DT Mids 2012

[nameless]

Which midfield is better??


Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Jack Trengove, Rory Sloane, Luke Shuey, Dayne Zorko
Luke Brown, James McDonald

or

Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Thompson, Michael Barlow, Dayne Zorko, Luke Brown
James McDonald, Lenny Hayes


P.S. this was done before Barlow and his leg...could swap for several players of the same price if need be

That's an interesting one - short answer I'd definitely go 2nd choice, but may even have one more rookie for Barlow/Hayes...?

 

[yogibbear]

Which midfield is better??


Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Jack Trengove, Rory Sloane, Luke Shuey, Dayne Zorko
Luke Brown, James McDonald

or

Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Thompson, Michael Barlow, Dayne Zorko, Luke Brown
James McDonald, Lenny Hayes


P.S. this was done before Barlow and his leg...could swap for several players of the same price if need be

That is a silly choice. The 2nd midfield costs significantly more than the 1st. I would be more concerned with both structures and how they affect the rest of your team.

 

[nameless]

I'm not overly sure of how the price changes are working this year...but am i silly to have Swan, Pendlebury, Boyd and Ablett all in the same team?

I like the way my team looks, but am just thinking that maybe i'm spending too much having the 4 most expensive guys...

 

[Keystone agony]

I'm not overly sure of how the price changes are working this year...but am i silly to have Swan, Pendlebury, Boyd and Ablett all in the same team?

I like the way my team looks, but am just thinking that maybe i'm spending too much having the 4 most expensive guys...

Yep surely your paying top dollar for all of them. They will all become cheaper, just how much well we dont know. I think you need to start a few of them but not all, hopefully you pick the guys that dont drop much in coin and the guys you dont pick drop a bit and you snap them up 50-100k cheaper. Are you picking Barlow with this lot?

It really depends on your philosophy i mean some people will say midfield premiums take almost 2 downgrades to get the money for these elite premiums and their price volatility is far less than other positions. However im one that doesn't believe in picking players at top price, unless i see improvement in a midfielder elite top 4 like these blokes i wont pick them even if it means i think they could drop by 1-3 points in avg. I guess you could argue you see potential upside in all of them and if thats the case than you have every right to pick them. For me i like Ablett and Swans potenital improvement. Pendlebury continues to be in better and better nick as preseasons go past, im still flabbergasted how teams dont worry about tagging him as much as they should. So im waiting for the day when he will cop a serious tag, will next year be the year or do teams see it easier to shut Thomas out of games on a wing as he seems to rely on uncontested/outside footy more so than Pendles/Swan.

Also not sure if you had looked at the magpies draw but going into the bye round ala first 11 rounds, they have a very nice run and than a hard one on the way home. So you could get a jump start by having both Swan and Pendles. For me Swan is my automatic even though i said i wouldnt pick him, his first 11 rounds run is too easy not to pick and hes the highest score ala captain.

I have Pendles as my 4th picked for the round 12 premium mids, I will be starting only 3 in that area from R12, so he misses out.

 

[nameless]

Yeah that's the thing i see upgrading to these guys being a really hard task as they are just so expensive, but i was just wondering if maybe this year it will be easier to upgrade to them?

I've been given various stories about how price changes work this year.

I'd be very surprised to see these 4 outside the top 5-6 come end of year and the bulldogs also have a good first half to the year...so hard to leave Boyd out. Also highly durable so could finish highest points scorer.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well i dont think we have seen the MN (Magic number) as high as this before ever in a season or maybe a long time ago. Does that mean it has the ability to drop more in percentage terms, thus meaning higher price fluctuations, im not sure.

Good question but.

I always like finding value in no matter who i pick, even if its Dane Swan. I like picking the 2 premium magpie midfielders as it could give you a massive jump start with the easy draw. Alot of teams have some very easy runs, ive studied hard who gets the easiest runs ect as i think it will be so important to get a leg up in the first 11 rounds where people will be trading far less, than come during the byes people will trade similar and upgrade to similar guns on the run home as their will be no effect of the byes.

I hope im not getting to caught up in the byes.

Does Brendan McCartney former geelong man adopt a similar resting formula to the cats or is that all Brad Scott, the year he wasnt at the cats? What will McCartneys game plan be?

 

[A Bit High]

That is a silly choice. The 2nd midfield costs significantly more than the 1st. I would be more concerned with both structures and how they affect the rest of your team.

Have 4 keepers down back and 4 keepers in forwards plus 2 keeper rucks.

Cheaper option allowed 1 extra keeper in forwards

 

[Taylor]

..or does Nathan Buckley walk into the top job and say: "Just do what Mick said last year."?

I don't think so. He will have his own pets and plans. I think throwing $1,100,000 at two Collingwood midfielders, at this stage of the preseason, is a big gamble to be taking.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting them to suddenly drop to a 90 point average but I can't tell you they will be playing like they were under the previous coach.

 

[nameless]

..or does Nathan Buckley walk into the top job and say: "Just do what Mick said last year."?

I don't think so. He will have his own pets and plans. I think throwing $1,100,000 at two Collingwood midfielders, at this stage of the preseason, is a big gamble to be taking.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting them to suddenly drop to a 90 point average but I can't tell you they will be playing like they were under the previous coach.

He's obviously going to want them to each improve...so shouldn't that mean more points?

Can't see there being much reason to change the way the brownlow medallist plays.

 

[Taylor]

I would expect that younger players will be asked to spread the workload around the team more, not necessarily a lot, but I think Buckley will want to put his mark on the team by nurturing a couple of young Pies into key roles in the team.

 

[nameless]

IMO, the best way for Buckley to make an impression is premierships, best way to do that is get the ball into Pendlebury's hands and allow Swan to continue his Brownlow ways.

I agree he'll have some new plans and ideas, but I can't see out affecting the big 2.

 

[Keystone agony]

I agree with Taylor.

Its like putting all your eggs into one basket. What happens if Buckleys game plan is far less disposals? He will no doubt want them to improve but that doesn't necessarily mean more stats or more goals, it might mean having a bigger impact on games and become more damaging something Swan could possibly work on.

 

[Scrads]

I agree with Taylor.

Its like putting all your eggs into one basket. What happens if Buckleys game plan is far less disposals? He will no doubt want them to improve but that doesn't necessarily mean more stats or more goals, it might mean having a bigger impact on games and become more damaging something Swan could possibly work on.

Or the flipside, what if Buckleys game plan is MORE disposals and it turns Swan into some sort of 130-average absolute MONSTER ?

 

[nameless]

Or the flipside, what if Buckleys game plan is MORE disposals and it turns Swan into some sort of 130-average absolute MONSTER ?

shh - the more people who get off him the better for people like us who keep him


The way i think about it, if i was in a draft and i got the #1 pick - i would obviously pick Swan straight away.

 

[Keystone agony]

Depends if you had a salary cap or not Nameless, otherwise everyone would pick the most expensive.

Thats what im saying scrads you need to watch the NAB to see if you can pick up on his change whether it means more posses or less, more pressure or less, more long kicks or less ect ect

 

[old_poly]

Well apparently it was laziness that stopped his high scoring and nothing seems to have changed for him...so i'm going to stay away.

That is just one person's opinion, but meh, there's plenty of options in the mids

If he is lazy under Sanderson I don't think he will even get a game. When Vince played his best footy he was fit and strong and made it to a lot of contests. FWIW I think he will return to better form and scoring this year.

I think that the Geelong physicality will come to Adelaide with Sanderson and create better contested ball winners and stronger bodies (already has). Vince should improve, especially if Dangerfield spends time in the midfield (which I think he will) - he is an outside player that will benefit from improvement from the likes of Sloane and Danger.

Personally, I don't see enough value in Vince to be jumping on DT wise. Priced akwardly at 400k he would pretty much need to hit a 105+ average to be value as mid 5/6 and I don't think he'll get there. Averaged 100 in 2009 and I think he is more like a 90/95 avg this year.

My opinion only, but as someone following the crows progress in pre-season might be useful info to some...

ps. Dangerfield is in a better position to be bought as a mid-pricer if you want to take the risk on a mid priced Crows midfielder, but he won't be in my team either.

 

[portetdaspet]

Has anyone else had to come to terms with removing Barlow from their teams? His $100k+ discount was so tempting, but there are reports now that he may miss the whole NAB Cup. Even if he is named for Round 1, it would be so hard to pick him. I thought he was a lock all summer, but for now he isn't a member of my team. My original structure was 3 premiums + Barlow. This leads me to alternatives:

1. Replace him with a similar priced ultra premium hopeful. By doing this I think you will have this player all year, barring injury or horrible form.

I think Lenny Hayes will have a good year for the Saints, but am not certain he can average much over 100. I also feel that he may be injured/rested quite a bit and games played is just as important as average. If we assume a rookie replacement can get 70 then players give up (average-70)/22 points per week for every game missed. So if Lenny, or any premium, misses 5 games that drags his effective average down 8-10 points per week.

I've seen some teams with Luke Shuey at M4, but am not sold on him as a Dter. He seems to be the sort of player that can hurt you with disposal and win a game for you with 15-20 touches, not the sort of DT gold who can rack up 125 points without having a big impact. He's a pass for me.

There are some others as well, but all seem risky. I feel for a mid priced at over $350k, you want their average to be upwards of 105 this year. Otherwise, you may be giving away 10-20 points per week later to the guy that has Sam Mitchell at M6.

2. Replace him with a rookie and use the money to upgrade other lines.

I don't mind this play, depending on the JS and scoring abilities of the MID rookies. If you can find 5 gun mid rookies then doing this will allow you to only have to start 1 or 2 rookies elsewhere on the ground. However, you have 3 big upgrades to do later.

3. Find another $120k-150k and replace him with an ultra premium.

For now this is what I have gone with as my team looks good with a strong starting midfield. This gives you the best chance of getting a perfect midfield ASAP which can net you over 800 points on average. There are so many good players this year it makes it hard not to go with 4.

 

[nameless]

Find 50k and get Montagna

 

[James]

Find 50k and get Montagna

^ this I just can't see Montagna averaging under 100 again this season. He has the perfect game for DT. If Lenny can get through the season and play the majority of games, then Montagna benefit most and hopefully average 110+ again.

Also, I'm considering one of Jack Trengove and/or Trent Cotchin as a starting M4 or M5 to have a break out DT year and average 105-110+

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Any love for Rhys Palmer?

 

[Blues_FC]

Any love for Rhys Palmer?

The only spuds I love are the ones you turn into french fries.

 

[Falchoon]

Has anyone else had to come to terms with removing Barlow from their teams? His $100k+ discount was so tempting, but there are reports now that he may miss the whole NAB Cup. Even if he is named for Round 1, it would be so hard to pick him. I thought he was a lock all summer, but for now he isn't a member of my team. My original structure was 3 premiums + Barlow. This leads me to alternatives:

1. Replace him with a similar priced ultra premium hopeful. By doing this I think you will have this player all year, barring injury or horrible form.

I think Lenny Hayes will have a good year for the Saints, but am not certain he can average much over 100. I also feel that he may be injured/rested quite a bit and games played is just as important as average. If we assume a rookie replacement can get 70 then players give up (average-70)/22 points per week for every game missed. So if Lenny, or any premium, misses 5 games that drags his effective average down 8-10 points per week.

Lenny Hayes - In the first 5-6 rounds he's not going to average more than 66% game time. It's also very doubtful he'll play all 5-6. I'd say he's priced around his mark but may be worth looking at after about rd 7.

 

[Falchoon]

Any love for Rhys Palmer?

absolutely

75 points in 64% game time 2 years ago. 65 in 75% game time last year. Priced at 65

The Gold Coast experience says the GWS mature bodied players will get game time whilst the youngsters are rotated and subbed - and he knows how to get his hands on the ball.

Wouldn't touch him in SC though.

 

[Apollo2011]

Jason Tutt, anyone?

 

[portetdaspet]

Jason Tutt, anyone?

He looks a reasonable player, but averaging anywhere near 90 this year is a pipe dream.