominant.

Athletic beast and decent footballer, my query is on why didn't he get picked up in mid season draft?

So on that, not sure he would be ahead.

Bryce Sanders the other I really like, has a good Athletic profile and good footballer.

Obviously if Curtin can get back to last year in the way he moved etc, he's a gun.

Mmm thought he played much more in the VFL. Rookie then?

 

[stallon]

I added my previous post to give more context.

I guess the question comes back to you. How many HBF with possible midfield do you want to draft?

We dont necessarily have our half back line completed is my take, and Farrow gets us closer to it at worst, at best hes a midfielder.
Yes we have probably over-committed to getting half back types, but none of them really have top tier foot skills(other than McCarthy who I want in the middle).
If the club is happy to be more about metres gained than chasing kick accuracy(may well be the case, sounds like it would fit Minis plan) from d50 then what we have is great

I believe Allan need to be given a sustained run off the HBF and I do see Duursma being set up to succeed needing a HBF not the wing. This is what happened to Daicos, to McKercher, to Sheezel, etc. Add to that Hough and Ginbey can play the role, how many do you want recruit to play HBF.

Now is there a world where McCarthy becomes a mid. Yes. But I ask when has he played that role over a sustained period? Or are you just saying hbf with midfield potential yet again.

I like McCarthy more as a mid than as a HBF, I thought he looked way more damaging, and we need a player like McCarthy with genuine speed and foot skills in the middle anyway, it seems a perfect fit.

Does the club actually see Allan as a hbf? Starcevich any chance of midfield time? McCarthy mid or def? Would Duursma actually start off half back? Does Duggan stay in d50?

Some things we just dont know at this stage

tldr: we have enough half backs but we dont have Farrow's foot skills

 

[Elite Pete]

 

[twce13]

You still don't want to be giving up points to trade away pick 2 and benefit another club when all you end up with is someone you could have taken at 2. If we were gaining picks or points, it would be a different story!

You realize those points mean fk all unless you need them to match yeah ?

If we see a flat ranking between 2 and 5, but have 9 and 13 in a different tier then the club will do it without a doubt. Them losing imaginary afl points won’t be an issue.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Probably already been proposed but a potential three way trade:

Eagles
Give: 2 and 13
Get: 5 and 9

Essendon
Give: 5 and 21
Get: 2

Carlton
Give : 9
Get: 13 and 21

Eagles lose first choice of the second tier (CDT, Robey, Sharp, Cumming) but gurantee one of them while upgrading 9. Essendon give up 21 in potential bid range for their NGA to have first choice of the second tier. Carlton slide back but get more points for Dean or a handy pick.

Rather just guarantee we get the guy we want with 2 and then just see what falls to 13

Feels like trading for the sake of it. Potentially risking who we want and can definitely get for an upgrade of 13 to 9 (where the same player might very well be available)

 

[SAweagle]

Work just gave me a new laptop yesterday. Will end up against a wall on the 20th if we pass on Sharp at any pick other than 1 and 2. Passing at 2 will make me mad, but i get why they might so i'm prepared. Worst would be trading down to 5 and 6 then passing on him twice.....

Toys will be hurled viciously out of the cot, dummys will be venomously ejected and the baby will exit concurrently with the bathwater if Dyson Leviticus Sharps name is not called out by the West Coast Eagles on draft night.

 

[mehow2g]

Robey seems like a guy who will get the most out of himself which to me is a safe pick, given his growth the ceiling is unknown but he will hit the ceiling.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

They only just found out that Charlie is Drew's son and they're scrambling.

 

[rebel23]

Our NGAs this year look pretty average... I wouldn't commit to any if I was the club.
our list spots can be taken by better ranked players.

If Banfield is not bid on then he would be the only one that is interesting... And even he doesn't look massively appealing

 

[Weshi]

Rather just guarantee we get the guy we want with 2 and then just see what falls to 13

Feels like trading for the sake of it. Potentially risking who we want and can definitely get for an upgrade of 13 to 9 (where the same player might very well be available)

We may be happy with 2 or 3 players that we consider at a similar level so why not do a trade if some team is keen!

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Our NGAs this year look pretty average... I wouldn't commit to any if I was the club.
our list spots can be taken by better ranked players.

If Banfield is not bid on then he would be the only one that is interesting... And even he doesn't look massively appealing

They don't have to be a Daicos level pickup to be a worthwhile FS or NGA