Drugs/doping in AFL

[Diehard Saint]

But I assume that Essendon will be allowed to bring all their players back should that happen.

It's all purely speculation but the bombers list would be full whilst we
Would still have a spot....just looking for a silver lining to an AFL decision that was such a double standard!

 

[Kildonan]

I had a source some years ago who claimed to know things about the Collingwood FC. Around the time of the drawn GF, I was told that they were using hGH. Later another (albeit less credible) source also suggested the same thing. These sources were from separate cities and had no relationship to each other. I posted something about the possibility of Collingwood's hGH usage at the time and was widely pooh poohed.
Later the same (more reliable) source indicated that Collingwood FC used private detectives and other sources to build up and keep a file of wrongdoings on every other club in the league. When they had the misfortune to have negative publicity, they would release information from their file about another club to obfuscate their own bad press.

The cooperation of the media is bought by the dirt they have on someone else. The media are not able to downplay some of Collingwood's actions but the media can put greater emphasis on the other clubs' wrongdoings.
This makes me suspicious about the Hawthorn rape issues currently not receiving the publicity that is its due.

Police investigation of two Hawthorn players continues
Matt Thompson February 23, 2016 1:10 PM

A POLICE investigation into sexual assault claims against two Hawthorn players is continuing more than four months after it was first reported.

A Victoria police spokesperson confirmed to AFL.com.au that the investigation "remains ongoing".

Last month media speculation suggested police were on the verge of dropping the case but to this point it remains active.

The club has previously confirmed two players, one of which is a premiership player, are cooperating with the police investigation.

No charges have been laid.

Detectives from the Box Hill Sex Offences and Child-Abuse Investigation Team are leading the investigation.

The two players were interviewed by police on October 20.

It's understood police are also reviewing CCTV footage as part of their inquiry.

Police received a complaint about an alleged sexual offence in the Melbourne suburb of Ashwood on October 9 – six days after Hawthorn's historic premiership three-peat.

Hawthorn declined to comment.

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[sauce_head]

Meanwhile swan and clokes old boys story has been put firmly and fastly to bed....

It's good to control the media.

 

[Nutsngum]

Meanwhile swan and clokes old boys story has been put firmly and fastly to bed....

It's good to control the media.

What story? That they sent naked pictures to people?

 

[Joffaboy]

Suspended drug cheat Heppel will be doing guest appearances on AFL 360 confirming that the show is a mouthpiece and apologist for cheating in sport.

Next up Lance Armstrong to take over from Phil Liggett as the voice of the Toure de France.

Unbelievable

 

[plugger66]

Suspended drug cheat Heppel will be doing guest appearances on AFL 360 confirming that the show is a mouthpiece and apologist for cheating in sport.

Next up Lance Armstrong to take over from Phil Liggett as the voice of the Toure de France.

Unbelievable

Why shouldn't he be on it? And surely you comparing him to Armstrong is a joke. The players are suspended from playing, not watching, not commentating. Maybe wada need new rules otherwise he has every right. Rather him than others who don't have a clue about the game


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[Joffaboy]

Why shouldn't he be on it? And surely you comparing him to Armstrong is a joke. The players are suspended from playing, not watching, not commentating. Maybe wada need new rules otherwise he has every right. Rather him than others who don't have a clue about the game


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So you think it is ethically OK to have a disgraced illegal drug user who is currently suspended to front a TV show on the sport he has tarnished

Do you ever see Ben Johnson on a show about athletics?

Floyd Landers on cycling?

Any of the drug cheats in swimming commentating on races in the pool?

You may have lower standards than what I consider right, but the guy is a suspended drug cheat.

Talk about the AFL being a insular small pond laughing stock

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So you think it is ethically OK to have a disgraced illegal drug user who is currently suspended to front a TV show on the sport he has tarnished

Do you ever see Ben Johnson on a show about athletics?

Floyd Landers on cycling?

Any of the drug cheats in swimming commentating on races in the pool?

You may have lower standards than what I consider right, but the guy is a suspended drug cheat.

Talk about the AFL being a insular small pond laughing stock

I guess it depends what the show do with him.

 

[sauce_head]

What story? That they sent naked pictures to people?

Just comparing it to the story that broke regarding our players and the difference in media attention.

 

[plugger66]

So you think it is ethically OK to have a disgraced illegal drug user who is currently suspended to front a TV show on the sport he has tarnished

Do you ever see Ben Johnson on a show about athletics?

Floyd Landers on cycling?

Any of the drug cheats in swimming commentating on races in the pool?

You may have lower standards than what I consider right, but the guy is a suspended drug cheat.

Talk about the AFL being a insular small pond laughing stock

Good examples again. Unlike you I don't think Carlisle or any of the others are disgraced illegal drug users but that's ok if you need to use overally emotive words to make a point. And I'm not lowering anything. You are taking the high and mighty road for some strange reason.

I take it you think these people should never comment on any sport ever again?

 

[Joffaboy]

Good examples again. Unlike you I don't think Carlisle or any of the others are disgraced illegal drug users but that's ok if you need to use overally emotive words to make a point. And I'm not lowering anything. You are taking the high and mighty road for some strange reason.

I take it you think these people should never comment on any sport ever again?

Couple of issues P66.

1) Did I say they never should comment on sport again? Shane Warne disgraced himself and the game by using banned drugs but now commentates. At least he served his time before taking commentating. This Essendon cheat was banned a month ago.
2) Are they not suspended for using performance enhancing drugs, just like Ben Johnson, Floyd Landis etc.
3) I am not holier than thou, just that I don't like cheats getting airtime especially when one of the hosts is an Essendon mouthpiece.

You have shown that you think that the players actions are OK. That's your prerogative and perhaps your standards, I don't know. Facts are they have been banned from sport for cheating by using performance enhancing drugs.

And if you don't think that has disgraced the sport, you will never think anything is disgraceful. Up to you what you think, but most of the football supporting world think drugs in our game are disgraceful.

 

[sauce_head]

Good examples again. Unlike you I don't think Carlisle or any of the others are disgraced illegal drug users but that's ok if you need to use overally emotive words to make a point. And I'm not lowering anything. You are taking the high and mighty road for some strange reason.

I take it you think these people should never comment on any sport ever again?

They are meant to be suspended from the AFL and seek no association with their club. So an official engagement as an AFL representative during that suspension time does not sit well with many and is probably yet another example of the AFL attempting to minimise the impact of the ban, or avoid it together. It makes one question the point of an integrity team at all.

 

[plugger66]

Couple of issues P66.

1) Did I say they never should comment on sport again? Shane Warne disgraced himself and the game by using banned drugs but now commentates. At least he served his time before taking commentating. This Essendon cheat was banned a month ago.
2) Are they not suspended for using performance enhancing drugs, just like Ben Johnson, Floyd Landis etc.
3) I am not holier than thou, just that I don't like cheats getting airtime especially when one of the hosts is an Essendon mouthpiece.

You have shown that you think that the players actions are OK. That's your prerogative and perhaps your standards, I don't know. Facts are they have been banned from sport for cheating by using performance enhancing drugs.

And if you don't think that has disgraced the sport, you will never think anything is disgraceful. Up to you what you think, but most of the football supporting world think drugs in our game are disgraceful.

Yes it is my standards back in 2012 because that was just about every footballers standards back then. As I have said many times I saw 16 footballers take stuff that they had no idea was in it because the club told them too and the mantra back then was trust the club, they wont do anything harmful to you. And not once ever had I said that PEDS aren't anything but disgraceful and you know that JB.

I can understand why the public are upset about this but the real people effected are the players from other clubs. Most would agree with that yet every player I have heard speak on this feels the Essendon players and have said they would have done the same thing. I would have spoken to maybe 10 current or ex players about this and a couple of current coaches and they say they feel for the players and also say they would have done the same. They are inside the industry. None of us are. They know the mantra of trusting the club. We have no idea. Does that mean they couldn't be found guilty? Well obviously not but it shows the power the clubs have on players so I think the words you used are overally emotive and the examples you used are ridiculous because you have picked the worst of the worst drug cheats. The players from other clubs who were effected by Essendons cheating only feel sympathy. I will go with them and if that is my standard then I'm happy to have that back then. It isn't my standard now and it isn't the current players standard now.

By the way they are still drug cheats after they finish their suspension so I would have thought you wouldn't want them on a footy show after that. Should they be allowed to go to the footy as a spectator because they may look bad as well?

 

[plugger66]

They are meant to be suspended from the AFL and seek no association with their club. So an official engagement as an AFL representative during that suspension time does not sit well with many and is probably yet another example of the AFL attempting to minimise the impact of the ban, or avoid it together. It makes one question the point of an integrity team at all.

They are employed by fox footy not the AFL.

 

[sauce_head]

They are employed by fox footy not the AFL.

But appearing as an AFL representative.

 

[sauce_head]

They are employed by fox footy not the AFL.

I understand your perspective, I just don't agree with it!

 

[Joffaboy]

The issue is not 2012 or what other players think.

The issue is a player currently suspended for 2 years, backdated a year for taking banned substances will commentate on the game.

Totally inappropriate. The player Cheated and is now doing the time.

Don't know where you get that I want them punished for all time. They haven't been banned for life and once they have done their suspensions they have paid their debt.

I can't abide what Essendon players did. If they are such victims why did they hide the injecting Regime during routine drug tests?

You comfortable with banned drugs in the AFL and want to make excuses for drug cheats? Up to you mate

 

[plugger66]

The issue is not 2012 or what other players think.

The issue is a player currently suspended for 2 years, backdated a year for taking banned substances will commentate on the game.

Totally inappropriate. The player Cheated and is now doing the time.

Don't know where you get that I want them punished for all time. They haven't been banned for life and once they have done their suspensions they have paid their debt.

I can't abide what Essendon players did. If they are such victims why did they hide the injecting Regime during routine drug tests?

You comfortable with banned drugs in the AFL and want to make excuses for drug cheats? Up to you mate

So you resort to the last line because why? Cheap likes or something. Please don't make up rubbish like that. And I think its fine to commentate on the game so we care to disagree. All I know is I will be listening and watching when like it and you wont. I'm sure neither of us will be better or worse off for either decision. And get used to more banned players being in the media. Monfries is in the media in Adelaide and I think Jobe will be too.

 

[Simple Jack]

Yes it is my standards back in 2012 because that was just about every footballers standards back then. As I have said many times I saw 16 footballers take stuff that they had no idea was in it because the club told them too and the mantra back then was trust the club, they wont do anything harmful to you. And not once ever had I said that PEDS aren't anything but disgraceful and you know that JB.

I can understand why the public are upset about this but the real people effected are the players from other clubs. Most would agree with that yet every player I have heard speak on this feels the Essendon players and have said they would have done the same thing. I would have spoken to maybe 10 current or ex players about this and a couple of current coaches and they say they feel for the players and also say they would have done the same. They are inside the industry. None of us are. They know the mantra of trusting the club. We have no idea. Does that mean they couldn't be found guilty? Well obviously not but it shows the power the clubs have on players so I think the words you used are overally emotive and the examples you used are ridiculous because you have picked the worst of the worst drug cheats. The players from other clubs who were effected by Essendons cheating only feel sympathy. I will go with them and if that is my standard then I'm happy to have that back then. It isn't my standard now and it isn't the current players standard now.

By the way they are still drug cheats after they finish their suspension so I would have thought you wouldn't want them on a footy show after that. Should they be allowed to go to the footy as a spectator because they may look bad as well?

So drug cheating is ok as long as it's institutionalised?

Guess the East Germans are golden then? I mean, they have the mantra of trusting their coaches.

Unbelievable...

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Tone down the personal attacks if you two want to continue this conversation

 

[plugger66]

So drug cheating is ok as long as it's institutionalised?

Guess the East Germans are golden then? I mean, they have the mantra of trusting their coaches.

Unbelievable...

The east germans had a history of drug cheating. The AFL basically had none. And you must really not think much of our players either. I know at least 16 who had no idea what they were putting in their body but just trusted the club because there was no history of drug cheating. Of course they wouldn't do it now because there is a history. Surely it isn't that hard to understand the difference between the AFL and East Germans.

 

[Diehard Saint]

They are meant to be suspended from the AFL and seek no association with their club. So an official engagement as an AFL representative during that suspension time does not sit well with many and is probably yet another example of the AFL attempting to minimise the impact of the ban, or avoid it together. It makes one question the point of an integrity team at all.

Nailed it! It's definitely not a good look.

 

[gringo2011]

I think the AFL has failed to ,make a strong stand against Essendon. The way they have handled it looks wrong, they have backed Essendon and the players against the baddies at WADA. It looks like condoning the way Essendon has done business with the AFL rushing to help pay, negotiating for them and helping out any way possible to minimise inconvenience to them. They should have made a strong stand and had them sit out for 12 month despite the huge cost to them financially. Instead they sold out their integrity. Heppell should be kept out the media in the same way the AFL should take a harder stand.

 

[dewah07]

its still so strange to me we didn't get the option to void the trade, fairly sure we would have even if we were going to pick gresh at 5.

just seemed odd tbh.

 

[Simple Jack]

The east germans had a history of drug cheating. The AFL basically had none. And you must really not think much of our players either. I know at least 16 who had no idea what they were putting in their body but just trusted the club because there was no history of drug cheating. Of course they wouldn't do it now because there is a history. Surely it isn't that hard to understand the difference between the AFL and East Germans.

If our players were perfectly happy to go and and get injections on the proviso that:
1. They keep it a secret from everyone.
2. They especially keep it a secret from the team doctor.
3. They need to go offsite to get them.
4. They definitely don't mention it to ASADA, but tell them you had a panadol.

Yes. I would not think anything of our players, let alone 'not much'.

Wilful ignorance is no excuse for cheating.