Ed Breaks Bears 25 yr old Time trial record

[thylacine60]

soft...

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Carrazzo forced me to become a fan. I hope Ed does the same.

 

[The Toad]

I didn't think he could keep his gob shut for long enough to run that quick.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Great work by the Mop although it must be recognised that it was achieved with the assistance of probably the best pacer in the country in Craig Mottram.

 

[thylacine60]

Something's not right. WADA need to look into Ed's performance bigtime.

 

[out of harmes' way]

Now all we need to do is teach him how to kick and work on his decision-making, and we'll have a footballer on our hands.

 

[Coona Blues]

I haven't seen the "field". Did it encompass the full list? Bell 2nd. Walker and Judd consistently in the mix and Temay was an elite junior distance runner.
We have some serious speed and endurance.
Curnow is going to be an interesting player to watch this season. His disposal issues would make him borderline best 22.
However Ed burst on to the scene a good ball user before going down with shoulder. Ratten made him in to a work horse in 2012. It is not possible to be at "every" contest and maintain skills, no matter how good your endurance is. The Malthouse way at the Magpies was not to use hard "tags" suspect players like Curnow will be released in favour of "team defence" which may bring some massive upside in their output and skills.

 

[TheSituation23]

I might win a time trial too if I knew Bell was behind me.

 

[jezza25]

I haven't seen the "field". Did it encompass the full list? Bell 2nd. Walker and Judd consistently in the mix and Temay was an elite junior distance runner.
We have some serious speed and endurance.
Curnow is going to be an interesting player to watch this season. His disposal issues would make him borderline best 22.
However Ed burst on to the scene a good ball user before going down with shoulder. Ratten made him in to a work horse in 2012. It is not possible to be at "every" contest and maintain skills, no matter how good your endurance is. The Malthouse way at the Magpies was not to use hard "tags" suspect players like Curnow will be released in favour of "team defence" which may bring some massive upside in their output and skills.

Wouldnt matter who was in the field if it was the best time in 25 years

 

[toomuchsparetime]

I think he means that Curnow could be another Carrazzo. Runs all day long, early questions over disposal but work ethic eventually turns him into a star.

there are obvious comparisons to make between Curnow and Carrazzo, but we must remember that Carrazzo has always been a ball magnet, I'm not sure you could say the same about Curnow.

for example: "On the one occasion (in 2006) he was dropped to Carlton's VFL-affiliate, the Northern Bullants, he amassed 51 disposals against Tasmania to ensure that he was speedily returned to the seniors."

"Carrazzo fractured his forearm during an intraclub practice match in the 2009 preseason, missing the first four games of the AFL season. He played two games with the Northern Bullants to regain match fitness, and was as dominant as he had been in 2006, amassing 41 disposals against Bendigo and 55 disposals against Box Hill, before being returned to the AFL seniors for round 5."

 

[Silvagnis]

Wow.

If Curnow isn't a ball magnet and gutrunning mid like Carrazzo, then why on earth did we select him 30 times in his first two seasons?

We don't pick Curnow for his skill and class like our best mids.

Curnow was a ball magnet at VFL and State Levels...

Curnow was injured in week 13 missing the final 8 games of the VFL season. Despite this he won the Box Hill B&F and finished 3rd in the JJ Liston Trophy. He had 5 BOG in the 12 completed games he played. In the State game with WA he was very unlucky not to win the BOG given he accumulated 38 possessions in another dominant display.

You don't rack up those sort of numbers unless you run your arse off and can find the ball. Great workrate with his hard running both ways.

 

[Dramoth]

Ed should be coming up for a very good season...

If he can stay uninjured and pick up his form again from his first 6 games, he will definitely be making the step up big time. Combine him with our other second string mids and we are going to have some serious depth in the midfield this year.

 

[toomuchsparetime]

Wow.

If Curnow isn't a ball magnet and gutrunning mid like Carrazzo, then why on earth did we select him 30 times in his first two seasons?

We don't pick Curnow for his skill and class like our best mids.

Curnow was a ball magnet at VFL and State Levels...

You don't rack up those sort of numbers unless you run your arse off and can find the ball. Great workrate with his hard running both ways.

2012 average disposals
curnow 17.7
carrazzo 24.6
not all magnets have the same pulling power...

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

The comparison between Curnow and Carrazzo is a valid one in my opinion. Ed's first six games for Carlton yielded disposal returns of 24, 26, 23, 23, 25 and 24. Whilst he has struggled a bit to emulate those numbers since, that is an outstanding effort for such an inexperienced player.

I'm not a huge fan of Ed as I think he is a bit limited but the one thing massively in his favour is that he possesses one genuinely elite quality (his endurance). A lot of players might be solid foot soldiers but they ultimately don't make it because they lack any sort of elite quality (see Ellard). Armfield is a pertinent example of how having one genuinely elite AFL-level trait (in his case speed) can essentially be the making of a career.

Hopefully Ed can polish up his disposal a touch and use his huge tank to more damaging effect.

 

[HARKER]

I'm not a huge fan of Ed as I think he is a bit limited but the one thing massively in his favour is that he possesses one genuinely elite quality (his endurance). A lot of players might be solid foot soldiers but they ultimately don't make it because they lack any sort of elite quality (see Ellard). Armfield is a pertinent example of how having one genuinely elite AFL-level trait (in his case speed) can essentially be the making of a career.

Hopefully Ed can polish up his disposal a touch and use his huge tank to more damaging effect.

I've been a huge fan of his never-say-die attitude since day 1 with Ed. That's his biggest attribute.

His kicking is still shallow but his movement by hand seems to be a little sharper this year.
I may be wrong but most of the movement by hand seems to be quicker through the drills. We'll see when it matters.

If Judd is just starting to use his left foot now, then Ed has plenty of time to get the best out of his talents. Would love him to become a Mitchell type for us.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

I've been a huge fan of his never-say-die attitude since day 1 with Ed. That's his biggest attribute.

His kicking is still shallow but his movement by hand seems to be a little sharper this year.
I may be wrong but most of the movement by hand seems to be quicker through the drills. We'll see when it matters.

If Judd is just starting to use his left foot now, then Ed has plenty of time to get the best out of his talents. Would love him to become a Mitchell type for us.

Yes probably a poorly worded post on my part. I obviously admire Ed a lot and do think he can become a valuable best 22 player, I guess I just see more upside in a guy like Tom Bell or even Rhys O'Keeffe (rightly or wrongly) to take one of the final midfield spots. Bell's disposal is worse than Ed's but that wrecking ball factor is hard to deny, especially in a team that hasn't been feared physically for the best part of a decade.

 

[HARKER]

Yes probably a poorly worded post on my part. I obviously admire Ed a lot and do think he can become a valuable best 22 player, I guess I just see more upside in a guy like Tom Bell or even Rhys O'Keeffe (rightly or wrongly) to take one of the final midfield spots. Bell's disposal is worse than Ed's but that wrecking ball factor is hard to deny, especially in a team that hasn't been feared physically for the best part of a decade.

I have no idea how far Ed can take his football, but he's a great guy to have around the club and for others to emulate at training.
His kicking will never be his strength, but there's enough material to work with elsewhere.

Starting round 1 will be his first hurdle of the year as McLean has the jump on him right now.
I know one can argue that there's room for both but for every player that goes in, one has to come out.

MM's game plan and the players capacity to adhere to it may go a long way in getting games this year and this is where Ed has every chance in making good.

 

[thylacine60]

Had no idea he was from WA truth be told.

 

[toomuchsparetime]

Hold on to your hats this is a long one..........

I think the thing with Ed is that he learns to 'run smart'

2012 saw the emergence of McClean for precisely this reason. Brock has footy smarts and knows how and where to run. This saw him find plenty of open space at times, which allowed him to be more damaging away from the inside contests at which he's always been pretty good.

I think Ed just runs around aimlessly at times. Sure he's got the endurance, but I think AFL is less about endurance and more about having that bit extra when it really counts. Running laps around an oval is all about pacing yourself (by a marathon runner no less).

I have no endurance myself, but when I played football I was repeatedly able to go at high intensity for short bursts and most the time this was enough to beat my oponents. Unfortunately with my hamstring problems I will not be making my debut for Carlton this year...

Carrazzo's 'ball magnet' status is a combination of a package of skills which he briings to the game. He wants the ball more, can out-think, out-position, sums the situation best, etc., etc... Ed himself has said that he wants to concentrate on his 'footy smarts'. I think this is great, he is humbly identifying where he needs to improve and he appears to be showing that he has the desire for hard work to get it done. He also seems like a nice guy and I'm sure this goes a long way with mentoring types like the coaches and senior players. I feel the club as a whole is giving the 'tough love' while at the same time gently holding him under their wing.

Mick Malthouse is presented as a coach who maintains his ultimate authority while at the same time engenders deep respect from his players. From what I can gather, the respect is created from him being able to see things from each players perspective. So what is Ed's perspective? Obviously Ed wants to play AFL at the highest level. He has been on the Adelaide rookie list then was dumped. Moved to Box Hill dominated and was picked up by Carlton where he has been on the rookie list for his now 3rd year. It's do or for Ed now. If he is not moved on the senior list Carlton must delist him at the end of the season.

My guess is that Mick will be pushing Ed to become a complete player rather that limit him to being a one-dimensional shut-down tagger. To do this Ed has to improve decision making, touch, and disposal by foot. I can't see why he can't do it. What I don't see is Ed ever becoming a real forward threat (he didn't kick a single goal last year). Ed's obvious strength is the midfield, but can he add a string to his bow and play a role in the backline? This would add to his versatility in game-day rotations, because let's face it Ed is never going to be more valuable than Judd, Murphy, Carrazzo, Gibbs, Walker, Simpson, Yarran or Scotland (McLean almost in this group).

The next tier down is where Curnow will be competing for his spot. Players such as Bell, Robinson, Lucas, Armfield, Touhy, Ellard, Joseph and O'Keefe are all good players in their own way but all have more limitations than those mentioned above. From this group the players that are getting regular games are Robinson, Armfield, Touhy and Curnow. It seems to me that these four want it the most. They all train desperately all the time and they give it their all all the time on match day. Nothing summed this up more last year than a few of Armfields games. Games when it seemed every Carlton player had given up or was hung-over from a drug binge the night before. Armfield just kept trying. Robinson is the same week in week out. Is it coincidence that these two are by far the most extroverted on the list?

So to return to the beginning. Ed alway tries his best, sometimes he suffers from trying too hard.... I think the thing with Ed is that he learns to 'run smart'.

 

[BluStreak]

Curnow needs a hair cut