DT Mids 2012

[Keystone agony]

Removing a R12 prem in the mids (Barlow) and replacing with a R13 premium mid really stuffs with my structure. I might need to try and find the money for Pendlebury now.

 

[Taylor]

Any love for Rhys Palmer?

Watching his game against the Bulldogs was a real wake-up call. I don't think he hit a single target by foot.

Now it's not whether or not he will get the ball, I'm sure opposition coaches will encourage him to have as much space as he likes to receive and deliver, it's whether the coaches can stand to keep him playing in the middle when he gives the ball back so much.

The young GWS players need a lot to go right as it is for a strong impact, but with a senior player kicking it over their heads or at their toes, I expect they'll get pretty frustrated and the coaches might look to someone else.

I thought Rhys would be a lock for me this year, but there are much better players on that team will push him out and some of them haven't played an AFL game yet.

 

[Hawkas1988]

I see no talk or love for players like Murphy, Boyd or S. Mitchell.

Any reason for not many people picking these players earlier?

Also has anyone got Deledio or Goddard in their midfield? I can't find any real good rookies who are mid/def so I feel like I have to have goddard in middle with lids in backline

 

[Spider Klein]

I see no talk or love for players like Murphy, Boyd or S. Mitchell.

Any reason for not many people picking these players earlier?

Also has anyone got Deledio or Goddard in their midfield? I can't find any real good rookies who are mid/def so I feel like I have to have goddard in middle with lids in backline

Love all 3 of those players but you can't start 6 premium mids so some have to be upgrades. They are likely missing out to Swan, Pendles and Ablett but they will be great solid picks and by end of year I expect they will owned heavily.

As for Goddard in mids I personally don't like picking premium backs in the middle. They are premium backs and Average midfielders and while the DPP link is good you want them both starting anyway so why swap them around, it doesn't matter especially when they have the same bye round anyway. If one is injured it might help cos you can play a mid or back rookie but really planning for injuries is way too hard.

The use of DPP is best used in rookies and lower priced players as their JS is usually not as high and they can be swapped around to fill in for each other as needed. Unfortunately DEF/MID rookies are not standing out like they did last year. Much easier to get the MID/FOR link though

 

[nameless]

I see no talk or love for players like Murphy, Boyd or S. Mitchell.

Any reason for not many people picking these players earlier?

Also has anyone got Deledio or Goddard in their midfield? I can't find any real good rookies who are mid/def so I feel like I have to have goddard in middle with lids in backline

What's the reasoning behind having a def/mid taking a midfielders spot? I thought with the new DPP trade rule it kinda eliminated the necessity to have that? is it for byes?

As for those 3 gun mids - I've had Murphy and Boyd in and out of my team, pretty settled with my gun mids so don't think they'll end up in.

As for Mitchell he will be one of the higher avg players, but i find he misses too many games with Hamstring related soreness, or back injuries or just being rested.

I just hate the prospect of a 115 point player sitting on the bench with a weak injury.

 

[Keystone agony]

Boyd and Mitchell pretty much cant see much difference between last year compared to this year for both of them. I think Boyd will likely get about 10-20% more attention that last year, but thats very small and i also think the dogs are on the down hill even though some think otherwise. I guess injuries play a big part for the dogs and how successful they are, they scored very well on the weekend so the game plan under new coach McCartney could involve an improve in scoring.

For me Murphy has a greater increase in attention after his impressive last season. Judd has had an interrupted season, is getting older and older i think teams will sometimes see it better to tag the more outside, running forward of play type footballer rather than the guy who is going to win 15 contested pills a game and 10 clearances a game no matter who is on him. Judd is becoming like Black for me.

My scoring range for the 3 players
Boyd 112-116 (could be 118 if i see the dogs increasing the scores like they showed in the NAB)
Mitchell 112-114 (really hard to give a reason why his will change at all, for me the only one is he continues to adapt to attention and handles a tag better and better as years go on)
Murphy 106-111 (cant see him improving, just because of that increase in attention and Juddy getting older)

 

[believe_it]

Has anyone else had to come to terms with removing Barlow from their teams? His $100k+ discount was so tempting, but there are reports now that he may miss the whole NAB Cup. Even if he is named for Round 1, it would be so hard to pick him. I thought he was a lock all summer, but for now he isn't a member of my team. My original structure was 3 premiums + Barlow. This leads me to alternatives:

1. Replace him with a similar priced ultra premium hopeful. By doing this I think you will have this player all year, barring injury or horrible form.

I think Lenny Hayes will have a good year for the Saints, but am not certain he can average much over 100. I also feel that he may be injured/rested quite a bit and games played is just as important as average. If we assume a rookie replacement can get 70 then players give up (average-70)/22 points per week for every game missed. So if Lenny, or any premium, misses 5 games that drags his effective average down 8-10 points per week.

I've seen some teams with Luke Shuey at M4, but am not sold on him as a Dter. He seems to be the sort of player that can hurt you with disposal and win a game for you with 15-20 touches, not the sort of DT gold who can rack up 125 points without having a big impact. He's a pass for me.

There are some others as well, but all seem risky. I feel for a mid priced at over $350k, you want their average to be upwards of 105 this year. Otherwise, you may be giving away 10-20 points per week later to the guy that has Sam Mitchell at M6.

2. Replace him with a rookie and use the money to upgrade other lines.

I don't mind this play, depending on the JS and scoring abilities of the MID rookies. If you can find 5 gun mid rookies then doing this will allow you to only have to start 1 or 2 rookies elsewhere on the ground. However, you have 3 big upgrades to do later.

3. Find another $120k-150k and replace him with an ultra premium.

For now this is what I have gone with as my team looks good with a strong starting midfield. This gives you the best chance of getting a perfect midfield ASAP which can net you over 800 points on average. There are so many good players this year it makes it hard not to go with 4.

Shuey I reckon is a lock in. He is gonna be a big numbers player in the future and a bit of a star. He is extremely skillful .

 

[CrozaN]

Don't think Brent Stanton or Matt Priddis have been mentioned at all ITT.

Could both be a great unique pick! Both coming off their best years yet. Interesting that there isn't much talk about these guys.

 

[nameless]

Don't think Brent Stanton or Matt Priddis have been mentioned at all ITT.

Could both be a great unique pick! Both coming off their best years yet. Interesting that there isn't much talk about these guys.

I have Priddis in my SC side.

Stanton i just don't trust, he used to be one of the best, but i think others have overtaken him.

I did hear he played injured last year - so as you say, could be a great unique.

 

[Keystone agony]

Plenty of possible good uniques in the mids

Priddis, Boyd, Rocky, Redden, A.Swallow (very little mentioned him, Ziebell may get tagged ahead of him), NDS, Mitchell, Watson.

All are good options IMO but just have a few good ones ahead of them.

 

[CrozaN]

I have Priddis in my SC side.

Stanton i just don't trust, he used to be one of the best, but i think others have overtaken him.

I did hear he played injured last year - so as you say, could be a great unique.

In 2011 Stanton actually had his best year DT wise, averaging 107, which is 7 points more per average from his 2nd best year in 2009. To me thats a considerable improvement. Maybe Zaha spending more time in the midfield has freed Stanton up a little bit? I don't know but he has upside IMO.

Priddis is also a good pick. Dude is a tackling machine, finished 2nd (behind his team mate Scott Selwood) in the comp last year with 193 tackles, an average of 7.7 per game. Improved his DT average by 12 from 2010 (93.5) to 2011 (105.4). Now i doubt he will repeat that this year, but it shows he is growing as a player.

Both these guys i recon will be great unique picks.

Throw Redden/NDS in there as well. They also haven't been talked about much either.

 

[Keystone agony]

Its hard to find many midfielders in that top 20 that didnt improve from previous years or at the very least stay the same.

Either they were playing for GC or??

 

[borrat]

Boyd and Mitchell pretty much cant see much difference between last year compared to this year for both of them. I think Boyd will likely get about 10-20% more attention that last year, but thats very small and i also think the dogs are on the down hill even though some think otherwise. I guess injuries play a big part for the dogs and how successful they are, they scored very well on the weekend so the game plan under new coach McCartney could involve an improve in scoring.

For me Murphy has a greater increase in attention after his impressive last season. Judd has had an interrupted season, is getting older and older i think teams will sometimes see it better to tag the more outside, running forward of play type footballer rather than the guy who is going to win 15 contested pills a game and 10 clearances a game no matter who is on him. Judd is becoming like Black for me.

My scoring range for the 3 players
Boyd 112-116 (could be 118 if i see the dogs increasing the scores like they showed in the NAB)
Mitchell 112-114 (really hard to give a reason why his will change at all, for me the only one is he continues to adapt to attention and handles a tag better and better as years go on)
Murphy 106-111 (cant see him improving, just because of that increase in attention and Juddy getting older)

good points but the thing with murphy is his amazing consistency and very rarely gets shit scores

 

[liam_13]

Mitchell, Selwood, Ablett, Boyd vs Pendlebury, Murphy, Ablett, Thompson

Which group?

Or actually, just best combo of the 7 named?

 

[Keystone agony]

good points but the thing with murphy is his amazing consistency and very rarely gets shit scores

Yeah but that doesnt mean he will improve on his avg

Sure he might score between 95 - 118 all year and still end up with a 107 avg

 

[Blues_FC]

Mitchell, Selwood, Ablett, Boyd vs Pendlebury, Murphy, Ablett, Thompson

Which group?

Or actually, just best combo of the 7 named?

Ablett > Pendlebury > Boyd > Thompson = Murphy = Selwood = Mitchell

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

Mitchell, Murphy or Selwood?

 

[Keystone agony]

Mitchell, Murphy or Selwood?

For me Selwood has the most upside purely because of his injury/sub affected games last year. Hes priced at 109.2 but really should be priced at 114.4. Since last year the cats have lost Ling in the midfield, i dont think that will effect or impact Joel Selwood too much so i expect him to avg 114. Was weird how he didnt get tagged as much as i thought he would last year with GAJ.

Mitchell avg 112 last year and i cant really see anything changing from last year to this year for Mitchell.

Murphy is the only one i can potentially see downside in. For me the amount of games he gets tagged in again increases and with the modern shift to tagging outside players instead of inside players (Judd) than he could cop more attention. Hes very consistent and having said all this Judd probably had his best or close to his best year last year aswell. He is getting older.

106-111 avg

 

[CrozaN]

For me Selwood has the most upside purely because of his injury/sub affected games last year. Hes priced at 109.2 but really should be priced at 114.4. Since last year the cats have lost Ling in the midfield, i dont think that will effect or impact Joel Selwood too much so i expect him to avg 114. Was weird how he didnt get tagged as much as i thought he would last year with GAJ.

Mitchell avg 112 last year and i cant really see anything changing from last year to this year for Mitchell.

Murphy is the only one i can potentially see downside in. For me the amount of games he gets tagged in again increases and with the modern shift to tagging outside players instead of inside players (Judd) than he could cop more attention. Hes very consistent and having said all this Judd probably had his best or close to his best year last year aswell. He is getting older.

106-111 avg

I think Selwood will actually get more attention this year, had a great year last year without Ablett, which i think will lead to oppositions paying closer attention to him now. He will still be a 110+ average player, but i have a feeling he won't get as much space as he did in previous years. Although saying that maybe with the new role as captain Selwood will take it to a new level.

With Murphy i don't think he will attract MORE attention with Judd still up and firing. Judd will always attract the no.1 tag, oppositions would be stupid not too. Also from all reports Murphy has been absolutely tearing apart the pre-season and with an improving Carlton side, i think he has room for improvement.

Either way all 3 picks are a safe bet this year.

 

[Keystone agony]

I thought the same last year Crozan in regards to Selwood being tagged. Teams didnt seem to bother too much about him, he was still the number 1 tagged cat but didnt target him as i thought they would. They preferred to go head to head, maybe sides saw a defensive hole in his game similar to Goddard and thought they could cause damage going the other way.

 

[yogibbear]

They preferred to go head to head,

Yes they did. And it was effective. They took him out of the game!

 

[Keystone agony]

Yes they did. And it was effective. They took him out of the game!

I know its a stupid comment and i should reply, clearly you didnt read my entire post, but...

Going head to head doesn't have an aim to "take the player out of the game" it has an aim to beat them one on one and coaches mainly do this because they see a defensive deficiency in the opponents armour. Goddard is a classic case.

 

[CrozaN]

I know its a stupid comment and i should reply, clearly you didnt read my entire post, but...

Going head to head doesn't have an aim to "take the player out of the game" it has an aim to beat them one on one and coaches mainly do this because they see a defensive deficiency in the opponents armour. Goddard is a classic case.

Boyd is a classic case as well. He usually goes head to head. Oppositions don't really tag Boyd, rather they just play one of their best midfielders on him so they can do battle against each other, without any game plan to shut that player down.

 

[joeyavalanche]

trying to get the perfect mix for my rookie mids.

ive elected to pick swan, pendles, ablett and hayes as my big 4.
then was going to fill the rest + the bench with rookies.

who are just auto lock-in for rookie mid positions?

its heartbreaking watch a guy you think will dominate get dropped after round 1 and all of your opponents are quickly making cash off their success!

 

[yogibbear]

I know its a stupid comment and i should reply, clearly you didnt read my entire post, but...

Going head to head doesn't have an aim to "take the player out of the game" it has an aim to beat them one on one and coaches mainly do this because they see a defensive deficiency in the opponents armour. Goddard is a classic case.

No I did read your post and I agree with it, I was just quoting you out of context because it sounded hilarious. Only way to beat Selwood is to knock him out of the game. Concussion rule be damned.