Recommitted Dustin Martin [re-signed]

[stevo75]

Dusty wants to play with his best friend Marley Williams whilst earning top $ and win finals. Pretty easy decision imo.

 

[stevo75]

These endless mentions of yours of the PSD. Just thought i'd clear it up. Always happy to help.

Dusty can still walk to the psd regardless of whether he's unrestricted or restricted..

Just thought I'd clear that up. Always happy to help

 

[Dez!]

Dusty can still walk to the psd regardless of whether he's unrestricted or restricted..

Just thought I'd clear that up. Always happy to help

North planning on finishing last then?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

North planning on finishing last then?

Exactly my point

 

[stevo75]

North planning on finishing last then?

Won't come to that.

Dusty will nominate his club of choice (North Melbourne), Richmond won't risk matching, and just play it out professionally by accepting first round compo, and that'll be it. Welcome to North Dusty.

 

[Dez!]

Won't come to that.

Dusty will nominate his club of choice (North Melbourne), Richmond won't risk matching, and just play it out professionally by accepting first round compo, and that'll be it. Welcome to North Dusty.

I see quite a few problems with this:

1) Why his club of choice is North Melbourne?
2) Why won't Richmond risk matching?

Should he choose to leave, it'll end up in the Dangerfield scenario and North will simply trade for him.

However I doubt he'll leave Richmond.

 

[stevo75]

I see quite a few problems with this:

1) Why his club of choice is North Melbourne? Best mate Marley Williams, $1.3m+, win finals. Easy decision.

2) Why won't Richmond risk matching? If Richmond match and Dusty turns around and says he'll stay, they probably wouldn't wanna be stuck paying massive amount of coin (way overs for a player that is already playing for them) for a player that basically ****ed them over.

Should he choose to leave, it'll end up in the Dangerfield scenario and North will simply trade for him.

However I doubt he'll leave Richmond.

If Dusty wishes to leave, it'll be done respectively and professionally. Richmond will take the first round compo.

 

[Dez!]

If Dusty wishes to leave, it'll be done respectively and professionally. Richmond will take the first round compo.

You're offering up no explanation as to why Richmond will take the first round compo when they'd get better value by matching.

 

[stevo75]

You're offering up no explanation as to why Richmond will take the first round compo when they'd get better value by matching.

Read the post again.

The whole Richmond matching thing is just a tiger fans idea of not losing dusty for nothing because they can't fathom it.

Would be willing to bet. IF Dusty leaves, whether that be to any club, that Richmond won't match a free agency offer.


Fwiw I think it's 50/50 whether he leaves or not. Pretty hard to read at this stage.

 

[Thrillhouse!]

Read the post again.

The whole Richmond matching thing is just a tiger fans idea of not losing dusty for nothing because they can't fathom it.

Would be willing to bet. IF Dusty leaves, whether that be to any club, that Richmond won't match a free agency offer.


Fwiw I think it's 50/50 whether he leaves or not. Pretty hard to read at this stage.

Wont match any offer? With that statement your assuming the offers will be atleast 1.4 +?

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[Snake_Baker]

You're offering up no explanation as to why Richmond will take the first round compo when they'd get better value by matching.

You're not quite up to speed on how things work.

Richmond can't make an offer based on driving up draft pick value

Richmond have the final offer and he stays or goes to the PSD:

Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

 

[Dez!]

Read the post again.

The whole Richmond matching thing is just a tiger fans idea of not losing dusty for nothing because they can't fathom it.

Would be willing to bet. IF Dusty leaves, whether that be to any club, that Richmond won't match a free agency offer.


Fwiw I think it's 50/50 whether he leaves or not. Pretty hard to read at this stage.

It's not a "Tigers fans idea of not losing Dusty for nothing".

Richmond would match the offer because then North would have to trade for him or else they won't get him, it would play out exactly the same as the Dangerfield situation.

 

[Dez!]

You're not quite up to speed on how things work.

Richmond can't make an offer based on driving up draft pick value

Richmond have the final offer and he stays or goes to the PSD:

Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

I should have clarified that with "unofficially matching" that's my bad for not being clear.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It's not a "Tigers fans idea of not losing Dusty for nothing".

Richmond would match the offer because then North would have to trade for him or else they won't get him, it would play out exactly the same as the Dangerfield situation.

Serious question:

Would you be happy if your club paid a massive contract to retain a player that didn't want to be at your club?

I know I wouldn't.

The great irony of this ongoing discussion is that I seem to be assigning a higher level of integrity to the RFC, than some of its own supporters!

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Read the post again.

The whole Richmond matching thing is just a tiger fans idea of not losing dusty for nothing because they can't fathom it.

This is why we are having the discussion. This is just a straight up untruth Stevo.
Of course he can leave. If he wants to, he will in the end. Don't make it out to be some fan desperation. It simply is not.
We've seen Gaz, Buddy, Danger. Think we are used to it now. It's only going to happen more and more.
To paint that picture is just simply not true, and you know it.

 

[Dez!]

Serious question:

Would you be happy if your club paid a massive contract to retain a player that didn't want to be at your club?

I know I wouldn't.

The great irony of this ongoing discussion is that I seem to be assigning a higher level of integrity to the RFC, than some of its own supporters!

No but given that North in this case are offering so much money for him gives me the impression that they are desperate to acquire Martin and if they don't trade for him instead (Richmond "unofficially matching the contract") then he scoots off to what I'm going to assume will be Brisbane.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No but given that North in this case are offering so much money for him gives me the impression that they are desperate to acquire Martin and if they don't trade for him instead (Richmond "unofficially matching the contract") then he scoots off to what I'm going to assume will be Brisbane.

A whole lot of assumptions based on a fallacy there mate.

Where did you get the information that North have offered a definite dollar figure for Dustin Martin?

 

[stevo75]

No but given that North in this case are offering so much money for him gives me the impression that they are desperate to acquire Martin and if they don't trade for him instead (Richmond "unofficially matching the contract") then he scoots off to what I'm going to assume will be Brisbane.

If Richmond decided to match, it wouldn't come down to psd, he'd just stay. Problem here is, Richmond don't want to be paying the amount of north's offer, which they inevitably would if they decided to match. Not to mention its way overs for a player already playing for your club. To make matters worse, they'd be paying all that money, for a player who essentially wants to play elsewhere. Not good on culture.

Once again, If Dusty wants to leave, Richmond will let him go, and they'll receive first round compo. That's it. Believe it. That's what happens.

 

[Snake_Baker]

To make matters worse, they'd be paying all that money, for a player who essentially wants to play elsewhere. Not good on culture.

I can't honestly see Brendan Gale & Co. going to this extent. It just looks bad. They have more respect for their club.

I know it stinks, he is worth more, but if he leaves it's not going to play out the way some tigers supporters would like to believe.

 

[Dez!]

If Richmond decided to match, it wouldn't come down to psd, he'd just stay. Problem here is, Richmond don't want to be paying the amount of north's offer, which they inevitably would if they decided to match. Not to mention its way overs for a player already playing for your club. To make matters worse, they'd be paying all that money, for a player who essentially wants to play elsewhere. Not good on culture.

Once again, If Dusty wants to leave, Richmond will let him go, and they'll receive first round compo. That's it. Believe it. That's what happens.

Except when it didn't happen to Dangerfield........

 

[Dez!]

I can't honestly see Brendan gale & Co. going to this extent. It just looks bad. They have more respect for their club.

How does it look bad? They'd be looking to get better value than what they would get from the compo, it's looking after the club.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Except when it didn't happen to Dangerfield........

The big difference is Geelong weren't offering anything near Dangerfields top dollar.

What's he believed to be on, $800K?

How does it look bad? They'd be looking to get better value than what they would get from the compo, it's looking after the club.

1) It looks like grovelling and sends a shit message to the playing group. How is it going to sit with the captain if another player is on double his money?

2) Maxing out Richmond's available cap would put them out of the market to improve their list.

 

[stevo75]

Except when it didn't happen to Dangerfield........

Adelaide only had to pay $800k to keep danger, completely different scenario.

 

[Dez!]

The big difference is Geelong weren't offering anything near Dangerfields top dollar.

What's he believed to be on, $800K?

Adelaide only had to pay $800k to keep danger, completely different scenario.

Just like you were saying before, that seems like an assumption.

Regardless 800k is still a lot to commit to a player who wants to leave yet Adelaide still held firm and Geelong buckled.

1) It looks like grovelling.
2) Maxing out Richmond's available cap would put them out of the market to improve their list.

It doesn't look like grovelling at all, it looks a club weren't prepared to get completely shafted.

It won't max out Richmond's available cap because like Geelong did North would cave and enter trade talks for Martin because otherwise he'd be off to Brisbane and it wouldn't look good for North Melbourne to heavily commit to a player and then back out at the last second.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Just like you were saying before, that seems like an assumption.

Regardless 800k is still a lot to commit to a player who wants to leave yet Adelaide still held firm and Geelong buckled.

$800K is peanuts for a top 5 player.

Geelong traded because it could not engage in a bidding war.

It doesn't look like grovelling at all, it looks a club weren't prepared to get completely shafted.

You're basing this as a defensive reaction by Richmond. Their initial offer to Martin was $730K, so how stupid are they going to look to everyone if they then engage in a bidding war in excess of say..............$1.2 million?

It won't max out Richmond's available cap because like Geelong did North would cave and enter trade talks for Martin because otherwise he'd be off to Brisbane.......

You are conveniently overlooking the relative dollar value of the Geelong trade, and i'm not so sure about Brisbane's position. They already have to stem the flow of outgoing players and Martin will be arriving at the end of his career when their batch of youngsters start hitting their straps. I'm not convinced Brisbane would take him..

....it wouldn't look good for North Melbourne to heavily commit to a player and then back out at the last second.

We hold a massive fallback position in this scenario. We simply re-sign 1 year short term contracts with the likes of Thompson, Gibson & Hansen, then roll the dice with their contract money again next year. We might miss out on Dusty, but we won't be missing out on signing another gun.