Analysis Drafting since 2005

[catman2006]

Now we all trust in Wells he brought us 3 premierships and not all players will be stars and only having 2 top 10 picks has really hurt, you can see we dont get much value out of the rookie draft but we need to get Wells more first round picks

2005 Pick 15 Travis Varcoe
31 Trent West
35 Stephen Owen
47 Ryan Gamble
61 Matthew Stokes
Rookie draft Todd Grima and Will Slade

2006 Pick 7 Joel Selwood
25 Nathan Djerrkura
41 F/S Tom Hawkins
57 Simon Hogan
Rookie Draft J Reynolds L Bedford J Davenport Tom Lonergan

2007 Pick 17 Harry Taylor
34 Dawson Simpson
44 Scott Simpson
50 Dan McKenna
60 F/S Adam Donahue
Rookie Draft B Moles, J Laidler, C Kangars, S Mumford

2008 Pick 15 Mitchell Brown
33 Thomas Gilles
39 Steven Motlop
49 Taylor Hunt
Rookie Draft A Varcoe,B Weadon, T Allwright,R Ediriwickrama

2009 Pick 17 Daniel Menzel
28 Mitch Duncan
40 Allan Christensen
42 Nathan Vardy
56 Josh Cowan
65 Jeremy Laidler
Rookie Draft J Weston, B Johnson, J Podsiadly J Stringer

2010 Pick 15 Billy Smeldts
23 Cameron Guthrie
37 George Horlin Smith
54 Jordan Schroder
58 James Podsiadly
Rookie Draft J Walker, G Burbury, J Simpkin, R Bathie

2011 Pick 32 R Hamling
34 Shane Kersten
48 Jordan Murdoch
66 Lincoln Mccarthy
78 Orren Stephenson
86 F/S Jed Bews
Rookie Draft C Eardley, J Sheringham, M Blicavs

2012 Pick 16 Jackson Thurlow
34 Hamish Mcintosh
72 Brad Hartman
92 Jesse Stringer
Rookie Draft None

2013 Pick 16 Darcy Lang
36 Jarred Jansen
41 Jake Kolodjashnij
Rookie Draft J Toohey, N Bourke, Z Bates M Luxford

 

[tkoajd12]

So 70 players drafted in 9 years and 33 still left on our list. Just under 50% I wonder if that would be the normal average across the competition


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[MC Extra Dollop]

Now we all trust in Wells he brought us 3 premierships and not all players will be stars and only having 2 top 10 picks has really hurt, you can see we dont get much value out of the rookie draft but we need to get Wells more first round picks

2005 Pick 15 Travis Varcoe
31 Trent West
35 Stephen Owen
47 Ryan Gamble
61 Matthew Stokes
Rookie draft Todd Grima and Will Slade

2006 Pick 7 Joel Selwood
25 Nathan Djerrkura
41 F/S Tom Hawkins
57 Simon Hogan
Rookie Draft J Reynolds L Bedford J Davenport Tom Lonergan

2007 Pick 17 Harry Taylor
34 Dawson Simpson
44 Scott Simpson
50 Dan McKenna
60 F/S Adam Donahue
Rookie Draft B Moles, J Laidler, C Kangars, S Mumford

2008 Pick 15 Mitchell Brown
33 Thomas Gilles
39 Steven Motlop
49 Taylor Hunt
Rookie Draft A Varcoe,B Weadon, T Allwright,R Ediriwickrama

2009 Pick 17 Daniel Menzel
28 Mitch Duncan
40 Allan Christensen
42 Nathan Vardy
56 Josh Cowan
65 Jeremy Laidler
Rookie Draft J Weston, B Johnson, J Podsiadly J Stringer

2010 Pick 15 Billy Smeldts
23 Cameron Guthrie
37 George Horlin Smith
54 Jordan Schroder
58 James Podsiadly
Rookie Draft J Walker, G Burbury, J Simpkin, R Bathie

2011 Pick 32 R Hamling
34 Shane Kersten
48 Jordan Murdoch
66 Lincoln Mccarthy
78 Orren Stephenson
86 F/S Jed Bews
Rookie Draft C Eardley, J Sheringham, M Blicavs

2012 Pick 9 Josh Caddy
16 Jackson Thurlow
34 Hamish Mcintosh
72 Brad Hartman
92 Jesse Stringer
Rookie Draft None

2013 Pick 16 Darcy Lang
36 Jarred Jansen
41 Jake Kolodjashnij
Rookie Draft J Toohey, N Bourke, Z Bates M Luxford

No value from the rookie draft? Leaving Lonergan (a pretty exceptional case) aside, I'm counting three premiership players, nine players still in the AFL, five that have played in AFL finals and twelve that played senior football after being rookie listed by Geelong. Considering that rookie picks are the equivalent of 100+ in the draft, considering that Geelong has practically never used these picks on other clubs' retreads (like, say, Richmond was in recent years with Ricky Petterd, Orren Stephenson, Aaron Edwards, Sam Lonergan...) and considering that at least two of our rookie picks played a big role for us in the 2014 finals and look to be probable 100+ game AFL players, I'd say we're doing quite well there.

That aside, I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this post. Why do we need to get Wells more first round picks? He's got a good record in the first round (though, it should be noted that - for a variety of reasons - we haven't taken a regular senior player in the first round since Harry Taylor). It seems to me that, considering the available talent, Wells generally does his best work around the 20-60 range of the draft.

Oh, and Caddy was not the ninth pick in the 2012 draft. He was traded by Gold Coast and cost us a pick somewhere in the 50s, plus a compensation pick that Gold Coast will utilise this year (#15).

 

[iameviljez]

So 70 players drafted in 9 years and 33 still left on our list. Just under 50% I wonder if that would be the normal average across the competition


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Not to mention that there hasn't been any room in our senior side to develop players until 2012.

 

[chris9753]

Although what the OP has stated is correct, Tom Lonergan is a bit more complex. He was originally drafted in 2002 (pick 23) and after his life threatening injury towards the end of 2006, Lonergan and the club agreed that it would be in his bests interests to delist him and then redraft him as a rookie. They hoped that no other clubs would draft him as at this stage it seemed unlikely he would play again. To Tom's credit he was rookied by the cats and has gone on to have an amazing career.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Geez the 2009 draft was strong, pity we only have duncan up and going from it, with Bundy gone and the rest unable to stay fit.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Geez the 2009 draft was strong, pity we only have duncan up and going from it, with Bundy gone and the rest unable to stay fit.

Agreed. Not Wells' fault there. I don't believe Vardy and Cowan had any significant injury history before coming to Geelong and I know for a fact Menzel didn't (because enough has been made of it), yet Menzel's baby brother has already overtaken him on games played (even with a few injury setbacks of his own) and Daniel may never even be able to catch Troy's current tally of 26.

2010 also looms as a sleeping giant, if Smedts ever gets his act together, Walker continues his trajectory from the last few weeks of 2014 and Simpkin becomes a walk-up senior player for GWS.

 

[catman2006]

No value from the rookie draft? Leaving Lonergan (a pretty exceptional case) aside, I'm counting three premiership players, nine players still in the AFL, five that have played in AFL finals and twelve that played senior football after being rookie listed by Geelong. Considering that rookie picks are the equivalent of 100+ in the draft, considering that Geelong has practically never used these picks on other clubs' retreads (like, say, Richmond was in recent years with Ricky Petterd, Orren Stephenson, Aaron Edwards, Sam Lonergan...) and considering that at least two of our rookie picks played a big role for us in the 2014 finals and look to be probable 100+ game AFL players, I'd say we're doing quite well there.

That aside, I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this post. Why do we need to get Wells more first round picks? He's got a good record in the first round (though, it should be noted that - for a variety of reasons - we haven't taken a regular senior player in the first round since Harry Taylor). It seems to me that, considering the available talent, Wells generally does his best work around the 20-60 range of the draft.

Oh, and Caddy was not the ninth pick in the 2012 draft. He was traded by Gold Coast and cost us a pick somewhere in the 50s, plus a compensation pick that Gold Coast will utilise this year (#15).

I think I was more stating that the club needs to be bold over next few years in drafting and trading if we are going to keep up a successful era and would like to see how Hawthorn and Collingwood have done in same time frame can imagine they had a few more first round picks.

 

[dazbroncos]

Geez the 2009 draft was strong, pity we only have duncan up and going from it, with Bundy gone and the rest unable to stay fit.

Cowan aint done yet….

If he can get a clean year, there may just be a good surprise there

GO Catters

 

[iameviljez]

I think I was more stating that the club needs to be bold over next few years in drafting and trading if we are going to keep up a successful era and would like to see how Hawthorn and Collingwood have done in same time frame can imagine they had a few more first round picks.

StKilda is almost the better comparison in terms of eras - came good in 2004, peaked one year after we did

 

[Scottland2007]

Motlop a steal at 39!

 

[Biggy_Boy]

We traded for Caddy.

 

[catman2006]

Yep Caddy was and no doubt 2008-10 our 1st pick probably the difference of having to top up as 3 players really havent got going, apologies to Menzel but doubt he will be same player

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Agreed. Not Wells' fault there. I don't believe Vardy and Cowan had any significant injury history before coming to Geelong and I know for a fact Menzel didn't (because enough has been made of it), yet Menzel's baby brother has already overtaken him on games played (even with a few injury setbacks of his own) and Daniel may never even be able to catch Troy's current tally of 26.

2010 also looms as a sleeping giant, if Smedts ever gets his act together, Walker continues his trajectory from the last few weeks of 2014 and Simpkin becomes a walk-up senior player for GWS.

What's your thoughts on Walker now that Clark and Stanley have come in? They're not all going to fit in the same team are they? also I may have missed something whilst being busy in the last few days but Simpkin and GWS?? I thought he was at Hawthorn. I too hope Smedts gets his act together.

 

[Jeff76]

08 was a shocker apart from Motlop

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

What's your thoughts on Walker now that Clark and Stanley have come in? They're not all going to fit in the same team are they? also I may have missed something whilst being busy in the last few days but Simpkin and GWS?? I thought he was at Hawthorn. I too hope Smedts gets his act together.

I think it's ridiculous. I think Walker deserved a clear run at locking down the CHF position following his end to 2014. I think there was going to be a logjam anyway, with the likely return of Vardy and the anticipated improvement of Kersten. I think Clark was too talented and too intriguing to pass up. And I think if the Cats are expecting to play Stanley as a second forward/second ruck, I can't see how trading pick #21 for him can possibly be justified.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I think it's ridiculous. I think Walker deserved a clear run at locking down the CHF position following his end to 2014. I think there was going to be a logjam anyway, with the likely return of Vardy and the anticipated improvement of Kersten. I think Clark was too talented and too intriguing to pass up. And I think if the Cats are expecting to play Stanley as a second forward/second ruck, I can't see how trading pick #21 for him can possibly be justified.

21 for Stanley leaves me uneasy and I mentioned that yesterday. So does Walker get left as a depth forward or is he used elsewhere on the field or as trade bait. He mustn't be too happy atm with recent developments, you mentioned Simpkin and GWS was that a typo or were you referring to someone else??

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

21 for Stanley leaves me uneasy and I mentioned that yesterday. So does Walker get left as a depth forward or is he used elsewhere on the field or as trade bait. He mustn't be too happy atm with recent developments, you mentioned Simpkin and GWS was that a typo or were you referring to someone else??

It should have been Walker's spot to lose heading into preseason, but I wasn't even confident that would be the case, with Vardy presumably back before new year. Now it's definitely not Walker's spot to lose and it may be another wasted year, from his perspective, unless there are more big injuries in that area. As for Simpkin, there were a few whispers that a trade to GWS was in the pipeline, which obviously didn't end up happening.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

again, why are people assuming Stanley will be a forward for us for most of the season?
Given we missed out on Frawley, it's a clear indicator that we wanted a defender and while Stanley is not Frawley, not even a permanent defender for that matter, he is a better option than the likes of Frost, M. Brown and even Jaksch who is still a year or so away.

Of course, the other factor could be Vards, we don't yet know but perhaps his knee isn't coming along as well as the doc had hoped and he may be another bad luck story? Something the Geelong footy club have been well accustom too in recent years.

Maybe because his manager Scott Lucas mentioned it on sen. Also hinted that Blicavs may spend time in the back half.

 

[Willo_]

again, why are people assuming Stanley will be a forward for us for most of the season?
Given we missed out on Frawley, it's a clear indicator that we wanted a defender and while Stanley is not Frawley, not even a permanent defender for that matter, he is a better option than the likes of Frost, M. Brown and even Jaksch who is still a year or so away.

Of course, the other factor could be Vards, we don't yet know but perhaps his knee isn't coming along as well as the doc had hoped and he may be another bad luck story? Something the Geelong footy club have been well accustom too in recent years.

Every Saints fan i have seen says he is not a defender, so hopefully they are either wrong or he isn't going to play there.

I think Huddo said on SEN he did some digging and found out they expect to play him in the ruck?

I would like to see Hamling and ColaJazzKnee ( ) be rotated or given games as the 3rd tall.... while the Rivers, Mackies, Enrights and Dommsys get rested and rotated...
I have no idea if that will happen though

 

[dazbroncos]

Every Saints fan i have seen says he is not a defender, so hopefully they are either wrong or he isn't going to play there.

I think Huddo said on SEN he did some digging and found out they expect to play him in the ruck?

I would like to see Hamling and ColaJazzKnee ( ) be rotated or given games as the 3rd tall.... while the Rivers, Mackies, Enrights and Dommsys get rested and rotated...
I have no idea if that will happen though

Hammer mores than Kolo but he MUST be given games this year and several in a row. I reckon he will be good for us but he must get a go. Kolo has more time but if he's showing up then he's out there too. Rivers and Mackie won't and should not play every game.

Go Catters

 

[Willo_]

Yeah agree. I really like Hammers attack on the ball, I remember the NAB cup last year when we had to go to Perth for those 2 short games... I hadn't really seen him before and the 1st thing I noticed was how hard he goes at the ball, so I hope with another pre-season under his belt that his body is more ready for it... because I don't think his attack on the ball is anything to worry about, but him being able to cope with it is another thing

 

[catman2006]

We have still playing 23 out of 42 picks since 07 which is a 54.7 % success rate, really need Wells to hit at least 2-3 long term players this draft.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

When you see all the guys who never made it either with us or as AFL players generally you begin to see how hard it is to find gems with later picks in the draft as we have had from 2007 onwards. Wells hasn't been quite as successful in recent times given what he has had to work with.

 

[Vdubs]

Although what the OP has stated is correct, Tom Lonergan is a bit more complex. He was originally drafted in 2002 (pick 23) and after his life threatening injury towards the end of 2006, Lonergan and the club agreed that it would be in his bests interests to delist him and then redraft him as a rookie. They hoped that no other clubs would draft him as at this stage it seemed unlikely he would play again. To Tom's credit he was rookied by the cats and has gone on to have an amazing career.

Which is what I hoped would happen with Menzel.
The delisting, redraft as a rookie, and go on with career part!