Early Phantom Drafts

[Bozmans Blues]

From the TAC stats, I am not entirely sure why Carlton would take deluca at no.8. It appears from the stats that deluca only gets app. 6 possies and 3 marks per game. For a no.8 draft pick, I would like 5+ marks a game.

Further, when comparing deluca's stats to meesens, meesen comes out much better - meesen is consistently getting 15 possies and 5 marks. So I was just wondering why Deluca is rated higher than meesen?

In respect of Jordon Lewis, his stats are probably the best in the draft - he is consistently getting 30+ possies, but he is also taking 8+ marks, which very few tac kids do. The marks column is usually a very good indicator of talent. For example, Brad Fisher of carlton had a high average marks stat in u/18s and that has flowed onto the afl even tho picked at 70+! I will be very interested to see how he goes in the afl.

Does anyone know anything about chris knights from eastern - his stats to are very formidable?

 

[Turbocat]

From the TAC stats, I am not entirely sure why Carlton would take deluca at no.8. It appears from the stats that deluca only gets app. 6 possies and 3 marks per game. For a no.8 draft pick, I would like 5+ marks a game.

Further, when comparing deluca's stats to meesens, meesen comes out much better - meesen is consistently getting 15 possies and 5 marks. So I was just wondering why Deluca is rated higher than meesen?

In respect of Jordon Lewis, his stats are probably the best in the draft - he is consistently getting 30+ possies, but he is also taking 8+ marks, which very few tac kids do. The marks column is usually a very good indicator of talent. For example, Brad Fisher of carlton had a high average marks stat in u/18s and that has flowed onto the afl even tho picked at 70+! I will be very interested to see how he goes in the afl.

Does anyone know anything about chris knights from eastern - his stats to are very formidable?

Bozy , after seeing Lewis to me he is a top 10 player.Down back, up front , very handy player and has a hard edge.

 

[Turbocat]

I think we are eyeing of Monfries. Eckermann falls short of the age cut off fir the draft but has applied for the exemption and apparently he has been granted one so he should be in the draft.
I think we would be happy with either of the 2. I think we might also pick up a ruckman but I don't think we will pick one up in the top 10 unless there is a CLEAR standout worth that pick.

Is that true? .Was very impressed with Eckerman(not Ackerman)but I thought him too young. Id go him before Meyer but I still think Monfries will be go early , before 8 Im not sure .It might just get down to draft camp.What did you think of that kid Hurn, almost won you the champs in the last quarter

 

[Turbocat]

Teams that don't need a developing ruckman that badly to use a top 20 pick on one-
Ess
Dogs
Cats
Freo
Port
West Coast
Melbourne
Brisbane
Sydney
Adelaide (maybe need a future prospect but will go after midfielders I reckon)

Teams that need a starting ruckman or a developing one
Saints
Roos
Coll - backup for Fraser. But may want to puts some pace in the midfiled as a higher priority
Hawks - Like Coll backup for Everitt but they maybe happy with Campbell and probably need to fix other holes.
Carlton - I'm not sure about. Maybe happy with French and Deluca and may want to fill other holes.

Therefore Richmond may have a shot at one of these at 20

As I see them, the teams that might go tall before 20 are in bold

Ess , got Laycock, OK
Dogs , NO needs a quality big guy , why else would they have gone for Street
Cats
My opinion is that its time for the Cats to go for a quality big man.S King, having played 150 games is now in the second half of his career.We have shown this year when he is out we dont have a legit backup but Im more concerned about putting a plan in place to cover his later years, when he might have more and more inj. probs. His best chance for replacement at our club currently is Mark Blake, but if he falls over we dont have a backup. We need a third legit option to groomed to be ready when King is in the 250 game range(4 years).Blake and Meesen would be a pair that could develop together, without the need to chuck them in too early.Is Meesen a P16?, not sure but we will see. From what Ive seen this year a club needs an extra ruckman on their list, lots of injuries to cover look at Brisbane. Now this is not the only option but one Im sure they will consider.Ruckman- Ruckman/Tall Forward or Tall Forward based on the talent thats left at around Pick 16

Freo , OK
Port , Always tend to pick big guys early because they feel they have a better resale but maybe its time for a mid
West Coast , OK
Melbourne , OK
Brisbane , Not sure they have that Spaderman but there group have had lot of injuries , wouldnt rule out unless they trade into an earlier pick
Sydney, OK
Adelaide , IF they could trade into the top 20 , I think they would love to get Wood
Saints , I wouldn't be surprised if they went another big guy, they have plenty of talent in ball movement, like the Cats, and could just bank a big guy
Roos , I think the Roo's are OK, got Hale and Hamish sombody
Coll - , I think they think they are OK , as you said they want speed(Tambling) , but their rucks have cost them the last two GF's
Hawks , I think they will go for the two best mids with 2 and 5 but with 20 could go tall
Carlton - I think they might go for Deluca#2 but its been a while for early mids so probably not
Richmond, To me before Wallace I thought you would go for inside guys but now I can see you going for the light ball movers that he likes and a tall last pick , similar to the Hawks

I have it at 7 teams that might go tall with P1

 

[Footymad]

Turbocat,

Interesting your thoughts on the cats. Obviously you see them more than I do. King's a star and Blake the future. What are your thoughts on the bloke pinch hitting for you this year - is it Chambers? Haven't watched him enough - is he capable?

Your thought on the Dogs are interesting to- It depends what they think of Minson as a future player prospect. Eade likes his ruckman and loaded up Syndey before he left.

 

[chilled]

Griffin will go top. Word is Richmond are extremely keen on him. It also appears as if Tambling might go to the tiges as well, to add some much needed spark to their side. While Deledio is a certainty to be heading to the Hawks. As for one from left field, Matthew Spangher (Eastern Ranges) is a good chance to get drafted. Won't be top ten but, having seen him play last week for Eastern, I realised that he has a stack of ability and potential (he didn't star in that game but showed glimpses of form). Only needs to improve his strength to become a top class player in the AFL in the future. A long-term prospect for clubs. As for other players, Michael Stewart (Oakleigh Chargers) is a future star key position player of the AFL. Finally, Xavier Leslie has continued his improvement over the past year and is now a definite top 20 draft prospect at the end of the year.

 

[Footymad]

As for one from left field, Matthew Spangher (Eastern Ranges) is a good chance to get drafted. Won't be top ten but, having seen him play last week for Eastern, I realised that he has a stack of ability and potential (he didn't star in that game but showed glimpses of form). Only needs to improve his strength to become a top class player in the AFL in the future. .

Chilled,
Spangher - I saw him first No seriously - this kid had some potential and is worth a pick. I've seen him a bit at Xavier and Eastern. His slotted right back into the Eastern team after school commitments and has the attributes of the prototype player. Tall, mobile, skilled and great endurance - body will come.
Personally I think another year at TAC level would benefit him enormously but if they come knockin - not many would say no.

 

[catfan29]

Knowing Matt Spangher reasonably well I have first hand knowledge of his strenghts and weaknesses as a footballer. He has good mobility for a big man and has great endurance. However his attack on the ball can come under question at times.

PS. He has a hot girl friend................for him

 

[Footymad]

Knowing Matt Sphanger reasonably well I have first hand knowledge of his strenghts and weaknesses as a footballer. He has good mobility for a big man and has great endurance. However his attack on the ball can come under question at times.

PS. He has a hot girl friend................for him

Thanks for that knowledgable contribution. The PS line says it all!

 

[Jabso]

does anyone know what school Matt Little goes to?

 

[Turbocat]

Turbocat,

Interesting your thoughts on the cats. Obviously you see them more than I do. King's a star and Blake the future. What are your thoughts on the bloke pinch hitting for you this year - is it Chambers? Haven't watched him enough - is he capable?

Your thought on the Dogs are interesting to- It depends what they think of Minson as a future player prospect. Eade likes his ruckman and loaded up Syndey before he left.

Chambers is a backup at best and will struggle to ever play a joint role with another ruckman. I would like a Laycock, Salmon type that would complement King
Minson, not seen much of him but he is a slab allright but has he got anything else to offer but mucsle

 

[footy000]

jabso: "does anyone know what school Matt Little goes to?"

he use to go to salesian college in Sunbury but finshed year 12 last year

 

[Footymad]

Chambers is a backup at best and will struggle to ever play a joint role with another ruckman. I would like a Laycock, Salmon type that would complement King
Minson, not seen much of him but he is a slab allright but has he got anything else to offer but mucsle

See your point about the Cats. Their first round pick may be able to be used on one of those ruck prospects - Deluca, Meeson or Wood.

 

[DirtyDogTiger]

I'd like to encourage some debate on Jordan lewis

Should Jordan Lewis be seriously considered as a top 5 pick?

if not, why not..or if so, why?

A Richmond observer on another board believes he should be.
He does sound hard at it/gets his own ball and his stats apparently aren't much different to deledio's.

Anyone know his qualities and deficiencies?

Cheers

DDT

 

[Weaver]

I'd like to encourage some debate on Jordan lewis
...
Anyone know his qualities and deficiencies?

Not a deficiency exactly but he is top-age and was elligable to be drafted last year but overlooked. It is fairly rare for a guy who was passed over once to vault into the top-5 (it happens of course). Being 12 months older than other guys in the mix you'd expect him to be ahead of them.

Also it can be pretty tough judging guys who rely on their toughness, physicality and bulk. While they can look like he-men brushing aside 65kg, 16 year old rovers what happens when they have to stand shoulder to shoulder with 90kgs of James Hird? Is there enough ability to make up for them losing their main weapon?

At 85kg+ of solid muscle there is no one in the TAC Cup who can bump or intimidate Lewis, in the AFL there is almost no one who he can push around.

So with guys like him, Ed Clake and Jarred Moore you have to look past their TAC Cup form and Championship form and imagine them when they are not knocking blokes over, breaking tackles and frightening evertone.

I think Lewis has enough 'extra' to his game to be a top-10 choice. The success of Beau Waters will help him because it is 'proof' that Lewis can find a role (very similar players). In contrast the struggles of Rodan will probably hurt Clarke and Moore.

 

[DirtyDogTiger]

thank-you weaver.

 

[Turbocat]

Not a deficiency exactly but he is top-age and was elligable to be drafted last year but overlooked. It is fairly rare for a guy who was passed over once to vault into the top-5 (it happens of course). Being 12 months older than other guys in the mix you'd expect him to be ahead of them.

Also it can be pretty tough judging guys who rely on their toughness, physicality and bulk. While they can look like he-men brushing aside 65kg, 16 year old rovers what happens when they have to stand shoulder to shoulder with 90kgs of James Hird? Is there enough ability to make up for them losing their main weapon?

At 85kg+ of solid muscle there is no one in the TAC Cup who can bump or intimidate Lewis, in the AFL there is almost no one who he can push around.

So with guys like him, Ed Clake and Jarred Moore you have to look past their TAC Cup form and Championship form and imagine them when they are not knocking blokes over, breaking tackles and frightening evertone.

I think Lewis has enough 'extra' to his game to be a top-10 choice. The success of Beau Waters will help him because it is 'proof' that Lewis can find a role (very similar players). In contrast the struggles of Rodan will probably hurt Clarke and Moore.

All good points W , but I would say the quality of liking the contact is also atribute that can not be learnt.When they have been in the system a while this natural tendancy will again surface.
Lewis has it.I can see Sheedy taking if he is there no doubt.
Moore , I think has more to his game than just using his body advantage,he reminds me of a Voss type
Maybe you have a point with Clarke but he to me is a similar body shape to Josh Hunt only with more goal sense.