List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Forward Press]

You say that. Then i look at the top 10 in the Brownlow. 9 midfielders, five of who i don't consider to be "quick" mids, could potentially argue that the Bont isn't "quick" either. So while you need to be athletic, you don't need to be super quick.
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Think the key is that although you don't need to be 'quick' as in foot speed, you do need to be 'quick' in ball movement and ability to cover ground in the transition. Which is something I'd argue all of them exhibit even if Rowell, Dawson, Brayshaw, Anderson and Serong aren't winning the 100m dash at their clubs any time soon.

 

[Farmer Lister]

I know high picks get low guernsey numbers but I propose Willem takes 40. Nickname him WD40 because hes a versatile go anywhere type that fixes everything

Here comes the lubricator WD40 sliding the ball through the tightest cracks

 

[Wooshaaaa]

In 2026, agreed.

In 27/28 and onwards, way too early for that call. Duursma likens himself to Bont as that is the ceiling. And no-one would suggest Bont would not improve our biggest weaknesses.

Yep, he may be more Embley or Goddard, but surely we must take that risk.

CDT, different conversation

I happy with duursma. But if we take him with 1 then pick 2 has to be a midfielder.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Here comes the lubricator WD40 sliding the ball through the tightest cracks

I mean ‘gets everything moving’ would have been suffice but um ok

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We're not trying to solve it next year, although Dev should help with that, we're trying to fix it long term.

Are you ****in delusional. **** me drunk you lot need to recognise we will not win football games and the likes of harley and duursma won't be able to shine unless we win the ****ing football at the coal face. We can't afford to kick the can down the road any ****ing more. It is THE glaring hole in our game. Minis game style won't work without it. If course we are ****ing trying to solve it next year it is the only immediate basket we should be putting all our eggs into this year. Fuuuccccckk me

 

[txbyhull]

Are you *in delusional. * me drunk you lot need to recognise we will not win football games and the likes of harley and duursma won't be able to shine unless we win the ****ing football at the coal face. We can't afford to kick the can down the road any ****ing more. It is THE glaring hole in our game. Minis game style won't work without it. If course we are ****ing trying to solve it next year it is the only immediate basket we should be putting all our eggs into this year. Fuuuccccckk me

I was going to say it's okay, no contested mid in 2026 can't hurt you, but really it can. Emotionally.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Most of those guys you highlighted are strong outside players, only Serong and Rowell being the mostly inside players but Rowell in particular is an incredible athlete. Sharp isnt even comparable in explosiveness

Think the key is that although you don't need to be 'quick' as in foot speed, you do need to be 'quick' in ball movement and ability to cover ground in the transition. Which is something I'd argue all of them exhibit even if Rowell, Dawson, Brayshaw, Anderson and Serong aren't winning the 100m dash at their clubs any time soon.

Agreed with fact they are "outside" and that the "need to be 'quick' in ball movement and ability to cover ground in the transition."

The fact that they are outside, yet not super quick, just reinforces again that Sharp will be fine. He has shown he can cover the ground in transitoin, and move the ball along quickly.

He won't win the 100m dash but he'll keep going and get from contest to contest without issue.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I happy with duursma. But if we take him with 1 then pick 2 has to be a midfielder.

Yeah..sometimes I honestly can't believe we're potentially gonna be taking a forward/ruck with our second pick when a) we have more than enough depth in that spot and b) we desperately, unimaginably need midfielders. We're doing a reverse North Melbourne, they keep drafting mids when they need talls and we keep drafting talls when we need mids.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I was going to say it's okay, no contested mid in 2026 can't hurt you, but really it can. Emotionally.

Oh I'm ****in emotional mate, I'm emotional that we have become this shit tank laughing stock in the league. I've followed this clubs since its inception and I can't stand another ****in year where we can't win the ball in the contest. It's been this way since simmo, cause he didn't care much for it, despite the fact that it's exactly what won the finals series in 18. We have been the worst ground ball and post clearance team in the comp for 5 years straight. Oh but we can kick midfield can down the road for some hybrid forward ruck who can't ****in ruck.

 

[txbyhull]

Oh I'm ****in emotional mate, I'm emotional that we have become this shit tank laughing stock in the league. I've followed this clubs since its inception and I can't stand another ****in year where we can't win the ball in the contest. It's been this way since simmo, cause he didn't care much for it, despite the fact that it's exactly what won the finals series in 18. We have been the worst ground ball and post clearance team in the comp for 5 years straight. Oh but we can kick midfield can down the road for some hybrid forward ruck who can't ****in ruck.

I completely agree. I think CDT is fantastic as a prospect but if I'm LM there's no way in hell i'm picking him over Sharp.

 

[Weshi]

A lot of people on here adamant that player x is better than player y, based on watching a few videos (apologies to those that actually put more time into it). I have said before even the media draft watchers are not full time going all over the country watching and interviewing.
Most seasons we seem to have the top 10 midfield dominant, which would probably suit us, though this year seems a little different. A lot more differing Utility types that are harder to compare.
For me first thing we need to focus on is talent, especially when it is clear cut, if it is borderline then positional needs can come in to play.

 

[BazzaHoffSturtCompndOff]

Draft picks held -
R1: 1,2,13
R2: 34,41
R3: 53,58
RD: 1

List spots available:
Main list: 5
Cat A Rookie list: 4
Cat B Rookie list: 0

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots open although Cal Twomey has reported we intend to use only 4 selections in the draft

* The exact number of main list spots is unclear because of the following:

• Maric appears to have been upgraded
• Dewar needs to be upgraded
• Hutchinson might have been upgraded

If all 3 of the above are correct we only have 4 main list spots, 5 if it turns out Hutchinson is still on the rookie list

* Deven Robertson will take one of the 4 rookie list spots

* Coen Livingstone has yet to be offered a new contract, if he is delisted it will open up a Cat B list position

What the **** am I witnessing here where the **** is jack ****ing brooks get a ****ing grip.
Yours Sincerely

 

[BartBart]

If Port Power and/or Crows had top 5 picks, would Sharp be talked about more as a top 5 pick selection?

 

[BazzaHoffSturtCompndOff]

Im about to ****ing chin someone campaigner where the **** is brooksy.

 

[Barrybran]

Oh I'm ****in emotional mate, I'm emotional that we have become this shit tank laughing stock in the league. I've followed this clubs since its inception and I can't stand another ****in year where we can't win the ball in the contest. It's been this way since simmo, cause he didn't care much for it, despite the fact that it's exactly what won the finals series in 18. We have been the worst ground ball and post clearance team in the comp for 5 years straight. Oh but we can kick midfield can down the road for some hybrid forward ruck who can't ****in ruck.

There's a strong sense of "right in front of me" about this

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It's going to be a long 27 days....

 

[Keys]

Thats not hard to believe and would be so on brand for us.

Taking a half back flanker, with midfield potential.

Jokes aside, he might well be the best option available to us at our third pick. My opinion only, but I see these rough tiers-

Tier 1 - Won’t get past Richmond:
• Duursma
• Duff-Tytler
• Robey
• Annable, Uwland and Patterson could all attract a bid as well

Tier 2 - Won’t get past Melbourne:
• X Taylor
• Cumming
• Schubert
• Sharp (Hopefully not, but probably)
• Dean should also attract a bid here

Tier 3 - The next best:
• Grlj
• Farrow
• Dovaston
• Lindsay
• Marsh
• Greeves

The likes of Phillipou, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Barker and O Taylor are arguably just behind this group although one or two might jump up if a club likes them

One of that group of 6 I have in tier 3 will be selected by Melbourne whilst as it stands our current pick 13 would give us the last of that group after Carlton, Hawthorn, Carlton and GWS make their selections. That said it’s highly likely that at least one of Carlton’s picks is used up matching a bid on Dean - so we’d at least have a choice between two

Trading up to Carlton’s pick 9 would give us the second choice of that tier behind Melbourne. Of that group, I see only perhaps Dovaston as being a better choice for us than Farrow - pick 9 would go close to guaranteeing us him as it only needs Melbourne to skip him

(Pick 9 also gives us a very outside chance at getting Sharp if Essendon and Melbourne overlook him)

Can see why we’re chasing it

The other option is to throw either 34 or the Saints F2 at Hawthorn for 10 (and hope Carlton lose 9 to match a Dean bid). Hawthorn get a 3rd pick inside 30 this draft or a future asset to build their 2026 trade capital

 

[Barrybran]

Im about to *ing chin someone campaigner where the * is brooksy.

Looks in mirror. Realises he is brooksy. Passes out on bed.

 

[Barrybran]

Jokes aside, he might well be the best option available to us at our third pick. My opinion only, but I see these rough tiers-

Tier 1 - Won’t get past Richmond:
• Duursma
• Duff-Tytler
• Robey
• Annable, Uwland and Patterson could all attract a bid as well

Tier 2 - Won’t get past Melbourne:
• X Taylor
• Cumming
• Schubert
• Sharp (Hopefully not, but probably)
• Dean should also attract a bid here

Tier 3 - The next best:
• Grlj
• Farrow
• Dovaston
• Lindsay
• Marsh
• Greeves

The likes of Phillipou, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Barker and O Taylor are arguably just behind this group although one or two might jump up if a club likes them

One of that group of 6 I have in tier 3 will be selected by Melbourne whilst as it stands our current pick 13 would give us the last of that group after Carlton, Hawthorn, Carlton and GWS make their selections. That said it’s highly likely that at least one of Carlton’s picks is used up matching a bid on Dean - so we’d at least have a choice between two

Trading up to Carlton’s pick 9 would give us the second choice of that tier behind Melbourne. Of that group, I see only perhaps Dovaston as being a better choice for us than Farrow - pick 9 would go close to guaranteeing us him as it only needs Melbourne to skip him

(Pick 9 also gives us a very outside chance at getting Sharp if Essendon and Melbourne overlook him)

Can see why we’re chasing it

The other option is to throw either 34 or the Saints F2 at Hawthorn for 10 (and hope Carlton lose 9 to match a Dean bid). Hawthorn get a 3rd pick inside 30 this draft or a future asset to build their 2026 trade capital

Who do you think is likely to select Farrow before pick 13?

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

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Essendon looking at Sharp and Cumming at 5,6 if this holds FFS.

Isn't this a phantom form guide? His phantom draft comes later.

 

[NSLK]

Here comes the lubricator WD40 sliding the ball through the tightest cracks

♬ That's firteen, firty, firty-two ♬

 

[eaglevision]

Isn't this a phantom form guide? His phantom draft comes later.

It is, and the assumption was it holds for the draft based on talent.

His phantom draft considers the sides selecting.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Is there going to be a better big target with as much upside as CDT next year?

I would still rather draft CDT this year and use our first pick next year for best available mid over Sharp and try and trade up to get him from 13 or take Cumming/Grlj if we rate either of those two.

 

[BG__]

So how do we solve the simple facts that we 18th in the comp for

Contested
Ground balls
Clearance
Post clearance

Neither of the those 2 solve our midfield woes.

In an ideal world the best prospects fill a need, but with where we are in our rebuild we just need to take best available imo.

Even if we did draft on a needs basis I don’t think they’ll move the needle that much for us next year.

Prefer to take best available and hope other guys can improve our midfield woes. Then maybe next year fill our need depending on how things unfold.

 

[Keys]

Who do you think is likely to select Farrow before pick 13?

Hawthorn would be my best guess depending on how highly they (Mitchell) rate Greeves, otherwise it would need to be GWS if Dovaston has already gone

Carlton might also trade one of their picks for a F1 if they can find a buyer although who that might be isn’t obvious

For Farrow to get to us all at least four of Grlj, Lindsay, Dovaston, Marsh and Greeves have to be picked before him. Worst case is all 5 need to be taken first unless there’s a bolter from that next group