Draft Watch

[bigstyletiger]

I really dont understand your dislike for vickery tugga, he is a 200cm foward/ruck but i do see him more foward than ruckman i have to admit.

He will come good & can see him being a very dangerous fowar that teams will struggle to matchup on when combined with griffiths & riewoldt in the fowardline. He has good speed,leap,marking to make it,but needs size & confidence at this level.

Gorringe, I have no problem with selecting him with pick 6 PROVIDED
the club see's him as elite ruckman that can also play foward like a mathew kruezer. But not interested in a tweener like a pattison.
Take him if he is elite only !!
6. Heppell
29.Mitchell
46.Farmer
50.Gordon
63.Giles/cope

Rookie
Giles/Cope
C.Riewoldt
Mid...185cm+ must be fast & can kick well both sides
Mid...185cm+ must be fast & can kick well both sides
Mid...185cm+ must be fast & can kick well both sides

Would think a kid like that we most likely go in the main draft.

Just got to take best available at pick 6. Whether that is Gorringe or a midfielder. Gee most of us would love to have Mitch Clark on our list as well as Vickery. If FJ thinks Gorringe could turn out similiar and he's better value than Polec etc then i'd take him.

 

[Azzleberry]

The difference IMO is that Vickery was rated by most in his draft at #4. However, Port passed him up to take a quality young mid in Hartlett and none of Essendon, Brisbane or Carlton needed a ruckman (all have quality rucks developing). Therefore, it can be said that Vickery was a slider. Gorringe on the other hand is being talked about in the 6-12 area and the only reason he is being talked about at 6 is because our rucks are thin and still developing.

What i'm trying to say is that:
Vickery (Rated 4-8 in a good draft year)
Gorringe (Rated 6-12 in a diluted draft year)

Have patience with Vicks and Gus, Browne is developing and pick up Leif Cope with our last draft selection.
Post and Griffiths can both support in the ruck also.

STICK WITH A MIDFIELDER WITH PICK 6!

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

HI everybody.

Does anybody on this forum know much about a kid by the name of OZGUR UYSAL.Calder Cannons (VIC)
TAC Cup (2010)
Age:18Games:15Height:178cmGoals:11Weight:74kgAvg Kicks:9.5Pos:ForwardAvg Marks:3.2 Avg H'balls:8

Small forward who was runner-up in the under-18 best and fairest at powerful Melbourne suburban club Greenvale in 2009. Graduated to the Calder Cannons TAC Cup team in 2010 and played in their TAC Cup premiership team. I have also seen this kid play Back and midfield. I think the Richmond Football Club should have a good look at this kid for a number of reasons.

This kid is from a Turkish Background. He will we the second Turkish AFL footballer after Sedat Sir. I think its about time the AFL looks at the ANZAC clash carefully and shares this special day not only with PIES and DONS but get the Turkish AUSSIE / TURKS involved since we call this special event the ANZAC CLASH. I think its about time this ANZAC clash should be shared with other clubs.

Ozgur could be a very big asset for the RFC and AFL. Along side this is Bacher coming from a Muslim background i think it will increase our membership numbers. RFC has moved to cragieburn aswell with majority
of the population in Cragieburn/ Roxburghpark and broadmeadows is Turkish Arabic etc.

GO TIGERS

http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/306265/ozgur-uysal/

Watch OZGUR in action and tell me what you think guys.



Calder Cannons (VIC)
TAC Cup (2010)
Age:18Games:15Height:178cmGoals:11Weight:74kgAvg Kicks:9.5Pos:ForwardAvg Marks:3.2 Avg H'balls:8

Ozgur's pretty crafty - moves like silk - but there's not much of him - he doesn't look that short out on the ground because he's just so skinny.

He's nice and composed - kicking action isn't bad - and he has this uncanny ability to do the magical - but at the same time - goes missing for major periods.

Would play as a forward flanker/pocket at AFL level - you'd want him to develop a bit more of a physical presence - and if you can get his average effort to be more like his best than his worst you're onto a winner - there's a fair bit to work with with Ozgur.

Yeah makes me assume Polec. But I got the impression initially that tigs expected someone a little unexpected, suggesting we probably wouldn't have to worry about him being taken before us. So on that basis, maybe not Polec, since he would have the interest of plenty of clubs with top 10 picks.

I don't know enough of the other interstate players.

TFLUA?? We're looking for silky athletic mids from interstate, worthy of top 10

Polec and Smith are the two that come to mind without thinking of reaching.

I think people overlook Darling a little bit - he's got the potential to be a player in the Pavlich mold who can really break the game open as a midfielder with the potential to take big grabs up forward - but he doesn't fit the profile.

Otherwise - next thoughts are Conca, Andreoli and Newton - all WA boys. You wouldn't think any would be likely - two are chances of being there at 29 - and there's superior Victorian talent on show. I'd prefer Polec, Heppell, Pitt, Smedts and Gaff to Conca.

 

[richoatthedisco]

There's plenty of depth in this draft. I would have liked us to have a couple more picks. Shame we couldn't get that pick 38 for Thursty deal done, a kid like Newton or Michie or Farmer could easily be around at that point.

 

[Barnzy]

Yes, ideally would've delisted 1 or 2 more.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

There's plenty of depth in this draft. I would have liked us to have a couple more picks. Shame we couldn't get that pick 38 for Thursty deal done, a kid like Newton or Michie or Farmer could easily be around at that point.

Yeah - there's a lot of variation between 30 and 60 - there's a lot of options around - will be interesting to see who the major slider will be.

A pick in the late thirties would be fantastic. You'd be really happy to jump on the best big at either 29 or 38.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Polec and Smith are the two that come to mind without thinking of reaching.

I think people overlook Darling a little bit - he's got the potential to be a player in the Pavlich mold who can really break the game open as a midfielder with the potential to take big grabs up forward - but he doesn't fit the profile.

Otherwise - next thoughts are Conca, Andreoli and Newton - all WA boys. You wouldn't think any would be likely - two are chances of being there at 29 - and there's superior Victorian talent on show. I'd prefer Polec, Heppell, Pitt, Smedts and Gaff to Conca.

Thanks mate

 

[THE_GUN]

I think if we could of traded 2 of thursfield,mcguane,nahas for picks in the 40-50 range that would of just about completed the clean out.

What are your thoughts on farmer & gordon at our pick 46 & 50 TFLUA do you believe they will be around & would you like to see them at punt road with the mentioned picks.

also giles or cope at 63.

 

[Barnzy]

Yeah - there's a lot of variation between 30 and 60 - there's a lot of options around - will be interesting to see who the major slider will be.

A pick in the late thirties would be fantastic. You'd be really happy to jump on the best big at either 29 or 38.

You reckon we should use the compo pick this year if there's that much talent around 20-30+?

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

I think if we could of traded 2 of thursfield,mcguane,nahas for picks in the 40-50 range that would of just about completed the clean out.

What are your thoughts on farmer & gordon at our pick 46 & 50 TFLUA do you believe they will be around & would you like to see them at punt road with the mentioned picks.

also giles or cope at 63.

Hey mate - agreed that a few picks in that range would have been optimum. Don't think there was much chance of Nahas attracting a pick in that range though.

Farmer I've given my thoughts on a few times: I think I'd lock him away at 46 - definitely 50 if he's still there.

He's versatile and has really good footskills - I think he'd progress into a midfielder who can go forward and jag goals - and then go down back and cut out an opposition player but still provide run. I'm a real fan.

Only thing I'd worry about with Gordon is that lack of a yard of pace - I don't know if he's got good enough closing speed to play as a CHB at AFL level - and I'm a bit unsure on his contested marking up forward.

Snoop compared him to Brian Lake without the pace - he's certainly helped by being outwardly aggressive in his moves forward like Brian - I just don't know if there's enough in either position to take him at 50.

I think he could last till the rookie draft - or go 50+

I'm still a Phillips fan - and I think I'd even take Greenfell in front of Cope.

Haven't seen much of Giles this year - RFC would need to be convinced he'd improved since being cut from Port to take him.

You reckon we should use the compo pick this year if there's that much talent around 20-30+?

Now that's an interesting one. One at mid twenties this year - or lower than that in the early twenties in the 2012 draft. I think there's compelling arguments for both cases - and the decision was made based on there being an equally as exciting draft pool in 2012. You want to be continually bringing youngsters in - so I think it's a good ploy to bring another in early in 2012.

 

[Mr Magic]

You reckon we should use the compo pick this year if there's that much talent around 20-30+?

Well I have to say there isn't a great deal of argument for using the compo pick. It seems clear to me after pick 18 or so it drops off.

After this Steinberg, Horlin-Smith and B Wilson based on Phantom drafts may be a bit of value if we got lucky to be able to pick them up.

The rest are nothing special in terms of potential.

A lot of potential list cloggers.

I think, to be fair, we have more chance to pick up Polec at 6 instead of Lynch or others than using the compo pick which might not be a bad thing!

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Well I have to say there isn't a great deal of argument for using the compo pick. It seems clear to me after pick 18 or so it drops off.

After this Steinberg, Horlin-Smith and B Wilson based on Phantom drafts may be a bit of value if we got lucky to be able to pick them up.

The rest are nothing special in terms of potential.

A lot of potential list cloggers.

I think, to be fair, we have more chance to pick up Polec at 6 instead of Lynch or others than using the compo pick which might not be a bad thing!

Wow MM - you're a long way off the mark IMO - there's guys well after 18 who offer a lot.

I think it's a particularly deep draft - with the 12 GC players thrown back in it's scary deep.

I'm really worried about Wilson defensively - there's a lot to like about his attacking side.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Here's what I wrote up on Polec when I selected him at 6 in the Official Mock.

Jared Polec - 12/10 1992, 188cm, 77kg, Woodville-West Torrens/Seaton Ramblers

Polec gives Richmond exactly what they need - an outside runner with a laser pointer of a left foot and an ability to weave through traffic. He's a smooth mover, and a really nice height - the prototypical modern wingman. I've said Polec's outside, but not because his outside game is a worry. I think he could be an inside/out winger with few difficulties - but he's of more danger to the opposition in an outside role.

Polec's really a 70 m player - he'll run it 20 and kick it 50 - he'd work incredibly well with a lead up forward in the Tom Lynch mold - seeing him with the ball 80 out would be heaven for forwards.

There was a knock on his possession count earlier this year - but I think he's rectified that with big games in finals situations at SANFL level - the kid can rack up the touches, and is ready to play round 1. He's not seriously slight like Stephen Hill was, but he'll bulk up - the extra weight should make him a particularly scary unit both with and without the ball.

I've been on the bandwagon all year and I'm not about to get off now.

My rankings had:

1 - Swallow
2 - Day
3 - Polec
4 - Bennell
5 - Lynch
6 - Heppell

Lynch/Polec was lineball - and I agree with Foj that Lynch is Reiwoldt-esque, but the sheer hurt-factor of Polec with the ball brings me on onside. Kid is a player.

 

[Mr Magic]

Wow MM - you're a long way off the mark IMO - there's guys well after 18 who offer a lot.

I think it's a particularly deep draft - with the 12 GC players thrown back in it's scary deep.

I'm really worried about Wilson defensively - there's a lot to like about his attacking side.

Apart from those mentioned I see a lot of handy players but not a lot of potential diamonds.

Whether it is height, kicking , speed , endurance , size , competitiveness, reliability there are serious reasons why they are down the pecking order!

Doesn't mean they can't be handy but I can't see a Hird or Goodes plucked out of this lot. Steniberg offers the most potential in a role we have no current player for for me eg. a O' keefe type.

I am more and more coming to the view you largely pick for potential with the hope you get enough right, than go conservative and get a large handy group of list cloggers. For example if we had pick 10 we could gamble on Harper but at 6 he may be too much of a gamble. While Polec has also weaknesses is reliability and other attributes make him less of a gamble. If I was the recruiting department I would be testing Lynch on speed, jumping etc.. to test how much of a gamble this guy is. He could grow to 203cm and become a great but you just don't know as there are , to the outsider, many unknowns

 

[Spluff]

Doesn't mean they can't be handy but I can't see a Hird or Goodes plucked out of this lot.

Do you think anybody saw them during their own drafts? They went so late for a reason. This year is very strong for picking up talent late in the draft.

 

[UpTheGuts]

HS saying West Coast will take Darling at 4. Interesting.

Certainly would open up the options at 6

 

[richoatthedisco]

Do you think anybody saw them during their own drafts? They went so late for a reason. This year is very strong for picking up talent late in the draft.

Hird was hidden away by the Bombers but Goodes was BOG in the u/18s grand final. Clubs just stuffed up.

 

[bigstyletiger]

I've been back and forward on who we should take at 6 for weeks but I am going to lock in Tom Lynch. Don't think we can pass up this kid. He is a true CHF and we are crying out for one.

Obviously there is the argument that we have talls such as Riewoldt, Griffiths, Post, Vickery and Astbury but I don't think any of them are natural CHF's with the exception of Astbury, who is playing back. Lynch's height, tank, skills, ground level ability and fact that he has had only one year at TAC level, which he finished off strongly, means that he is a package that we may not be able to ignore.

If we go tall this year we will still have the opportunity of picking up mids with subsequent picks and in the next couple of drafts. Not to mention the fact that we have the compensation pick up our sleeve making it easier to trade for one.

 

[Mr Magic]

I've been back and forward on who we should take at 6 for weeks but I am going to lock in Tom Lynch. Don't think we can pass up this kid. He is a true CHF and we are crying out for one.

Obviously there is the argument that we have talls such as Riewoldt, Griffiths, Post, Vickery and Astbury but I don't think any of them are natural CHF's with the exception of Astbury, who is playing back. Lynch's height, tank, skills, ground level ability and fact that he has had only one year at TAC level, which he finished off strongly, means that he is a package that we may not be able to ignore.

If we go tall this year we will still have the opportunity of picking up mids with subsequent picks and in the next couple of drafts. Not to mention the fact that we have the compensation pick up our sleeve making it easier to trade for one.

BIGSTYLE, I just seen a different set of highlights on Lynch in this draft machine thing on the AFL website. IMO he is better than I initially thought based on movement and smarts. Clearly he was a midfielder before the growth spurt.

If Richmond pass on Lynch they have deadset rocks in their head. I have seen enough, Their may be a pace query or jump query but for me , like you said lock in Lynch!

 

[bigstyletiger]

Nice work Magic. I don't think i've seen that footage so will have a look.

A great deal of the mocks have us taking him. Although it's always tempting to add to the midfield I think this kid is the one.

 

[Mr Magic]

Nice work Magic. I don't think i've seen that footage so will have a look.

A great deal of the mocks have us taking him. Although it's always tempting to add to the midfield I think this kid is the one.

The thing is with Lynch, he is such a great fit for Richmond. WC and Gold Coast/Bris have other needs such as midfield etc.. but if we get Lynch we can play him at half forward , Griff at FF and JR off the chain running amuck deepish in the forward line creating havoc for the opposition team defences.

I really think from this latest footage , with what Lynch could bring to the Tigers specifically due to our list/makeup he is the perfect acquisition for the Tigers. We would literally be mad to let him slip further down the order!

 

[The RFC]

The thing is with Lynch, he is such a great fit for Richmond. WC and Gold Coast/Bris have other needs such as midfield etc.. but if we get Lynch we can play him at half forward , Griff at FF and JR off the chain running amuck deepish in the forward line creating havoc for the opposition team defences.

I really think from this latest footage , with what Lynch could bring to the Tigers specifically due to our list/makeup he is the perfect acquisition for the Tigers. We would literally be mad to let him slip further down the order!

I'm hearing ya mm
Lynchs highlights look really impressive and certainly fulfills our biggest need Lynch at hf also makes sense given Taylor has gone AWOL and his return is unknown

 

[bigstyletiger]

The thing is with Lynch, he is such a great fit for Richmond. WC and Gold Coast/Bris have other needs such as midfield etc.. but if we get Lynch we can play him at half forward , Griff at FF and JR off the chain running amuck deepish in the forward line creating havoc for the opposition team defences.

I really think from this latest footage , with what Lynch could bring to the Tigers specifically due to our list/makeup he is the perfect acquisition for the Tigers. We would literally be mad to let him slip further down the order!

I totally agree Magic. Griff, I have a feeling could be better suited as a leading full forward who can rotate to half forward and JR will be a nightmare match up for any second/third defender. With JR, Griff and Lynch opposition backlines would be forced to man up giving all of our forwards a much better chance of winning one on ones. In the latter stages of last season there were many times where JR was triple teamed. This would be a thing of the past if we draft Lynch.

In regards to Lynch's footage on the draft machine I was really impressed with his ability to protect the ball with his body and then take the ball at full stretch while still on the move. He also looks like he has great awareness and ability to create not to mention very sticky mits. Although he is 199cm he doesn't look like a David Hale straight line type but dare I say it, more of a Nick Riewoldt.

 

[tugga]

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