List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[mezaire]

Been watching more CDT highlights his talent is undeniable, his games vs sandringham and oakleigh chargers we're seriously impressive. He's a natural footballer, which i feel has been overlooked, he's not some gangly big man that struggles with the fundamentals of the game. His acceleration is Nic-Nat esque, and so is ability below his knees, both traits allow him to act like another midfielder in a lot of plays. He's also quite aggressive and not afraid to throw his weight around, which bodes well, definitely not a Tim English type ruckman. His kicking skills are also very good, including his set shots. He's got a nice ball drop and normally hits his targets. The one clear weakness in his game that i could see was his overhead marking. I can definitely see the hype, and i think he'll flourish playing AFL.

I think that while you have talked up CDT, you have hit the exact nail on the head at why so many of us do not want him at 2.

The way the game is evolving, the one thing you would want him to be good at is overhead marking!!
Think what Gawn, Grundy, English or Cameron are able to do when no rucking.......They can go behind the play and intercept, be the marking target on the wing, or go forward and take a grab.
Remember how poor NN's marking was??? But he got away with it because he dominated ruck contests!!

And finally, CDT has very average ruck craft and will be lucky to get 20% of the hitouts to adv against any AFL ruck!!

So, he doesn't have the marking to be a Cameron, Curnow or even Richardson type.
Doesn't have the ruck craft to be a #1 ruck
AND, there are less and less stoppages a game, so for as many ruck contests he gets to advantage, we may as well do what the dogs used to do, and play a 192cm mid at ruck contests around the ground, as he is never going to as good as a proper mid at distributing!!

We are FAR better off getting mids this year and then doing what Hawthorn or Collingwood did and trading for a up and coming ruck who can't get a game.
Yes, we tried with Flynn (who I thought would be better than he has) who has struggled so far, but he showed some real promise a few years ago, so I haven't lost all hope!

 

[CountryLad]

Well it has been a few years now since the departure of Willie, so we have a lot of sexual innuendo to make up for.

It’s a shame where this once mighty football club has fallen to. In 2006 there were women at Subiaco holding banners wanting Big Cox, then in 2019 little Willie did the unthinkable and filled a Gatorade bottle. These days the only thing that excites us is the potential of Cumming.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

It’s a shame where this once mighty football club has fallen to. In 2006 there were women at Subiaco holding banners wanting Big Cox, then in 2019 little Willie did the unthinkable and filled a Gatorade bottle. These days the only thing that excites us is the potential of Cumming.

And Brad Dick could've been a star if he had been able stay on the park.

 

[garlic munchers]

Neither, but it is a reasonable character concern for a draftee. Same reason a lot of people are taking issue with the Phillipou interview.

Rather this than an Oscar Allen nancy boy.

Probably a tad unfair, but his latest interview at the Brissie Lions has got my goat where he said "My resilience is the one thing the WC powerbrokers couldn't take away from me for as long as I thought I was a chance to get an 8 year contract on $1.25 million p.a. for 1.4 goals a game".

And then to finish of with "I see leadership as being Collaborative, Visionary and Empowering and I feel I certainly espouse all of these.

Examples you ask?

Well....... I collaborated with Sammy over coffee until I moved on and then I collaborated with Fages, who is just like a father figure to me may I say!

I then envisaged filling up my wallet with filthy ill-gotten lucre, which by all accounts, can only be taken as empowering me and my wallet!"

 

[WCEConnor23]

I think that while you have talked up CDT, you have hit the exact nail on the head at why so many of us do not want him at 2.

The way the game is evolving, the one thing you would want him to be good at is overhead marking!!
Think what Gawn, Grundy, English or Cameron are able to do when no rucking.......They can go behind the play and intercept, be the marking target on the wing, or go forward and take a grab.
Remember how poor NN's marking was??? But he got away with it because he dominated ruck contests!!

And finally, CDT has very average ruck craft and will be lucky to get 20% of the hitouts to adv against any AFL ruck!!

So, he doesn't have the marking to be a Cameron, Curnow or even Richardson type.
Doesn't have the ruck craft to be a #1 ruck
AND, there are less and less stoppages a game, so for as many ruck contests he gets to advantage, we may as well do what the dogs used to do, and play a 192cm mid at ruck contests around the ground, as he is never going to as good as a proper mid at distributing!!

We are FAR better off getting mids this year and then doing what Hawthorn or Collingwood did and trading for a up and coming ruck who can't get a game.
Yes, we tried with Flynn (who I thought would be better than he has) who has struggled so far, but he showed some real promise a few years ago, so I haven't lost all hope!

You can teach and improve overhead marking and ruck craft. He's not bad at both of those things.. he just needs some good coaching and development to improve. Like most draftees he has areas of his game he needs to improve, not uncommon.

Clearly they wouldn't be drafting him to play like Gawn, Cameron etc.. they would see him developing into a Luke Jackson type.

The way the game is evolving, the one thing you would want him to be good at is overhead marking!!
Think what Gawn, Grundy, English or Cameron are able to do when no rucking.......They can go behind the play and intercept, be the marking target on the wing, or go forward and take a grab.

Part of the reason he's ranked number 2 in the draft is because of the 'way the game is evolving'. You know who else is good at over head marking, the one thing you need to be good at...? Matt Flynn. Is Flynn the long-term solution to our ruck problems in your eyes then, because he's a good overhead mark?

WCE will be pairing him with Archer, who is a good overhead mark and a good reader of the play. Their skillsets should compliment each other's quite well.

Take the best talent available, Duursma will be a mid in time, Banfield will be a mid, Evans is a mid, there will be a top-line mid in next years draft, and then hopefully we'll sign Warner the following year.

 

[chip23]

And Brad Dick could've been a star if he had been able stay on the park.

He never managed to rise to the occasion.

 

[BeornJ]

I haven't been reading as much about the upcoming draft cohort as I normally do, but still here is my wishlist:

Pick 1 Duursma
Pick 2 Sharp/Cumming
Pick 13 Farrow/Cumming


Banfield (mid)
Williams
Evans
Walley

Robertson



I won't melt if we pick CDT but would hope that we can still get either Sharp or Cumming.

After viewing more footage and looking at our list again I am coming around to the idea of picking CDT. I think he is a serious talent and at this point of our rebuild we just need to take the most talented players with our highest picks.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Rather this than an Oscar Allen nancy boy.

Probably a tad unfair, but his latest interview at the Brissie Lions has got my goat where he said "My resilience is the one thing the WC powerbrokers couldn't take away from me for as long as I thought I was a chance to get an 8 year contract on $1.25 million p.a. for 1.4 goals a game".

And then to finish of with "I see leadership as being Collaborative, Visionary and Empowering and I feel I certainly espouse all of these.

Examples you ask?

Well....... I collaborated with Sammy over coffee until I moved on and then I collaborated with Fages, who is just like a father figure to me may I say!

I then envisaged filling up my wallet with filthy ill-gotten lucre, which by all accounts, can only be taken as empowering me and my wallet!"

I get the Oscar Allen hate and agree he has made some big blunders in how he has gone about it, but footy is a brutal industry these days and I don't begrudge players trying to set themselves up for what will be a long and banged-up life after a relatively short career.

100 games and 150 goals ain't bad for a second round pick. And we were handsomely compensated for his exit.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Jacob Farrow, jumper nerd.



The socks and sandals are a concern but I know that kids often like to emulate summer time bus drivers these days.

 

[kane249]

He never managed to rise to the occasion.

Dick wasn't in for very long

 

[Hook461123]

A bit of balance for those that think Sharp is just purely a slow inside mid.

In the champs he avg 27 possessions and only 11 of those were contested. He actually provided quite a lot of spread on transition including nearly 5 marks a game and 1.3goals a game.
He was also asked to play forward to show some versatility and took some nice overhead marks and kicked goals. Even with time up forward he still avg 6 clearances, 5 tackles and 11 contested possessions.

He releases a lot of players with quick hands on the spread but he's also hungry for the ball and stays involved in transition. I also like that he does all the little things that help at stoppage, like block for players and little knock ons to the advantage of his teammates. Add in his defensive side, leadership qualities and competitiveness and you've got a pretty well-rounded player.

Like Murphy Reid last year people just seem to pick up this narrative that he's too slow when he's football doesn't really suggest this. He may run a bit funny (bit like Swanny) but has no problems making it to contests and finding space in transition.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Jacob Farrow, jumper nerd.

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The socks and sandals are a concern but I know that kids often like to emulate summer time bus drivers these days.

I like his taste in the jumper. That indigenous jumper that NicNat took his screamer against Geelong was my favourite

 

[chip23]

Dick wasn't in for very long

Was prone to flopping.

Dick wasn't in for very long

 

[stallon]

How are you gonna say it’s unlikely Sharp makes it to that level but then just assume our other young prospective mids make it?

Thats not what I said at all LMAO

I said its unlikely Sharp gest to Dunkley level, which is top few players in the comp level. Thats the level I think he has to get to in order to be a good pick, as the type of player he is can be found later in drafts.

Hewett/whoever else we have wasnt a top 2 pick, and those types of players are harder to find later in drafts as clubs value explosive/damaging players higher

Jesus dude

 

[stallon]

Which is why we are definately taking duursma who will slot into his half back running defender role.

Probably, yeah.

In time im sure Duursma will play in the middle but for now half back is an easy spot for him to play, unless we take Farrow or something thats where I expect Duursma to play

 

[squashface]

Watched some more CDT vision today to try and allow myself to accept that we are going to pick him.

Still cannot understand why he is rated so highly. All I saw was a lot of average ruck work and a bunch of chest marks.

 

[BG__]

Someone like Port or North maybe looking to get back into the first round this year?

If we can’t use 13 to get up to the pointy end of the draft I wouldn’t mind using it for a F1 next year

 

[Underdog]

I think that while you have talked up CDT, you have hit the exact nail on the head at why so many of us do not want him at 2.

Regarding this, I believe it’s possible to express concerns or reservations about drafting him at #2 without making a definitive judgment on whether he should or shouldn't be taken there.

I have confidence in the process, the intel, and the subject matter expertise of those guiding the decision. If he’s selected at #2, then that’s the call. If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t mean that the cautious opinions were “better” or more informed; it just means those opinions got lucky, which doesn’t take much when the outcome is essentially a coin flip.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

I’m coming around to the idea of CDT but only if our recruiters see him as likely to play relatively early - and if he projects similar to Jackson long term.

If he’s clearly best available at pick 2 (provided we also bid on the academy players) and we pick WD pick 1.

I keep thinking of St Kilda picking up Paddy McCartin due to “needs” post Riewoldt when Petracca was available to them.

 

[bzparkes]

I’m coming around to the idea of CDT but only if our recruiters see him as likely to play relatively early - and if he projects similar to Jackson long term.

If he’s clearly best available at pick 2 (provided we also bid on the academy players) and we pick WD pick 1.

I keep thinking of St Kilda picking up Paddy McCartin due to “needs” post Riewoldt when Petracca was available to them.

Yep that's the thing. If we're going to pick CDT, it'll be because we think he's the best available player.

Reaching for Sharp over CDT(presuming our recruiters rate CDT higher talent-wise) would indeed be like your scenario of going needs over talent at the point end.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I’m coming around to the idea of CDT but only if our recruiters see him as likely to play relatively early - and if he projects similar to Jackson long term.

If he’s clearly best available at pick 2 (provided we also bid on the academy players) and we pick WD pick 1.

I keep thinking of St Kilda picking up Paddy McCartin due to “needs” post Riewoldt when Petracca was available to them.

I don't think you can make a judgement on whether McCartin was the right call or not. He was concussed three or four times in his second season and it was over from then.

 

[BartBart]

For those thinking Duursma and CDT will be our picks, how do you rate them top 5 if you include the Academy/F-S players in the draft?

(Thinking bids)

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The fact that CDT is reported by others to be the 2nd best prospect is irrelevant.

If Mini believes it and know how and where we play him is far more relevant. This will be a massive line in the sand for Mini, Clarke and Massey.

If you get picks 1 and 2, it has to be a 100% success rate. A Rowell/Anderson type outcome.

 

[ballsohard]

The fact that CDT is reported by others to be the 2nd best prospect is irrelevant.

If Mini believes it and know how and where we play him is far more relevant. This will be a massive line in the sand for Mini, Clarke and Massey.

If you get picks 1 and 2, it has to be a 100% success rate. A Rowell/Anderson type outcome.

There is no Rowell or Anderson in this draft, and either way there is no way to guarantee a 100% success rate.

Be realistic