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DT Mids 2012

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He did at times, but i think it will happen more this year. He came home with a bang after being asked to do better. More contributors in the middle means he will be relied upon less to carry the midfield. He can sneak forward, still get touches but kick a few at the same time.

Surrounded with Redden, Rich and Black, he won't attract any more attention than normal. Rocky also usually goes head to head with another mid rather than get tagged. If he does, you could push him forward to shake the tag too. I'd rather tag Rich if i was the opposition coach, i think he can do more damage with each possession.
 
chopperduck said:
He did at times, but i think it will happen more this year. He came home with a bang after being asked to do better. More contributors in the middle means he will be relied upon less to carry the midfield. He can sneak forward, still get touches but kick a few at the same time.

Surrounded with Redden, Rich and Black, he won't attract any more attention than normal. Rocky also usually goes head to head with another mid rather than get tagged. If he does, you could push him forward to shake the tag too. I'd rather tag Rich if i was the opposition coach, i think he can do more damage with each possession.
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Every mid does it. However the onballers do it much more. Guys who play wing like Stanton, Daisy, Griffen, S.Hill, Gaff ect they tend to rotate off the ground but play on the ground for longer periods. These guys usually have massive tanks thus played in the wide open fields and spaces.

Im not sure what role Rockliff played last year but inside word is he will play the exact same role. Was he wing or became more of the starting 3 in the guts last year? I didnt follow him enough.
 

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Stanton seems to be flying under the radar to me.
Get rid of his injury when he was subbed at half time and he averaged 110. On top of that averaged 118 in the 2nd half of the season.
Rockliff and Redden have risk from uncertainty and their ability to handle what should be a few more tags this season.
Players like Selwood are likely to be rested at some stage this season whilst others like Watson have injury risks.
Stanton seems like a very viable option who will also save some money that I haven't seen anyone talk about.
 
samwise said:
Stanton seems to be flying under the radar to me.
Get rid of his injury when he was subbed at half time and he averaged 110. On top of that averaged 118 in the 2nd half of the season.
Rockliff and Redden have risk from uncertainty and their ability to handle what should be a few more tags this season.
Players like Selwood are likely to be rested at some stage this season whilst others like Watson have injury risks.
Stanton seems like a very viable option who will also save some money that I haven't seen anyone talk about.
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I took Stanton from the start last year and was happy with how he ****ted up DT all of last year. I think our midfield as a whole has been overlooked - ever since Zaha started under performing people just looked the other way, Watson has a good chance of improving heavily on his score and to me it seems Hird has been focusing on building our midfield up. If you were to pick Watson or Stanton as a midfield unique I think you could do a lot worse... hopefully we will get to see a bit more of them this weekend.
 
anyone still considering hayes after the head knock and limited preseason game time?
 
James said:
I could be wrong here but I'm sure I read somewhere that Rocky only averaged around 75% TOG last year? Perhaps he will rest forward a bit more this year instead of resting on the bench?
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Keystone agony said:
81-82% pretty standard for a mid last year

Edit: Im certainly considering Watson.
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If you're going to correct me, please refrain from pulling stats out of your arse.

Rockliff actually averaged 73% TOG in 2011 which is slightly lower than what I remember reading.

See AFL live stats below.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player&playerids=19994

The other interesting one is Joel Selwood. Only 65% TOG last year! The lowest of the 2011 DT top 10 mids, Rocky was second lowest with 73%.

That is a huge difference in game time compared to the other top mids of last year who all averaged 80%+ TOG!

Swan 82%
Pendles 81%
Boyd 88%
Ablett 81%
Rockliff 73%
Mitchell 83%
Murphy 85%
Selwood 65%
Redden 83%
Thompson 87%

If you compare Rockliff & Selwood's overall DT averages last year taking into account their low TOG averages in comparison to the other top mids, they are by far the best value for money picks out of the super premium mids.

Certainly have scope for improvement on their 2011 averages if they can manage 80-85%+ TOG this season potentially lifting their averages by 5ppg at the least, even with heavier tags.
 
James said:
If you're going to correct me, please refrain from pulling stats out of your arse.

Rockliff actually averaged 73% TOG in 2011 which is slightly lower than what I remember reading.

See AFL live stats below.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player&playerids=19994

The other interesting one is Joel Selwood. Only 65% TOG last year! The lowest of the 2011 DT top 10 mids, Rocky was second lowest with 73%.

That is a huge difference in game time compared to the other top mids of last year who all averaged 80%+ TOG!

Swan 82%
Pendles 81%
Boyd 88%
Ablett 81%
Rockliff 73%
Mitchell 83%
Murphy 85%
Selwood 65%
Redden 83%
Thompson 87%

If you compare Rockliff & Selwood's overall DT averages last year taking into account their low TOG averages in comparison to the other top mids, they are by far the best value for money picks out of the super premium mids.

Certainly have scope for improvement on their 2011 averages if they can manage 80-85%+ TOG this season potentially lifting their averages by 5ppg at the least, even with heavier tags.
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Joel Selwood only 65% TOG :eek: I knew it was a little lower because of the KO game at the start of 2011, but woah that is very low! As captain you'd expect to see him play every week, should easily lift his TOG % to mid 80s this year
 
GiantForce said:
Joel Selwood only 65% TOG :eek: I knew it was a little lower because of the KO game at the start of 2011, but woah that is very low! As captain you'd expect to see him play every week, should easily lift his TOG % to mid 80s this year
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109 DT average from 65% TOG is phenomenal

If you take out the game where he was KO'd his season TOG would still have only been around 70% and his DT average would have been 114.

Going by that formula, he should be good for at least a 120 DT average if he can get that TOG over 80%

The same principle could also apply to Rockliff, if he can take his 2011 73% TOG average to 80-85%, it could potentially turn last seasons 112 DT average into 120+ this year.

So if you start with Rockliff, Selwood & Ablett (and all average 120+ which is more than likely) you don't really need to start with Swan, Pendles & Boyd....would also save around 100k on their combined starting prices.
 
contemplating one of montagna or hayes. Or should i just pick ablett instead of those 2 and downgrade coniglio to a cheaper rookie?
 
formula16 said:
contemplating one of montagna or hayes. Or should i just pick ablett instead of those 2 and downgrade coniglio to a cheaper rookie?
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You'd be mad not to start with Ablett this year. His starting price is as cheap as it's going to be all season.
 

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James,

Good post regarding the TOG stats for Selwood.

One thing to keep in mind though, that low TOG may be by design. i.e., we can't just assume that his TOG% will all of a sudden jump into the 80s. Selwood isn't a 2nd year player, this will be his 6th season. I hope you're right but i do wonder why his TOG % is so low and i do wonder why it would all of a sudden take a big leap?
 
formula16 said:
whats your reasoning for this? ablett's already one of the super premiums isnt he?
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My reasoning is that his price is based on his 2011 season average of 112 which is misleading. Yes he is already a super premium, but he should be the #1 super premium (#2 at the very least)

If you take into account that he averaged 118.8 & 119 in 2009 & 2010 and that he had a very limited pre-season last year in a new franchise playing with a bunch of kids, as well as taking account that he was injured early in one of those games, his 2011 DT average is not indicative of his season & overall scoring potential.

With a full pre-season and a year under GC combined belts, his average should be back up to close to 120 this year. At 45k less than Swan & 23k less than Pendles, he should be the first player picked in every serious DTmers squad this season.
 
footylover18 said:
James,

Good post regarding the TOG stats for Selwood.

One thing to keep in mind though, that low TOG may be by design. i.e., we can't just assume that his TOG% will all of a sudden jump into the 80s. Selwood isn't a 2nd year player, this will be his 6th season. I hope you're right but i do wonder why his TOG % is so low and i do wonder why it would all of a sudden take a big leap?
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Good point footylover18. My rationale regarding more TOG for Selwood this year is that he is now Captain and more of an on field presence could be expected, especially with Ling being retired now. If he's physically up to it, I don't see any reason why he would play less than 80% TOG this year. Cats midfield is a lot less experienced this year, they would want his 5 years experience out there as much as possible I would think.

Also Selwood's TOG in 2010 was 82%. So last years much lower TOG % may just have been an anomaly based on the injury affected game & not being 100% fit in a few other games.
 
James said:
My reasoning is that his price is based on his 2011 season average of 112 which is misleading. Yes he is already a super premium, but he should be the #1 super premium (#2 at the very least)

If you take into account that he averaged 118.8 & 119 in 2009 & 2010 and that he had a very limited pre-season last year in a new franchise playing with a bunch of kids, as well as taking account that he was injured early in one of those games, his 2011 DT average is not indicative of his season & overall scoring potential.

With a full pre-season and a year under GC combined belts, his average should be back up to close to 120 this year. At 45k less than Swan & 23k less than Pendles, he should be the first player picked in every serious DTmers squad this season.
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i see, good points.
but still, back to my original question, should i go with hayes or montagna for a 5th mid? i've managed to fit 4 other prem mids including ablett but im not sure if i should go with hayes or montagna for the 5th spot or if i should pick a rookie instead
 
formula16 said:
i see, good points.
but still, back to my original question, should i go with hayes or montagna for a 5th mid? i've managed to fit 4 other prem mids including ablett but im not sure if i should go with hayes or montagna for the 5th spot or if i should pick a rookie instead
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I can't answer that without being biased, as I have Montagna as my 5th mid.

Cotchin & Mzungu are 2 others that I'm considering for M5 ATM. Monty has the job right now but who knows before Rd 1.

I would wait and see on Hayes...bit too risky right now. If he smashes it the first 3 rounds you could always downgrade a possible non performing premo mid after Rd 3 for Hayes, pocket the cash and do a very early upgrade elsewhere..
 

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Interesting about Selwood's TOG. I had him all of last year and was very happy when he actually played!

But right now my 4 premo mids are Swan, Pendles, Boyd and Ablett - so who do i drop to Selwood??
 
nameless said:
Interesting about Selwood's TOG. I had him all of last year and was very happy when he actually played!

But right now my 4 premo mids are Swan, Pendles, Boyd and Ablett - so who do i drop to Selwood??
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Any one of Swan, Pendles or Boyd. Personally I'm taking the punt and starting Selwood over Swan this year. Gives me an extra 60k which has gone towards starting 2 super premium rucks. (Cox & Mummy)
 
James said:
You'd be mad not to start with Ablett this year. His starting price is as cheap as it's going to be all season.
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Well that is just plainly untrue.

Every premium, every year has a relatively bad game. All it will take is a little niggle for Ablett to be subbed early on in a game and his price will be smashed for the next three price changes.

Lets not pretend we know how things will pan out this year. The reality is there are numerous players who have the potential to average 115+ now as opposed to the past where Ablett/Swan have been head and shoulders above the rest.

I currently have Ablett as I think he presents moderate upside at that price but I have very little doubt he will fall below his current price at some stage this season.
 
Didak_Fan88 said:
Well that is just plainly untrue.

Every premium, every year has a relatively bad game. All it will take is a little niggle for Ablett to be subbed early on in a game and his price will be smashed for the next three price changes.

Lets not pretend we know how things will pan out this year. The reality is there are numerous players who have the potential to average 115+ now as opposed to the past where Ablett/Swan have been head and shoulders above the rest.

I currently have Ablett as I think he presents moderate upside at that price but I have very little doubt he will fall below his current price at some stage this season.
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Your entitled to your opinion. It's just my opinion, but I think Ablett will rise in price before dipping again. Can't see him dropping below his starting price though. We'll just have to wait and see who's right...
 
James said:
My reasoning is that his price is based on his 2011 season average of 112 which is misleading. Yes he is already a super premium, but he should be the #1 super premium (#2 at the very least)

If you take into account that he averaged 118.8 & 119 in 2009 & 2010 and that he had a very limited pre-season last year in a new franchise playing with a bunch of kids, as well as taking account that he was injured early in one of those games, his 2011 DT average is not indicative of his season & overall scoring potential.

With a full pre-season and a year under GC combined belts, his average should be back up to close to 120 this year. At 45k less than Swan & 23k less than Pendles, he should be the first player picked in every serious DTmers squad this season.
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Whats your thoughts on Ablett based on the comments below?

James said:
No way I would spend 402k on player from a bottom 2 club
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