List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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[txbyhull]

If we did take CDT at 2, would people be okay with Greeves at 13?

Similar mould to Sharp. Possibly even less athletic but more physically developed. Can't argue with his production though.

I wouldn't hate it.

Really poor defensive application. Wouldn’t be drafting as it’s just another bloke that only wants to go forward and won’t stop it leaking out the back of stoppage every 5 seconds

Edit:leaking

 

[Jimmae]

Are we certain you can't trade a pick back to us? I assume all bets are off once the night starts.

How about 9 and 11 for 2, 34, 53, 58?

Lots of laughs reacts, no actual discussion...

You have 1 F/S, 3 academy, and you're probably only paying points on one (37 onwards are zero points to match), with 41 arguably being enough to do so due to the limited midfield scope and current foot skills of your candidates once at AFL level.

You're all complaining about the options available at 2 in this draft and the risks and ceilings associated with each, even reaching as far down Grijl, who has even more flaws.

Some of you are talking about players at 13 (likely 17 in the final order) who will not be there.

Would you prefer one of Sharp and Robey and a punt at the end of the second round, or two of Greeves, Grijl, Lindsay, Marsh, Farrow, Schubert, and Hibbens-Hargreaves?

 

[stallon]

I’m not as down on CDT as others but I don’t want to draft him. My biggest concern with him is that if we take him, why on earth did we bother drafting and pumping games into Archer Reid?

He was best available tbh, as apparently we had Archer rated in the teens for that draft.

In a few years Archer and CDT as a combo int he ruck sounds pretty good tbh, they can both work in the same side.
Waterman and Shanahan as the main KPFs, with Archer/CDT doing ruck/fwd
It still fits, its only if we are interested in the likes of Walsh or Van Rooyen as WA ruckmen to draft in the next couple of years that it stops making sense

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Lots of laughs reacts, no actual discussion...

You have 1 F/S, 3 academy, and you're probably only paying points on one (37 onwards are zero points to match), with 41 arguably being enough to do so due to the limited midfield scope and current foot skills of your candidates once at AFL level.

You're all complaining about the options available at 2 in this draft and the risks and ceilings associated with each, even reaching as far down Grijl, who has even more flaws.

Some of you are talking about players at 13 (likely 17 in the final order) who will not be there.

Would you prefer one of Sharp and Robey and a punt at the end of the second round, or two of Greeves, Grijl, Lindsay, Marsh, Farrow, Schubert, and Hibbens-Hargreaves?

Given the flatness of the draft it's a bold statement to rule out too many players at 13.

 

[Keys]

Lots of laughs reacts, no actual discussion...

You have 1 F/S, 3 academy, and you're probably only paying points on one (37 onwards are zero points to match), with 41 arguably being enough to do so due to the limited midfield scope and current foot skills of your candidates once at AFL level.

You're all complaining about the options available at 2 in this draft and the risks and ceilings associated with each, even reaching as far down Grijl, who has even more flaws.

Some of you are talking about players at 13 (likely 17 in the final order) who will not be there.

Would you prefer one of Sharp and Robey and a punt at the end of the second round, or two of Greeves, Grijl, Lindsay, Marsh, Farrow, Schubert, and Hibbens-Hargreaves?

If you had a couple of days to read through the literal thousands of posts on this board about splitting picks then you’d see that the general consensus here is that picks 9 and 11 would be too far back. Some posters have talked about 7 and 8 off Melbourne being outside where we’d want to be so you won’t get much support here for 9 and 11

Sharp and Cumming are the two most here would like if we split pick 2 with some also liking Schubert as an option. Those players look unlikely to last until pick 9 which is why your suggestion isn’t receiving much attention

Pick 9 (or 11) is of interest but more as a trade up from 13 using 34 and 41. Whether that fits with Carlton’s strategy around matching a bid for Dean and moving picks into next year for Walker whilst also having a live R1 pick this year I wouldn’t know

 

[txbyhull]

Lots of laughs reacts, no actual discussion...

You have 1 F/S, 3 academy, and you're probably only paying points on one (37 onwards are zero points to match), with 41 arguably being enough to do so due to the limited midfield scope and current foot skills of your candidates once at AFL level.

This is true. For my 2c I think we try to keep 41 and move current pick 34, project personally that 41 to sit right around late 30s by the time it is live. Guarantees the ability to match a bid on 1 early selection inside 37. Don't think even given his late season form that Banfield gets bid on in the first 2 rounds.

You're all complaining about the options available at 2 in this draft and the risks and ceilings associated with each, even reaching as far down Grijl, who has even more flaws.

The general consensus I'd posit is that we don't want CDT and do want Sharp or Robey. The main crux of the issue is whether at 2 it is viable to draft for list need rather than ceiling. I think that we will be sticking and picking at 2, and even reaching for Sharp, should a trade down into the mid top 10 not be viable. The proposed 2 and 13 for 5 and 6 for example.

Some of you are talking about players at 13 (likely 17 in the final order) who will not be there.

Would you prefer one of Sharp and Robey and a punt at the end of the second round, or two of Greeves, Grijl, Lindsay, Marsh, Farrow, Schubert, and Hibbens-Hargreaves?

The former. Given we draft Duursma at 1, I see us as having drafted the only elite talent in the draft, so I'd have us picking up Sharp with 2 as a list need and future important piece for a functioning midfield. As you have brought up, the draft this year is filled with flawed prospects.

For one reason or another most of those players do not fit at all in our side. Greeves lacks the defensive application to be our big bodied mid, Grlj we could use, Lindsay while a slightly better kick is an 18 year old version of what Tom McCarthy has been brought in for, Marsh is an 18 year old Waterman, Farrow is a slightly better Bo Allan, Schubert we could use but would take time away from A. Reid likely, and Hibbins-Hargreaves we could use but I don't think we have the development in place to maximise his skill set when he is already inconsistent and has mentality questions.

"How about 9 and 11 for 2, 34, 53, 58?" Would leave us with a draft hand of 1, 9, 11, 13, 41. That leaves us on the night with 1, and likely 13, 15, and 17. We could bid on Addinsall with one of those picks, but the reason we would trade out of a top 2 pick would be to have multiple chances at drafting positions of need, of which cannot be filled correctly in that range.

You see where the laugh reacts come from I hope? For definite mid propsects you have Greeves, Addinsall, and then a long gap towards Oudshoorn-Bennier, Murray, Coulson, Onley etc who are all projected to go mid to late 2nd round.

That would be an absolutely terrible trade for us, given we are now in a position both rebuild-wise and list management-wise to need to be taking 1 or 2 elite talents per draft rather than the 5 or 6 solid players like we did last year.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

For people who want to see how Duursma fares against grown men here are his VFL highlights for Casey.





Reminds me of very early years Fyfe when he was all skinny arms and legs and won't be breaking tackles anytime soon. Can be anything after a couple pre-season and builds a frame.

 

[Jimmae]

Some posters have talked about 7 and 8 off Melbourne being outside where we’d want to be so you won’t get much support here for 9 and 11

Sharp and Cumming are the two most here would like if we split pick 2 with some also liking Schubert as an option. Those players look unlikely to last until pick 9 which is why your suggestion isn’t receiving much attention

7 and 8 has you giving a lot more back, Cumming is probably the only one you'd maybe get access to at 7. You'd be trading into a position right behind Essendon, who have an even greater need for stoppage mid stars.

Schubert is a massive reach in that range as well, I even consider him a reach at our picks, but you all seem to love him.

For one reason or another most of those players do not fit at all in our side. Greeves lacks the defensive application to be our big bodied mid, Grlj we could use, Lindsay while a slightly better kick is an 18 year old version of what Tom McCarthy has been brought in for, Marsh is an 18 year old Waterman, Farrow is a slightly better Bo Allan, Schubert we could use but would take time away from A. Reid likely, and Hibbins-Hargreaves we could use but I don't think we have the development in place to maximise his skill set when he is already inconsistent and has mentality questions.

"How about 9 and 11 for 2, 34, 53, 58?" Would leave us with a draft hand of 1, 9, 11, 13, 41. That leaves us on the night with 1, and likely 13, 15, and 17. We could bid on Addinsall with one of those picks, but the reason we would trade out of a top 2 pick would be to have multiple chances at drafting positions of need, of which cannot be filled correctly in that range.

I liken Greeves more to Darcy Fogarty or even De Goey, and he would split time with Reid, who should not be played behind the ball if his tank is an issue (he is already overbuilt IMO). I think he'd compliment your setup very well. If he leans up and improves his mobility, then he's a bulldozer for you in the middle, but take advantage of his slide when he is genuinely capable of doing damage both at stoppages and up forward.

Marsh is far more mobile overall than Waterman, and could still be a tall mid or a star defender, he's got so much scope and reads the game well. Farrow is a fair call but I threw the WA boy in anyway.

If I were picking for you, I'd be angling for Grijl, Greeves, and Hibbens-Hargreaves, then you're maybe picking up another of those 3 right after, or alternatively Dovaston or even Ludowyke if the knee is fine.

I think that density of talent is a better outcome for you.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For people who want to see how Duursma fares against grown men here are his VFL highlights for Casey.





Reminds me of very early years Fyfe when he was all skinny arms and legs and won't be breaking tackles anytime soon. Can be anything after a couple pre-season and builds a frame.

How come some are not that excited about this guy? Some of that kicking is elite, he cracks in when he has to, looks to have pace and a great step....and looks like can play pretty much anywhere

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

I’m of the opinion that it should be highest ceiling with top 3 picks, not drafting for needs. If we want Sharp we should be trading down. Dont overthink it with the first 2 picks and just take the two best talents.

And what is CDT's ceiling? Nobody seems to have any idea. A ruck that can't jump and isn't even the best in his age group, a competent tall forward of which we are stacked for, or an oversized midfielder? It's a riskier pick than just taking the best pure mid, that's for sure.

 

[Corkintheocean]

The fact that no one on here wants CDT leads me to believe he's going to end up being the player of the draft.

 

[twce13]

Cooper Duff-Tytler Draft Profile

Calder Cannons prospect Cooper Duff-Tytler projects as a high-upside tall with rare athleticism and skill for a player his size.

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This talks about him without using the word unicorn.




Reads to me like he's kind of in the Luke Jackson or Tim English mould where the actual ruck work is not a main feature but they are able to outplay their direct opponent through being faster and more agile around the ground.

Luke Jackson's U18 year was in a different world compared to CDT. He was legitimately dominant. CDT has not been this at all.

Tim English perhaps in these sense of getting around the ground. Here's the thing though, Tim English went pick 19, not pick 2. And he has almost 10cm on CDT.

this reads that CDT can get around the ground well. Again, waiting for a reason he should be taken 2. Because such a high position for a ruckman (not even a pure one) surely needs to be justified. Once again its a lot of words without anyone actually justifying why he should be a top 2 talent.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Once again its a lot of words without anyone actually justifying why he should be a top 2 talent.

He's Victorian, that's it

 

[stallon]

Lots of laughs reacts, no actual discussion...

You have 1 F/S, 3 academy, and you're probably only paying points on one (37 onwards are zero points to match), with 41 arguably being enough to do so due to the limited midfield scope and current foot skills of your candidates once at AFL level.

You're all complaining about the options available at 2 in this draft and the risks and ceilings associated with each, even reaching as far down Grijl, who has even more flaws.

Some of you are talking about players at 13 (likely 17 in the final order) who will not be there.

Would you prefer one of Sharp and Robey and a punt at the end of the second round, or two of Greeves, Grijl, Lindsay, Marsh, Farrow, Schubert, and Hibbens-Hargreaves?

We are looking at things like 2+13 for 5+6+change, or 2+shrapnel for 7+8 being fair deals

9+11 is too far back, thats like 13+16 after bids. Not a good deal for pick 2 let alone pick 2 plus all our later points lol

 

[txbyhull]

7 and 8 has you giving a lot more back, Cumming is probably the only one you'd maybe get access to at 7. You'd be trading into a position right behind Essendon, who have an even greater need for stoppage mid stars.

I don’t think we should be trading for 7 and 8, I think we should be trading for 5 and 6. 7 and 8 I agree is too far out of the range of our required players in Sharp and Cumming. I’d happily give up all of our picks bar 1 and 41, and 58 for 5, 6, and future steak knives. A swap of F2 for STK F2 for instance.

Schubert is a massive reach in that range as well, I even consider him a reach at our picks, but you all seem to love him.

Because he’s the most sure-thing tall in the draft that’s not tied to Carlton? Xavier Taylor for this instance I see as a hybrid defender. CDT don’t even get me started.

I liken Greeves more to Darcy Fogarty or even De Goey, and he would split time with Reid, who should not be played behind the ball if his tank is an issue (he is already overbuilt IMO).

We don’t need someone like that pretty much at all. We’ve already got a multitude of players that will split time between mid and fwd. Whether that’s a flank or a genuine marking option and f50 contest winner I don’t really care, that’s the nitty gritty draft picks we get into in 2028.

I think he'd compliment your setup very well. If he leans up and improves his mobility, then he's a bulldozer for you in the middle, but take advantage of his slide when he is genuinely capable of doing damage both at stoppages and up forward.

As I said, extremely poor defensive application. We need a big body mid at the coal face to be defensively accountable and release our other prized mids. Greeves does his best work in space and bursting out. A one-way player. Not at all what we need. Got too many passengers going back toward goal already.

Marsh is far more mobile overall than Waterman, and could still be a tall mid or a star defender, he's got so much scope and reads the game well.

Again, a luxury pick at this stage in our rebuild.

Farrow is a fair call but I threw the WA boy in anyway.

If we didn’t just bring in Starcevich I’d be taking him if he makes it to 13.

If I were picking for you, I'd be angling for Grijl, Greeves, and Hibbens-Hargreaves, then you're maybe picking up another of those 3 right after, or alternatively Dovaston or even Ludowyke if the knee is fine.

Grlj we could use but doesn’t at all solve our issues in the middle. He’d just be an immediate upgrade on what Chesser offered us. Greeves as I outlined absolutely not, HH too many concerns over his inconsistency. See him with a similar draft to Reid, I think he’ll slip and be a great player in the right situation as he’s excellent by hand and clearly got the footy smarts, but we aren’t the right situation. Dovaston I’d pick up only concerned that he’s a metro boy, Ludowyke no need. If we take a tall kpf it’ll be because they’re better than Shanahan or Reid.

I think that density of talent is a better outcome for you.

We think the opposite. Quality over quantity at this stage. The gap is too big between Sharp and Cumming with that 5/6 double pick as compared to what we’d get even at 7/8 or especially 9/11

 

[stallon]

We think the opposite. Quality over quantity at this stage. The gap is too big between Sharp and Cumming with that 5/6 double pick as compared to what we’d get even at 7/8 or especially 9/11

Exactly, we are after quality over quantity.

We have drafted so many kids, and replaced so much of the list. Top picks only, with NGA and f/s to fill out our depth.
I know why fans of other clubs dont see this, as they dont know the state of our list even remotely, but thats really where we are at

We realistically have enough from just f/s and NGA to have role players at a minimum all over the ground, with a few very good or better players in there, just need a few more stars

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Luke Jackson's U18 year was in a different world compared to CDT. He was legitimately dominant. CDT has not been this at all.

Jackson averaged fewer disposals, marks and inside 50s playing colts than CDT averaged playing in the boys league (more disposals and tackles though). Their stats in the national U18s were very similar, same disposal average, CDT had more marks and kicked 4 goals (to Jackson's 0) but Jackson had more hitouts and clearances.

 

[Bradis]

I think CDT is going to be a very good player and one that will in a few years create headaches for opposition teams. I think of him more in the Tom De Koning

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Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

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Career

Season

Last 5

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8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

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CL

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HO

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8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

Mold than Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

24

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

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M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

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0.3

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K

3.3

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5.0

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M

1.5

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G

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but much better at ground level. He will compete in the ruck but not give you the best first possession, however his strength will be in open play around the ground where is height and agility will create mismatch through the centre corridor or create turnover through intercept down the lines. Geelong has always had a love for this type of player over the past 15 years. I won't be upset if we draft him (and if he was rated say 7-10 I think there wouldn't be anywhere near the concern), however like many here I would love if we could get two ball winning midfielders into the side (We have been starved for too long).

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Where did all Russian CDT bots come from?

 

[flamingEMBERS]

For people who want to see how Duursma fares against grown men here are his VFL highlights for Casey.





Reminds me of very early years Fyfe when he was all skinny arms and legs and won't be breaking tackles anytime soon. Can be anything after a couple pre-season and builds a frame.

Pale as buggary. Get him in that west coast sun ASAP

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

No to Grlj. Not enough vowels.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

ShanaHANDS will be clear over CDT as a forward of the future. This isn’t because I don’t rate CDT it’s just that Jobe is the

 

[WCE777]

For people who want to see how Duursma fares against grown men here are his VFL highlights for Casey.





Reminds me of very early years Fyfe when he was all skinny arms and legs and won't be breaking tackles anytime soon. Can be anything after a couple pre-season and builds a frame.

All his attributes are great, but they are all outside transition.
He has good skills, very good footy IQ, big upside.
I have been 1 who thinks he is an outside transition player from early in the season and he has improved as the year has progressed.
If we take Duursma and he ends up a big bodied mid in time, that is the bonus.
He is always getting into space and reading the play really well, but he is not an inside mid.
I have come around to us taking him and am excited to see what he can brings.
He is the type of player that you need support in the middle for to express his attributes which are his transition.

 

[woosha24]

ShanaHANDS will be clear over CDT as a forward of the future. This isn’t because I don’t rate CDT it’s just that Jobe is the

When Shanahan find outs where Gov hid the club's tube of Grippo he's gonna rip sides to pieces.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

When Shanahan find outs where Gov hid the club's tube of Grippo he's gonna rip sides to pieces.

Just get him Lynchy's glove.

It's a sacred relic but I'm sure it'll be OK.