Duckers Issue

[Miguel Sanchez]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I don't really think validation from Gieschen counts for much.

Feel free to point out a free kick or two from the weekend that was incorrect then.

 

[Big Kahuna Boot]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

..ducking the head in and of itself isn't too dangerous, it's when a player goes forward with their head down that's where the danger really is.. ..as for the high number of head-high tackles garnered by wce players.. ..tough t***ies.. ..alot of the instances shown are clear high tackles.. ..if a player swings their arms out at almost shoulder-height, you're tackling an opponent too high, if you don't initially catch them high, a slight movement in the tackle will see a barely legal tackle shift high with ease.. ..players need to tackle lower around the body, instead of shoulder height.. ..it's that simple..

 

[CatFan79]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

The onus is on the umpires to not call it. As soon as they stop blowing the whistle the players will stop doing it.

Didn't think I'd read this from a Hawks supporter.. How the tide has changed..

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Feel free to point out a free kick or two from the weekend that was incorrect then.

The throw called against North.

I watched "It's Your Call". I loved him describing the act of filtering out yellow and replacing it with magenta to determine whether Mayne's goal was a goal as 'new technology'. That's been around since the late 80s. Looked like the software they'd used to do it was that old too. The segment's a bit of a joke, in one instance he says Buddy has a natural arc, in another he says Ballantyne's arc run up shot for goal was play on. The bloke's a fool.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I wonder if we'll see more of it from Hawthorn in the coming weeks. I suspect not if the umpires change their interpretation of it, but Geish doesn't see a problem at the moment.

Geish would have made a wonderful captain of the Titanic. The whole football world understands ducking into tackles is rampant .. but as usual, Giesh can't see the problem.

I think all players (and certainly coaches) should be made to view the Neil Sachse incident in 1975 to see just how easy it is to receive serious injury by ducking the head. If ducking remains acceptable, then it WILL happen again, there's nothing more certain.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

The throw called against North.

I meant a head-high free kick obviously. That throw call baffled everyone. Did Giesch get asked to explain it?

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I meant a head-high free kick obviously. That throw call baffled everyone. Did Giesch get asked to explain it?

Nope. I don't really place much value on that segment. It's used to play down the umpiring criticism of the week then issue a soft mea culpa about another decision to make it look like the whole thing is serious.

 

[Marlin01]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

..ducking the head in and of itself isn't too dangerous, it's when a player goes forward with their head down that's where the danger really is.. ..as for the high number of head-high tackles garnered by wce players.. ..tough t***ies.. ..alot of the instances shown are clear high tackles.. ..if a player swings their arms out at almost shoulder-height, you're tackling an opponent too high, if you don't initially catch them high, a slight movement in the tackle will see a barely legal tackle shift high with ease.. ..players need to tackle lower around the body, instead of shoulder height.. ..it's that simple..

And if players do revert to tackling around the waist we'll see the player with the ball able to handball correctly and all the throws we are currently seeing will stop and the game will be all the better for it. Not to mention a reduction in players' heads hitting the ground because their arms have been pinned to their bodies.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Nope. I don't really place much value on that segment. It's used to play down the umpiring criticism of the week then issue a soft mea culpa about another decision to make it look like the whole thing is serious.

Well I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm still waiting to learn of one head-high free that shouldn't have been paid to us on Sunday.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

the implications of this are quite simple:

The Ump Supremo has publicly acknowledged that there is a problem with free kicks being "accentuated" and played for. Of course he's backed his team that they've made the right decision, but in essence he has publicly signalled that they are aware of what's going on, and you can bet your bottom dollar interpretations are going to shift in light of this.

 

[W.C. Fry]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Its no wonder these hawks players are cheating. They have been doing it for decades. Johnny Platten would throw his hair back at every opportunity to con the umps into paying high contact.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I think the Cyril incident is different to those raised against the West Coast blokes. Cyril was putting the head down and trying to barge through. It was a poor decision, should have been play on (or htb if he got wrapped up - so long as it was around the shoulders and not a headlock). In the WC incidents, the tackles are usually slipping up over the shoulder, rather than charging headdown at the tackler.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I think the Cyril incident is different to those raised against the West Coast blokes. Cyril was putting the head down and trying to barge through. It was a poor decision, should have been play on (or htb if he got wrapped up - so long as it was around the shoulders and not a headlock). In the WC incidents, the tackles are usually slipping up over the shoulder, rather than charging headdown at the tackler.

I think you've missed the point of the thread

 

[shintemaster]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I know West Coast fans are fighting a bit of a rearguard action at the moment and agree they've been overly targeted... that said, citing Jeff Gieschen as your supporting evidence isn't exactly going to win too many people over. He is a paid pinata for the masses.

 

[mollyfud]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

By the way, forgot to mention that it is correct and true to say that the West Coast technique of dropping down slightly and shrugging shoulders is a legal and effective technique so there is no need to stop it!

But it is equally true that the technique of opposing coaches to point it out to the umpires before and after games hoping to put the scrutiny on them is equally a valid tactic. We will see if it is one that works!

 

[sgbn77]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I just would have thought the obvious response would be to say that a player who lowers his head and barges into an opponent is implicit in the contact. Play on.

I'd equally say a player who drops their knees, throws their head back, and lifts their arm is implicit in the contact to their head. Play on.

Both are really quite obvious to the trained and untrained eye.

We don't need a one size fits all ruling. Play it as you see it umpires.

 

[Citizen Erazed]

Re: Eagles are Duckers - Part II

Not going to quote the whole post for readability.

You've gone to a massive amount of effort and quoted a whole lot of statistics which only lead to the conclusion that we get a lot more free kicks than we give away. Which everyone already knows.

What's the point exactly? Are we being given free kicks that we shouldn't be given? Are we not giving away free kicks that we should be?

Your final point, that we're last in tackling, suggests that we're not giving away free kicks because we're not tackling enough. Which would go some way towards explaining the discrepancy between frees for and against, wouldn't it?

Edit, sorry I should include this point because this aptly displays that you don't have a clue how to use statistics:



Of course they should be even. One team is getting them and another is giving them away. That's like saying "on average, a team's percentage should be 100", or "on average, a team should win 11 games a year".

This was the winning post in this thread. Clearly.

 

[frantelle]

Re: Eagles are Duckers - Part II

Some really precious Eagles fan's around isn't there?

I'm sure none of them have ever said anything about what Joel Selwood does. The only difference is that there are more Eagles doing it then Cats. Yes its a free kick technically, but **** its frustrating to watch and not really in the spirit of the game. Should find a way to stamp it out immediately

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Well I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm still waiting to learn of one head-high free that shouldn't have been paid to us on Sunday.

There's already one mega thread on that subject, does it really need to be debated elsewhere?

 

[Ari]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

So Gieschen says it's okay to emphasise a free kick and make sure the umpire is fully aware of it? His justification is that they've been doing this for years?

For me, that's a massive WTF. Didn't Monfries get slammed a year back because of this very trait?

 

[Seadog]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

The throw called against North.

I watched "It's Your Call". I loved him describing the act of filtering out yellow and replacing it with magenta to determine whether Mayne's goal was a goal as 'new technology'. That's been around since the late 80s. Looked like the software they'd used to do it was that old too. The segment's a bit of a joke, in one instance he says Buddy has a natural arc, in another he says Ballantyne's arc run up shot for goal was play on. The bloke's a fool.

I thought it was a throw, until I saw the replay. It was barely a handball though, once upon a time you had to clearly punch the ball. Nowadays the throw/push will suffice. So many throws not getting called is a bigger issue than one that was called incorrectly.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

I thought it was a throw, until I saw the replay. It was barely a handball though, once upon a time you had to clearly punch the ball. Nowadays the throw/push will suffice. So many throws not getting called is a bigger issue than one that was called incorrectly.

That once upon a time was 20-30 years ago. Yeah, if you want to get exceedingly technical about it, you could call it a throw. But then half the handballs in the league would be throws, especially those in congestion.

Dodgy, dodgy call.

 

[jko'neal]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Does anyone actually take anything Gieschen dribbles serious

 

[Masto]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Does anyone actually take anything Gieschen dribbles serious

He is more of an impartial observer than Clarko, especially when it comes to Hawthorn players.

 

[Marlin01]

Re: NEWS. Jeff Gieschen: Hawks Player is a Duckers

Does anyone actually take anything Gieschen dribbles serious

Only in the sense that he seems to be the bloke that determines what the "rule of the week" is going to be.