DT 2011 Backs Thread

[RedFeather]

Alright guys, I've found the back line to be the hardest to pick in my opinion. I need a bit of help and opinions on some of the players I'm considering, it'd really help.

This is my current backline: Gibbs/Gilbert/Deledio/Broughton/Duffield/Otten/Heppell (Toy, Puopolo, Duigan)

Of my backline, the players I'm definite on keeping in the side are Gibbs, Deledio, Broughton.

The players I'm pretty sure on keeping in the field are Otten and Heppell.

Then I have Gilbert and Duffield, who I'm not too sure on. Gilbert obviously for the off-field incidents and Duffield because he is pretty inconsistent and I'm thinking he could be tagged more this year. Yet there aren't many defenders to choose from.

I've got $30k to spend, and I can get more if needed. Should I keep Duffield and Gilbert? Or should I consider Grimes/Rawlings/Scotland/Enright?

Edit - I should mention that I DO have Goddard in my midfield, so I can DPP with the other Mid/Def players in my backline. Another possibility is moving Goddard into the backline? Then having a decent midfielder in replacement for Gilbert? Doing this will mean I cannot use DPP between my defenders and midfielders.

 

[Hu$tler]

Every single backline is exactly the same

Any1 getting Carrazzo? Seems pretty cheap!

 

[WeninRome]

Can I ask why people seem to be picking both Gibbs and Heppel in the backs?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Agree with weninRome. I have actually been doing the same except that was because ive kept Jacobs in my team (CBF changing it right now) in my mids. So people have to understand that Heppell is going to be a midfielder not a back, unless you will look to go DPP later on which i just do not understand especially with the rounds of 4-7 with some very prominant teams.

Im going to pick a midprice unique in the backs, thats for sure. Have 2 in mind and dont know if i want 4 premium backs or 3 premium backs.

 

[Jolldo87]

Agree with weninRome. I have actually been doing the same except that was because ive kept Jacobs in my team (CBF changing it right now) in my mids. So people have to understand that Heppell is going to be a midfielder not a back, unless you will look to go DPP later on which i just do not understand especially with the rounds of 4-7 with some very prominant teams.

Im going to pick a midprice unique in the backs, thats for sure. Have 2 in mind and dont know if i want 4 premium backs or 3 premium backs.

That's your opinion mate, not a fact. There's no reason why picking Heppell in the backs couldn't work.

 

[Wheedus]

Agree with weninRome. I have actually been doing the same except that was because ive kept Jacobs in my team (CBF changing it right now) in my mids. So people have to understand that Heppell is going to be a midfielder not a back, unless you will look to go DPP later on which i just do not understand especially with the rounds of 4-7 with some very prominant teams.

Im going to pick a midprice unique in the backs, thats for sure. Have 2 in mind and dont know if i want 4 premium backs or 3 premium backs.

As far as B/M rookies go, at this stage Heppel looks the most likely to play Rd 1. I initally had him in the BACKs but structure works better for me having him in the MIDs - in one scenario on the ground as starting 6th MID and in another, on the bench. Either way, he's the link to Goddard, Gibbs & Lids.

However, there may prove to be good reasons for starting him in the BACKs. To a large extent, it'll be driven by where the best rookies with JS are. If there are a lot of MIDs, then you'll probably stick Heppel in the BACKs and not worry about DPP. If you're hell bent on the DPP link, then start Goddard as a MID, use the DPP coverage during 4, 5 and 6 and then once Heppel hits his max you swap him back to the MIDs and do your upgrade.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Yeah i was thinking about this yesterday. I want DPP i mean i can only see advantages in it. The backline ATM can be seen to have just as many decent rookies ATM that should get early games, fram what ive seen,heard and researched as the midfield.

Having said that i struggle to find room for him in the mids, it might mean a change of structure. Although im looking at 3 GC rookies mids. 1 DPP B/C (heppell), 1 DPP F/C (Callinan). Thats how i see it ATM.

The rounds of 4-7 could destroy teams so any cover to keep you in the race will be needed. Just my opinion obviousily.

You cant back this sort of thing up with facts really, just your gut feeling and thats my opinion.

It might be different for other people but im selecting alot of coolingwood, geelong, stkilda, buldog players.

 

[Benno_900]

DP links through your mids should be vital this season. I've already identified it as my team's saviour in round 4.

I've got Heppell in the mids ATM. I think there are better cheap back rookies than there are mid rookies anyway. Also got two M/F on the mids bench as added insurance since I've got quite a few M/F premiums.

 

[Papa Juggs]

It's very tempting to pick Lids.

Is there really going to be better? Gilbert, Mackie, Dufffield? Can they outscore him?

 

[samwise]

It's very tempting to pick Lids.

Is there really going to be better? Gilbert, Mackie, Dufffield? Can they outscore him?

I would definitely have Deledio ahead of Gilbert who has too much uncertainty in his position.

The same would go with Mackie although I think he has the potential to have a better season than Lids just because of the possibility of a new role with a new coach and game plan. However I would comfortably pick Lids ahead of him.

Duffield is very similar to Deledio. Plays a sweeping role and can get tagged. Duffield is in the better team although it isnt too important for backmen. I have Broughton which is mainly why I picked Deledio ahead of Duffield but both should end up with very similar averages by the end of the season.

I think the main reason everyone is picking Deledio ahead of players like Mackie, Duffield and Gilbert is his dual position capability. Gilbert, Mackie and Duffield are all in big bye rounds but arent DPP (well Gilbert is but in the forward line which most people dont have a player to switch with) which could cost some points from having to play your 2nd or even 3rd back emergency compared to your 1st or 2nd midfield emergency if you also have backmen like Enright or Broughton.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Agree good post Samwise

Deledio has DPP, hes a required back 7 and his byes are late in the season. So he cant really be brought in after a bye, thus good to start with. He has exceptional durability and you know what your gonna get from him, plus possible upside. He may move into the midfield sometime during the year and may cop less attention with up and coming Richmond guns. So i see upside there plus he is a better player than his avg suggest.

 

[lmach]

any suggestions for a rookie defender?

 

[borrat]

really really hoping along with everyone that jacobs will have played his 2nd game by the time heppell is good to go

and same with watson really hope carlton dont play him to early

 

[Godzke]

DP links through your mids should be vital this season. I've already identified it as my team's saviour in round 4.

I've got Heppell in the mids ATM. I think there are better cheap back rookies than there are mid rookies anyway. Also got two M/F on the mids bench as added insurance since I've got quite a few M/F premiums.

Apart from Toy, Puopolo, Duigan, Heppell and Otten ... who else are you looking at?

ps: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/108272/default.aspx

Statement of intent from young Talia or just idle conjecture?

 

[The Edukator]

Which dual combo of these 4 players would you guys lean towards

Enright, Mackie, Broughton and Duffield.

I think the obvious choice would be to with 1 from geelong and 1 from fremantle in order to stay safe during bye rounds.

the price difference between E and M is 16300

B and D is 7100

the total diff between most expensive duo and least is and extra 23400 in the bank


also how would you rank this banklines strength if it contained:

Gibbs Deledio Gilbee +

(2 of the above players mentioned) +

Otten Heppell

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Yeah you need to ask yourself Broughton vs Duffield??

and

Enright vs Mackie

These have been explained before so maybe youll find some good talk on them if you have a look especially in regards to Broughton vs Duffield.

But it comes down to your opinon, otherwise your getting feed who to pick.

Makes sure you look at durability, byes, teams strength, DPP?, previous history, age, will they get tagged, preseason, will they be top 15 for backs (only if your going for overall ranking) and future role ect are some good things to look at when deciding which premiums to pick.

However ill comment on your structure, it seems sound. Very guns rookie. Ie no midpricers. Having 5 premiums and 2 rookie backs may be the ideal strategy. Some people think the back rookies are more impressive than the mid rookies. I think the mid rookies are still better and will score more but i can certainly see that the gap ATM seems pretty close between the 2.

I personally am going to try and pick 1 or 2 midpricers in the backs. Because im starting Heppell in the midfield for DPP. He was my 2nd starting "rookie priced player", now i shall only have one.

 

[Buddyman]

for mine you have to start goddard (I no you've heard it before), he simply will be that far in front of every other defender it is bridging on insanity leaving him out. If you have him in the midfield I also disagree with this as I reckon DP's should be cheaper players but thats my two cents and there isn't a major difference if you intend to bring GOD into the backs at some stage...

Other than Goddard I think that would be a very strong backline. I have doubts over the selection of Gilbee but you may no something i don't. Unless he became a full time midfielder I don't see much upside in him.

As for who I would go out of those four...
I would rank them in the following order;
1)Broughton- out of this group he has the most potential to take his game to the next level. There is also talk of him acheiving more midfield time which is a major positive. Of course the denote on him is his injuries. It's a risk, but it may well be one worth taking.
2)Enright- very very close and really I can't split him and Duffield. Both got durability with Enright possibly having a bit more potential to jump his average up, with the GAJ departure. Others have said he may drop which I see could be a possibility, if so ever slightly. People forget last year was his best dt season though. Can't handle a tag is the major negative.
3)Duffield- Can't see him improving other than a point or two on last years average, but his durability over the last two seasons make him a very 'safe' pick. Can get lowish scores when he gets a hard tag which means at some stage his price will be relatively cheap. Depends what your after but no doubt a solid keeper in the backline this year.
4)Mackie- An interesting prospect and he can rise to at least 2nd on this table after his NAB I would say. He has been a dt superstar and potential role change/game plan change may suit him a lot of potential but he did get dropped last year. A real watch and see prospect because he can be an ultra ****ty dter if he tries. Should be interesting...

Hope that helps mate
Enright, Mackie, Broughton and Duffield.

 

[Benno_900]

Apart from Toy, Puopolo, Duigan, Heppell and Otten ... who else are you looking at?

A few GC rookies (Coad, Danny Stanley, Hine, Tape).

Also Faulks and Hibberd could get early games.

 

[Godzke]

Had Coad. But I hear he's down the pecking list as a KPB. Haven't heard of Faulks name before.

 

[Blues_FC]

Had Coad. But I hear he's down the pecking list as a KPB. Haven't heard of Faulks name before.

TBH, Coad looked shit in NAB R1. If he keeps that up, he won't be in the team for long. Plus, he has the worst haircut in the AFL (apart from Daisy).

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

TBH, Coad looked shit in NAB R1. If he keeps that up, he won't be in the team for long. Plus, he has the worst haircut in the AFL (apart from Daisy).

Liam Jurrah says "hey fella".

 

[The Edukator]

thx for the adive. fwiw i have goddard in the MID. Him and Gibbs/Deledio matched together so really doesnt matter where they start because they are all in the team

 

[yogibbear]

FUD.

 

[Childish Gambino]

Liam Jurrah says "hey fella".

Underrated post.

 

[Benno_900]

Had Coad. But I hear he's down the pecking list as a KPB. Haven't heard of Faulks name before.

He should be their starting FB.

That said, if Hibberd or Hine look likely to get early games, I'll bring one of them in and switch Heppell to the backs. I just want a B/M link in the mids.