List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Barrybran]

Thanks for this!

Running through a Mock for the fun of it Gold Coast will lose all of its picks if Uwland and Patterson had bids placed at 2&5

Makes for an interesting option as I rate Beau Addinsal as one of the more balanced mids in this years group and could be available at our pick 34. It's also amazing how many picks get wiped on the way in this draft under the new system. I have first round going 23 picks and third round done by pick 54.

I assumed that we would secure Evans and Banfield at later picks but effectively they are open to some interesting options.

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Nice effort. No Farrow though?

Also, would we hold 13 and take Dovaston or attempt to trade up to one of Melbourne's picks? (13 + F2 for 7 + F3?)

 

[Bradis]

Nice effort. No Farrow though?

Also, would we hold 13 and take Dovaston or attempt to trade up to one of Melbourne's picks? (13 + F2 for 7 + F3?)

Had him in earlier but must have changed my mind and then forgot him, just did a quick re-run then and updated (*Updated original post as well)

With regards to trading up I think there is a definite chance there if we see Cumming sliding as per below but it's so hard to tell in that 7-13 space as depends on what each club is looking for.

Rumour is that Richmond are keen on Grlj and I think Melbourne would be happy sliding a touch as they have a Langford and Lindsay from last year and could be keen on Dovaston.

 

[flyinghi64]

How come some are not that excited about this guy? Some of that kicking is elite, he cracks in when he has to, looks to have pace and a great step....and looks like can play pretty much anywhere

100% and he did play everywhere in those clips except fwd50 where you don't want him, you want him delivering it there.
Has a bit of Fyfe about him in his marking and cracking in and also a bit of The Lizard with his run.
Some of those 40-50m passes, wow that is what we need.
Yep, after watching those clips I am on board with keeping 1 for him.

How badly would Melbourne want that no1 Pick

 

[CountryLad]

I mean you make some valid points in the preamble to this but don’t also act like Sharp wouldn’t tear the WAFL a new one

Sam Cumming mate. 25 disposals 3 goals and would stick 6 tackles in BOG effort before debuting the next week in the AFL.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Jackson averaged fewer disposals, marks and inside 50s playing colts than CDT averaged playing in the boys league (more disposals and tackles though). Their stats in the national U18s were very similar, same disposal average, CDT had more marks and kicked 4 goals (to Jackson's 0) but Jackson had more hitouts and clearances.

Jackson averaged 37 hit outs to cdt 14 at champs level…

 

[WCEswift]

a lot of chest marks making a highlight reel

 

[Happy Mastenator]

How come some are not that excited about this guy? Some of that kicking is elite, he cracks in when he has to, looks to have pace and a great step....and looks like can play pretty much anywhere

I was anti duursma early doors but he’s won me over. He could be anything. See a lot of Fyfe and Bont. Of course needs a lot to go right to get there but has a real pathway to be that

 

[woosha24]

a lot of chest marks making a highlight reel

Watched it and gotta say, my opinion is reaffirmed.

Good athleticism, puts himself in the right spots up forward, protects the drop of the ball well, but his ruckwork is nothing to write home about and he isnt bringing anything to the table that we really need right now. Looks like Bailey 2.0.

Sorry, but pass.

 

[CountryLad]

Thanks for posting that clip.

It's a good reminder for all the CDT lovers that tell us that he reminds of them of Luke Jackson.

There are at least three significant points of difference between LJ and CDT:

1. One can take an overhead contested mark.
2. One can jump.
3. One wins ruck knocks and feeds his midfielders.

There are more than those three aspects of the game that distinguish the strengths and weakness of the two players, but thats the three most critical points of difference.

CDT does all of those things in his highlights package too and that’s just his state as opposed to Jackson’s year highlights.

Contested marks, hitouts to advantage, and that raw athleticism that both possess.

I agree there are some differences between the players and to say that CDT is going to be the next Jackson would be a massive statement.

I do think CDT in this forum gets probably a tough time however. As opposed to maybe getting an easy time from some “experts” on the East Coast.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Remember when that Carlton poster came in and complained we weren’t taking his shithouse offer seriously. That was a fun day.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

CDT does all of those things in his highlights package too and that’s just his state as opposed to Jackson’s year highlights.

Contested marks, hitouts to advantage, and that raw athleticism that both possess.

I agree there are some differences between the players and to say that CDT is going to be the next Jackson would be a massive statement.

I do think CDT in this forum gets probably a tough time however. As opposed to maybe getting an easy time from some “experts” on the East Coast.

What I see from those videos is that Jackson is much more agile and the speed of reaction is there. That’s the important attribute that can set a big guy apart. Nic Nat had it as well. Just don’t see it too that level from cdt

 

[CountryLad]

Jackson averaged 37 hit outs to cdt 14 at champs level…

How much time did Jackson spend in the ruck compared to CDT?
I would agree that Jackson was a better ruck prospect but I don’t think your use of stats here is fair.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Alright, which one of you is Bella Lewis?

It's you isn't it random260

Eagles' co-captain is looking at finals and beyond - to the men's draft

Bella Lewis will be sitting on West Coast's table at the AFL draft as a crucial part of their draft team

www.afl.com.au

 

[Barrybran]

Alright, which one of you is Bella Lewis?

It's you isn't it random260

Eagles' co-captain is looking at finals and beyond - to the men's draft

Bella Lewis will be sitting on West Coast's table at the AFL draft as a crucial part of their draft team

www.afl.com.au

This is a pretty cool story

 

[Eastern Rangers]

How much time did Jackson spend in the ruck compared to CDT?
I would agree that Jackson was a better ruck prospect but I don’t think your use of stats here is fair.

Jamieson was WA's other ruck in 2019 Champs.

 

[TOA.]

Thanks for posting that clip.

It's a good reminder for all the CDT lovers that tell us that he reminds of them of Luke Jackson.

There are at least three significant points of difference between LJ and CDT:

1. One can take an overhead contested mark.
2. One can jump.
3. One wins ruck knocks and feeds his midfielders.

There are more than those three aspects of the game that distinguish the strengths and weakness of the two players, but thats the three most critical points of difference.

But does CDT do things that Jackson doesn't? I've only seen clips but CDT seems much more composed with the ball and a far better user. Also more natural winning it in general play (Jackson is more like NicNat in that he wins it at clearances but less in general play). Appreciate these are not necessarily traits needed in a ruck but very nice to have.

 

[nameless]

Throwing a spanner in the works - do we need an inside mid or do we just need the one's we've got to get better?

This is a 2min job of me throwing together all the positions I can see our current list (+ NGA/FS) fulfilling:

Med/Small lockdown Def:

Starcevich

Cole

Hough

Grego

Duggan

Johnston

Ginbey

Running Def:

McCarthy

Maric

Duggan

Allan

Dewar

Baker

Ginbey

Key Position Def

Edwards

Brock

Young

Bazzo

Ginbey

Wing / Outside Mids:

Maric

McCarthy

Duggan

Allan

Davis

Dewar

Hutchinson

Banfield

Inside Mids:

Reid

Kelly

Yeo

Hall

Graham

Baker

Hewett

Hough

Hutchinson

Gross

Banfield

Evans

Medium Tall Fwd

Hewett

Reid

Kelly

Baker

Hutchinson

Davis

Small Fwd

Long

Brockman

Champion

Newton

Owies

Cripps

T Williams

Walley

Key Position Fwd

Shanahan

Waterman

J Williams

A Reid

B Williams

Ruck

Flynn

B Williams

A Reid

Livingstone

Barnett

So my quick analysis shows we have 12 players capable of playing inside mid, I would only rate 2 as elite (Reid and Yeo)
The next lot would be Kelly, Baker and Graham with the rest still an unknown.

Of course with essentially 1 elite inside mid normally available we do need to chase another, but it's a position that needs a few years to really develop and I'm not sure we 'reach' this year at a inside mid for pick 2 who isn't knocking down the door to be picked.

I don't want to go down the North route of drafting inside mids every year and then not developing any of them and abandoning other areas of need.

Not really advocating for anything in particular, just wondering if there's merit to developing what we have and using this year for those 'unicorn' picks in Duursma and CDT and then going back to the well in future drafts to fill 'needs' more.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

This is a pretty cool story

Agree, I think its fantastic.

 

[woosha24]

Throwing a spanner in the works - do we need an inside mid or do we just need the one's we've got to get better?

This is a 2min job of me throwing together all the positions I can see our current list (+ NGA/FS) fulfilling:

Med/Small lockdown Def:

Starcevich

Cole

Hough

Grego

Duggan

Johnston

Ginbey

Running Def:

McCarthy

Maric

Duggan

Allan

Dewar

Baker

Ginbey

Key Position Def

Edwards

Brock

Young

Bazzo

Ginbey

Wing / Outside Mids:

Maric

McCarthy

Duggan

Allan

Davis

Dewar

Hutchinson

Banfield

Inside Mids:

Reid

Kelly

Yeo

Hall

Graham

Baker

Hewett

Hough

Hutchinson

Gross

Banfield

Evans

Medium Tall Fwd

Hewett

Reid

Kelly

Baker

Hutchinson

Davis

Small Fwd

Long

Brockman

Champion

Newton

Owies

Cripps

T Williams

Walley

Key Position Fwd

Shanahan

Waterman

J Williams

A Reid

B Williams

Ruck

Flynn

B Williams

A Reid

Livingstone

Barnett

So my quick analysis shows we have 12 players capable of playing inside mid, I would only rate 2 as elite (Reid and Yeo)
The next lot would be Kelly, Baker and Graham with the rest still an unknown.

Of course with essentially 1 elite inside mid normally available we do need to chase another, but it's a position that needs a few years to really develop and I'm not sure we 'reach' this year at a inside mid for pick 2 who isn't knocking down the door to be picked.

I don't want to go down the North route of drafting inside mids every year and then not developing any of them and abandoning other areas of need.

Not really advocating for anything in particular, just wondering if there's merit to developing what we have and using this year for those 'unicorn' picks in Duursma and CDT and then going back to the well in future drafts to fill 'needs' more.

* Kelly is poo. Goes missing way too often and plays better when he's more unaccountable off the HBF. He's not getting any better as an inside mid.

* Yeo is cooked

* Graham and Baker are servicable but not elite, and at this stage of their careers wont be getting much better than they are (they are known quantities)

* Ried is great

* Hewitt and Hough are largely unknowns but show potential

* Banfield/ Gross are unknown

Of the crop of inside mids we have, most are middling-to-poor with the exceptions of Reid who is a star, Yeo who will fall over in the next stiff breeze, and the kids who could go either way. We need another standout who can go with Harley - that could be Hewitt/ Hough, but we dont know yet. Best bet is to draft the kid who actually looks like an inside mid instead of the kid who looks like a third-string ruck project that will need to be swung forward to accumulate touches.

 

[amazingjoshy]

This is a pretty cool story

The sort of buy in around the club that you want

Great story

 

[Keys]

Alright, which one of you is Bella Lewis?

It's you isn't it random260

Eagles' co-captain is looking at finals and beyond - to the men's draft

Bella Lewis will be sitting on West Coast's table at the AFL draft as a crucial part of their draft team

www.afl.com.au

This is a pretty cool story

I glossed over that at first and didn’t open the article. Had a spare moment so thought I’d have a read

So glad I did. Was much more to it than I expected and really like that Lewis is getting so involved in the recruiting process. Also a big tick for the club for exploring a left field appointment among their recruiters

An AFLW player looking at and interviewing draftees for the men’s team is not something I’d expect to see on my bingo card

 

[Barrybran]

Throwing a spanner in the works - do we need an inside mid or do we just need the one's we've got to get better?

This is a 2min job of me throwing together all the positions I can see our current list (+ NGA/FS) fulfilling:

Med/Small lockdown Def:

Starcevich

Cole

Hough

Grego

Duggan

Johnston

Ginbey

Running Def:

McCarthy

Maric

Duggan

Allan

Dewar

Baker

Ginbey

Key Position Def

Edwards

Brock

Young

Bazzo

Ginbey

Wing / Outside Mids:

Maric

McCarthy

Duggan

Allan

Davis

Dewar

Hutchinson

Banfield

Inside Mids:

Reid

Kelly

Yeo

Hall

Graham

Baker

Hewett

Hough

Hutchinson

Gross

Banfield

Evans

Medium Tall Fwd

Hewett

Reid

Kelly

Baker

Hutchinson

Davis

Small Fwd

Long

Brockman

Champion

Newton

Owies

Cripps

T Williams

Walley

Key Position Fwd

Shanahan

Waterman

J Williams

A Reid

B Williams

Ruck

Flynn

B Williams

A Reid

Livingstone

Barnett

So my quick analysis shows we have 12 players capable of playing inside mid, I would only rate 2 as elite (Reid and Yeo)
The next lot would be Kelly, Baker and Graham with the rest still an unknown.

Of course with essentially 1 elite inside mid normally available we do need to chase another, but it's a position that needs a few years to really develop and I'm not sure we 'reach' this year at a inside mid for pick 2 who isn't knocking down the door to be picked.

I don't want to go down the North route of drafting inside mids every year and then not developing any of them and abandoning other areas of need.

Not really advocating for anything in particular, just wondering if there's merit to developing what we have and using this year for those 'unicorn' picks in Duursma and CDT and then going back to the well in future drafts to fill 'needs' more.

Realistically, Yeo and Kelly are done, Graham and Baker shouldn't be in the middle, Hutchinson is likely not best 23 long term, Hall is too slow, Gross is a project, Hewett could be a good forward/mid and Hough is better as a defender. Elite is the key word. How many of these guys are going to reach a very good or elite level?

 

[MrWoollie]

If that gives a little insight that WCE view the top band of 6 players, and it seems like most we have Duursma at the top of that 6. I speculate Uwland, Patterson, Annable, CDT and Sharp are the other players in consideration with pick 2 and the order currently being settled.

I think we take Duursma at 1
Put a bid on at least one of the acadmey prospects with 2 - I hope we bid on all 3
Then take Sharp.

Sharp has been successful at all levels he has faced and is a leader. I think that is a big factor that the media miss and something with our young list we need more of.

I'm all in on this.
Exactly how I'd like us to play our hand.

Then look at Fred or Farrow or Curtin or any slider at 15ish.

 

[Barrybran]

Cumming is getting a lot of love on the Richmond and Essendon boards and Sharp is getting a lot of love on the Essendon board

 

[SloppyJoe]

Alright, which one of you is Bella Lewis?

It's you isn't it random260

Eagles' co-captain is looking at finals and beyond - to the men's draft

Bella Lewis will be sitting on West Coast's table at the AFL draft as a crucial part of their draft team

www.afl.com.au

Jobs for the girls!

Seriously, good on her