Draft Watch

[Barnzy]

Yes we've got Gourdis Astbury & Grimes as possible KPD, the problem is between them have played 20 odd games this year, their first year at AFL level. Odds are not all of them will make it, so why no bring in another 194+cm KPD and give ourselves a better chance of finding a couple of long term options to go with the 4 young KPF we already have.

As for Thursfield McGuane & Moore. I'd be looking at trading out 2 of them, McGuane & Thursfield for mine as Moore seems to be the more reliable of the 3 when it comes to disposing of the ball.

Finally just on Rance, don't tell me you've changed your tune, especially after some posts like these, where you have constantly questioned Rances ability to be a KPD in the future:

Nope, haven't changed my tune on Rance. Clearly stated he doesn't play as a tall in my post. Just included him as he's in that group on the list, 193cm and over. Didn't list positives and negatives but probably pointless to include him.

Regardless, as I said I wouldn't be adding another KPD to our list unless it's a late ND pick or RD pick. We have higher priorities IMO that we need to address earlier in the draft which includes midfielders, 1 more ruckman to develop, 1 or 2 small/mid-sized forward options another KPF preferably one suited to CHF, etc.

Also agree, try to trade out 1 maybe 2 of Thursfield, McGuane, Moore. McGuane would probably get us the best pick, happy for him to go given his average skills/decision making. Also still lacks at least 3-5kg and I dunno if he will ever get there. Naturally skinny frame. Don't think the coaches rate him that high either, 19th in the B&F IIRC.

Thursfield similar in regards to frame, not too fussed if he goes given his inability to attack. His versatility to play on smalls and talls could be valuable in keeping though to structure around our kids who will take the key posts.

Moore is probably the most valuable IMO. He plays his role well enough (3rd tall) without being exceptional in any area. Attacks and has solid enough skills and decision making. Gets back and defends/chops out, can play tall and small. He again could fit in well around our kids who take the key posts (CHF/FB) in the future. Only query is age, oldest of the 3 mentioned.

 

[THE_GUN]

the thing that mguane is the only player that plays in our backline with a bit of mongrel in him thursty & moore are very placid & we need someone with abit of C**T in him.

 

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Nope, haven't changed my tune on Rance. Clearly stated he doesn't play as a tall in my post. Just included him as he's in that group on the list, 193cm and over. Didn't list positives and negatives but probably pointless to include him.

Regardless, as I said I wouldn't be adding another KPD to our list unless it's a late ND pick or RD pick. We have higher priorities IMO that we need to address earlier in the draft which includes midfielders, 1 more ruckman to develop, 1 or 2 small/mid-sized forward options another KPF preferably one suited to CHF, etc.

Also agree, try to trade out 1 maybe 2 of Thursfield, McGuane, Moore. McGuane would probably get us the best pick, happy for him to go given his average skills/decision making. Also still lacks at least 3-5kg and I dunno if he will ever get there. Naturally skinny frame. Don't think the coaches rate him that high either, 19th in the B&F IIRC.

Thursfield similar in regards to frame, not too fussed if he goes given his inability to attack. His versatility to play on smalls and talls could be valuable in keeping though to structure around our kids who will take the key posts.

Moore is probably the most valuable IMO. He plays his role well enough (3rd tall) without being exceptional in any area. Attacks and has solid enough skills and decision making. Gets back and defends/chops out, can play tall and small. He again could fit in well around our kids who take the key posts (CHF/FB) in the future. Only query is age, oldest of the 3 mentioned.

Didn't think you had just found it strange that you threw him in. As for the KPD/KPF debate maybe we can split the difference and go for a bloke who can play both ends. Good to see we both agree on trading out some of the undersized 'KPD' we have.

As for my wishlist for the drafts I'd like to see us target the following:
1-2 ruckmen - 1 senior listed 1 rookie listed
1 KPD - we'll agree to disagree
1 3rd Tall Forward (optional) wouldn't mind a 190-192cm kid who can float around the F50
1 Medium Defender - more depth there would be handy
2-3 Medium Forward/Midfielder - again depth in this area will be important to our future.

 

[The Fourth Son]

Take a look at a roughie playing in the CMFL and a former NBL rostered player from Townsville. Josh Jenkins. 200cm and 100kg according to the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl3HxX38J_s

Thoughts

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Thursfield has to stay out of the 3...he's the one defender who can actually... like..you know...defend....Moore...well I'd rather see him moved to HBF if anything, could be a masterstroke...he still looks lost half the time inside the defensive 50, seems a better player outside it...not too fussed if he stays or goes though...as for McGoof...he should be McGone...is, was and always will be a McDud....

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Thursfield has to stay out of the 3...he's the one defender who can actually... like..you know...defend....Moore...well I'd rather see him moved to HBF if anything, could be a masterstroke...he still looks lost half the time inside the defensive 50, seems a better player outside it...not too fussed if he stays or goes though...as for McGoof...he should be McGone...is, was and always will be a McDud....

I thought Moore actually played more as a HBF this year, expcept for some situations where we were a KPD short. It's more to do with the way back lines play these days. There are a couple of match ups on the bigger KPFs, then most of the time the others are chopping and changing to cover each other's backsides, something we didn't really master this year.

If Moore can't play the same role as Maxwell does, and just as effectively, I'm a monkey's arse.

 

[folester41]

Nope, haven't changed my tune on Rance. Clearly stated he doesn't play as a tall in my post. Just included him as he's in that group on the list, 193cm and over. Didn't list positives and negatives but probably pointless to include him.

Regardless, as I said I wouldn't be adding another KPD to our list unless it's a late ND pick or RD pick. We have higher priorities IMO that we need to address earlier in the draft which includes midfielders, 1 more ruckman to develop, 1 or 2 small/mid-sized forward options another KPF preferably one suited to CHF, etc.

Also agree, try to trade out 1 maybe 2 of Thursfield, McGuane, Moore. McGuane would probably get us the best pick, happy for him to go given his average skills/decision making. Also still lacks at least 3-5kg and I dunno if he will ever get there. Naturally skinny frame. Don't think the coaches rate him that high either, 19th in the B&F IIRC.

Thursfield similar in regards to frame, not too fussed if he goes given his inability to attack. His versatility to play on smalls and talls could be valuable in keeping though to structure around our kids who will take the key posts.

Moore is probably the most valuable IMO. He plays his role well enough (3rd tall) without being exceptional in any area. Attacks and has solid enough skills and decision making. Gets back and defends/chops out, can play tall and small. He again could fit in well around our kids who take the key posts (CHF/FB) in the future. Only query is age, oldest of the 3 mentioned.

couldnt disagree more, how you think KPD's are not a major list need is beyond me. astbury looks the goods, but who's to say he will make it. grimes has played one game, gourdis a couple and only showed bits and pieces, and none of thursty, mcguane or moore are good enough. look at the top 4 teams, our defenders are not good enough to play them, and until we have defenders who are, then we still need KPD's. if you dont have a good defence, you wont get very far. it may all start in the midfield, but a good defence will always minimise damage, and keep you in the game.

 

[Barnzy]

couldnt disagree more, how you think KPD's are not a major list need is beyond me. astbury looks the goods, but who's to say he will make it. grimes has played one game, gourdis a couple and only showed bits and pieces, and none of thursty, mcguane or moore are good enough. look at the top 4 teams, our defenders are not good enough to play them, and until we have defenders who are, then we still need KPD's. if you dont have a good defence, you wont get very far. it may all start in the midfield, but a good defence will always minimise damage, and keep you in the game.

Who's to say any of the ruckman will make it? Key forwards? Certain midfielders? The numbers in the KPD area are good. They just need time to develop. If they don't develop into what we need the cycle continues and they're moved on and replaced.

As I said If I was adding more KPD to the list it would either be with a late ND pick or RD pick most likely to replace a defender who's traded out. Higher priorities at this stage with the early picks.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

If we add more KPD to the list we will be in a position were we can't get a decent look at them all without rotating blokes through there every week. We need to try and settle the backline, give games to the guys we've got and see whether they are good enough. If not then we either trade or draft some more. No point IMO having 8 players competing for 2-3 spots, things will be too unsettled.

 

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Who's to say any of the ruckman will make it? Key forwards? Certain midfielders? The numbers in the KPD area are good. They just need time to develop. If they don't develop into what we need the cycle continues and they're moved on and replaced.

As I said If I was adding more KPD to the list it would either be with a late ND pick or RD pick most likely to replace a defender who's traded out. Higher priorities at this stage with the early picks.

We've only got 2-3 KPD that are 194cm+(Grimes is listed at 193 maybe 194+ now), we've got 4 players 194cm+ that can play KPF. Clearly we have enough forwards and don't have enough defenders. Adding 1 more genuine 194cm+ KPD would give us 3-4 that we can develop at the same time, you know cover the bases for the next couple of years while the list develops. With Astbury Gourdis Grimes and another kid we give ourselves a better opportunity of unearthing 2 KPD while the list is developing rather than simple pinning our hopes on 2 of the 3 we've got now coming good.

Also I'm not saying we go out and use one of our early picks on a KPD, 3rd round onwards would be fine.

 

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Tall forwards that have been invited to draft camps have been announced and the list is posted on the first page

 

[folester41]

Who's to say any of the ruckman will make it? Key forwards? Certain midfielders? The numbers in the KPD area are good. They just need time to develop. If they don't develop into what we need the cycle continues and they're moved on and replaced.

As I said If I was adding more KPD to the list it would either be with a late ND pick or RD pick most likely to replace a defender who's traded out. Higher priorities at this stage with the early picks.

did i say the other positions dont need to be looked at? i think every area of the field is far from full with regards to our list. what i am trying to say is we need to get defence sorted out first, before we can worry about the midfield and foward line. look at geelong, in my opinion it is their backline that is the difference between them being a good team and a great team. yes they have a star midfield, but how many times have scarlett, mackie, enright and milburn saved them? with their far from efficient foward line id suggest alot more than you really think.

the defence needs to be most experienced part of the field, and the most solid, and at the moment ours is far from that. getting KPD with late picks or rookie picks could work, but it is not going to give us as great a chance to be succesful as a midfielder with a high pick is. id kill for a hurley or frawley right now, they would improve our spine significantly and you would see the rest of our team improve too.

If we add more KPD to the list we will be in a position were we can't get a decent look at them all without rotating blokes through there every week. We need to try and settle the backline, give games to the guys we've got and see whether they are good enough. If not then we either trade or draft some more. No point IMO having 8 players competing for 2-3 spots, things will be too unsettled.

we should have 6 KPD 3 playing, and 3 pushing them, they should be grimes, gourdis, astbury and one of moore, thursfield and mcguane, plus two new additions, because those three arent good enough and rance is not a key position player

 

[Barnzy]

but how many times have scarlett, mackie, enright and milburn saved them? with their far from efficient foward line id suggest alot more than you really think.

In that list only Scarlett plays as a true KPD. The other 2 KPD they use are Taylor at CHB and Longergan here and there. The rest of those players are 3rd talls/HBF'ers. Their defence is very tall.

the defence needs to be most experienced part of the field, and the most solid, and at the moment ours is far from that. getting KPD with late picks or rookie picks could work, but it is not going to give us as great a chance to be succesful as a midfielder with a high pick is. id kill for a hurley or frawley right now, they would improve our spine significantly and you would see the rest of our team improve too.

Our defence will be experienced when a few of our kids develop over the next couple of years. We don't know how good a few of them will be yet. If they don't develop as planned the cycle continues and they're moved on and replaced.

If or how many more KPD's we pick up in this year's draft will probably depend on how many of Thursfield, McGuane and Moore are traded out. I'd doubt they would turf all 3 at once, although I hope at least one goes. I doubt we will be picking up one with an early pick though.

 

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Gold Coast to draft Day with one of first 3 picks:

GOLD Coast will draft one of the most athletic and versatile tall players to come through the AFL's pathway system.
The Suns have settled on selecting South Australian Sam Day as one of its first three picks in November's draft.

Barring any setbacks, Gold Coast will select defensive midfielder David Swallow, wingman Harley Bennell and Day, covering all bases with its top three picks.

Day will focus on his exams and will not move to Queensland until after the draft.

"One of my goals is to try and get on an AFL list," Day said. "In terms of sport, footy is what I am focusing on."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-suns-to-draft-sam-day/story-e6frf9jf-1225916108482

 

[Barnzy]

I guess those rumours of him not wanting to go to WA or Queensland were BS like most internet rumours. Good luck to the kid, obviously has a lot of talent.

Would've had him at #2 in a normal year without the GC taking all the picks...or Bennell.

 

[tugga]

Thursfield has to stay out of the 3...he's the one defender who can actually... like..you know...defend....Moore...well I'd rather see him moved to HBF if anything, could be a masterstroke...he still looks lost half the time inside the defensive 50, seems a better player outside it...not too fussed if he stays or goes though...as for McGoof...he should be McGone...is, was and always will be a McDud....

Disagree on Moore. Some of his defensive work this year was outstanding. He did actually play a bit at half back and looked OK. Is also the more likely out of him, McGuane and Thursfield to pinch hit up forward as well.

 

[tiges1]

Take a look at a roughie playing in the CMFL and a former NBL rostered player from Townsville. Josh Jenkins. 200cm and 100kg according to the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl3HxX38J_s

Thoughts

Yeah good size & looks Ok --
Seeing Sam Day is a GC draftee , I like the look of Andrew Gaff , different size & field posi's I know , but moves very well

but for a CHF /tall it's Jack Darling

 

[Toadvine]

I think people are disregarding Polec ability and potential at our pick.

Maybe because he's from SA?

He is showing very impressive form at SANFL level and been named in the best 3 times out of the 6 games he has played. Not bad for a 17 year old.

Apparently his impact at SANFL level has drawn comparison to Cooney, Trengove and Gibbs had at the same age.

 

[TigerTime88]

I think people are disregarding Polec ability and potential at our pick.

Maybe because he's from SA?

He is showing very impressive form at SANFL level and been named in the best 3 times out of the 6 games he has played. Not bad for a 17 year old.

Apparently his impact at SANFL level has drawn comparison to Cooney, Trengove and Gibbs had at the same age.

Polec and Smith are both excellent SA prospects. I think the knock on Polec is he doesn't find the ball that much. Gaff on the other hand will run all day. But in saying that we only need a line breaker with sublime skills who can average 20 touches and 2 goals..

 

[Ferdinand Lewis]

The 2010 NAB AFL All-Australian team is as follows:

Defenders:
Ben Jacobs (VM), Matt Watson(VM), Dyson Heppell (VC),
Shaun Atley (VC), Patrick McCarthy (SA), Brodie Smith (SA)

Midfield: Jared Polec (SA), Daniel Gorringe (SA), Andrew Gaff (VM),
Mitch Hallahan (VC), Anthony Miles (NSW/ACT), Tom Liberatore (VM)

Forwards: Harley Bennell (WA), Lucas Cook (VC), Adam Treloar (VC), Jayden Pitt (VC), Steven May (NT), Josh Caddy (VM)

Interchange: Sam Day (SA), Josh Bruce (NSW/ACT), Josh Green (Tas), Sam Darley (TAS)

Coach: Robert Hyde (VC)
Assistant coach: Matt Armstrong (Tas)

 

[richoatthedisco]

Disagree on Moore. Some of his defensive work this year was outstanding. He did actually play a bit at half back and looked OK. Is also the more likely out of him, McGuane and Thursfield to pinch hit up forward as well.

None of them are much chop up forward but Moore is the most rounded and best player of the three. Not be discounted either is the longer he's on our list, the more chances we have to lure his kid bro back from Port. He's an impressive young player and I was amazed how much size he'd put on in the past 12 months.

Polec and Smith are both excellent SA prospects. I think the knock on Polec is he doesn't find the ball that much. Gaff on the other hand will run all day. But in saying that we only need a line breaker with sublime skills who can average 20 touches and 2 goals..

Polec is averaging 18 touches and a goal in his last six SANFL senior games, with a best of 23 possies and three goals, and has been named in the best players three times out of six. Not bad for a 17-year-old.

 

[TigerTime88]

Polec genuinley seems to fit our midfield need the most. Pure wingman....

 

[folester41]

In that list only Scarlett plays as a true KPD. The other 2 KPD they use are Taylor at CHB and Longergan here and there. The rest of those players are 3rd talls/HBF'ers. Their defence is very tall.



Our defence will be experienced when a few of our kids develop over the next couple of years. We don't know how good a few of them will be yet. If they don't develop as planned the cycle continues and they're moved on and replaced.

If or how many more KPD's we pick up in this year's draft will probably depend on how many of Thursfield, McGuane and Moore are traded out. I'd doubt they would turf all 3 at once, although I hope at least one goes. I doubt we will be picking up one with an early pick though.

sorry, i was trying to think who the other gun defender was, but the point is they have top quality defenders.

and if we wait and go through the cycle if and when they fail, it will be too late.

the defence is the difference between a good team and a great team IMO, and im going to stick by that.

 

[austyn08]

I just hope Darling falls to our pick. The lad is very good.

 

[folester41]

darling will probably fall to our pick but we probably wont take him.