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CERN scientists 'break the speed of light'

Scientists said on Thursday they recorded particles travelling faster than light - a finding that could overturn one of Einstein's fundamental laws of the universe.

Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the international group of researchers, said that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.

"We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."

If confirmed, the discovery would undermine Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity, which says that the speed of light is a "cosmic constant" and that nothing in the universe can travel faster.

That assertion, which has withstood over a century of testing, is one of the key elements of the so-called Standard Model of physics, which attempts to describe the way the universe and everything in it works.

The totally unexpected finding emerged from research by a physicists working on an experiment dubbed OPERA run jointly by the CERN particle research centre near Geneva and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in central Italy.

A total of 15,000 beams of neutrinos - tiny particles that pervade the cosmos - were fired over a period of three years from CERN towards Gran Sasso 730 (500 miles) km away, where they were picked up by giant detectors.

Light would have covered the distance in around 2.4 thousandths of a second, but the neutrinos took 60 nanoseconds - or 60 billionths of a second - less than light beams would have taken.

"It is a tiny difference," said Ereditato, who also works at Berne University in Switzerland, "but conceptually it is incredibly important. The finding is so startling that, for the moment, everybody should be very prudent."

Ereditato declined to speculate on what it might mean if other physicists, who will be officially informed of the discovery at a meeting in CERN on Friday, found that OPERA's measurements were correct.

"I just don't want to think of the implications," he said. "We are scientists and work with what we know."

Much science-fiction literature is based on the idea that, if the light-speed barrier can be overcome, time travel might theoretically become possible.

The existence of the neutrino, an elementary sub-atomic particle with a tiny amount of mass created in radioactive decay or in nuclear reactions such as those in the Sun, was first confirmed in 1934, but it still mystifies researchers.

It can pass through most matter undetected, even over long distances, and without being affected. Millions pass through the human body every day, scientists say.

To reach Gran Sasso, the neutrinos pushed out from a special installation at CERN - also home to the Large Hadron Collider probing the origins of the universe - have to pass through water, air and rock.

The underground Italian laboratory, some 120 km (75 miles) to the south of Rome, is the largest of its type in the world for particle physics and cosmic research.

Around 750 scientists from 22 different countries work there, attracted by the possibility of staging experiments in its three massive halls, protected from cosmic rays by some 1,400 metres (4,200 feet) of rock overhead.
 

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Did you look at the date of the article? That was in 2011, and it was found to be an error. Einstein laughs at this thread.
On June 8, 2012 CERN research director Sergio Bertolucci declared on behalf of the four Gran Sasso teams, including OPERA, that the speed of neutrinos is consistent with that of light. The press release, made from the 25th International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics in Kyoto, states that the original OPERA results were wrong, due to equipment failures.
 
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Posting this is somewhat equivalent to James Hird and Little saying they knew for sure their Essendon players took no prohibited substance despite not tuning into the more important fact is they actually did not know for sure what Dank injected their players with.
If something is reported as fact that does not seem right the moral of the story is check the actual equipment of a scientific measurement is calibrated correctly and in Hird and Little case check their brain is calibrated with sticking to facts rather than spin of what they would like us to believe.

Just like this was shown to be an equipment measuring mistake if you bothered to check, Hird finally admitted it was possible the players were injected with a prohibited substance because he actually did not know what Dank injected his players with.

Relativity rules!!!
 
Ok, to get back to the thread title then....

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Experiment Proves Einstein Wrong

November 16, 2015 | by Alfredo Carpineti

Scientists at the National Institute of Standard and Technology (NIST) have proven beyond reasonable doubt that Einstein was wrong about one of the main principles of quantum mechanics and that "spooky action at a distance" is actually real.

We are now certain that entanglement, the ability of particles to affect each other regardless of distance, exists and that it's an intrinsic property of the universe. When a pair or a group of particles are entangled, they cannot be described independently from each other. Measuring a particular property, like velocity, of a single particle affects all the other entangled particles.

Einstein and many other scientists believed that this phenomenon was paradoxical, as it would allow for information to be exchanged instantaneously across vast distances. He dubbed it "spooky action at a distance" and he believed that there was a way to reproduce this phenomenon with classical physics. He claimed that there were hidden variables – quantities that we didn't or couldn't know – that would make quantum mechanics perfectly predictable.

According to classical physics, the universe can be completely understood, modeled, and predicted by simply knowing the laws of physics. This is known as a deterministic view. Quantum mechanics is probabilistic, puts limits on the amount of understanding one has of a system and is rife with peculiaritiesthatwe don’t experience in everyday life.

While trying to investigate the consequence of this alleged paradox in 1964, physicist John Stewart Bell formulated a theorem (Bell's theorem), which states that quantum mechanics cannot be explained using any deterministic theory. The validity of the theorem has been corroborated with many experiments over the years, but now scientists are certain that it’s correct.

This new research from NIST has shown that quantum mechanics cannot be explained in a deterministic way. They created pairs of entangled photons with highly correlated polarizations. They separated the photons and sent them into two distant rooms to have their polarization measured. The settings of the apparatus that measured the polarization were picked at random for every photon; this was to ensure that if unknown effects were present, they didn't come from the measurements themselves.

To be published in Physical Review Letters, the photons the scientists observed were perfectly entangled. The probability that this was due to hidden variables was estimated to be 1 in 170 million, well beyond the 5 sigma (1 in 3.5 million) limit necessary in physics to announce a discovery.

“You can’t prove quantum mechanics, but local realism, or hidden local action, is incompatible with our experiment,” Dr. Krister Shalm, lead author of the study, said in a statement. “Our results agree with what quantum mechanics predicts about the spooky actions shared by entangled particles.”
 
Ok, to get back to the thread title then....

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http://www.iflscience.com/physics/scientists-prove-spooky-action-distance-absolutely-real

Experiment Proves Einstein Wrong

November 16, 2015 | by Alfredo Carpineti

Scientists at the National Institute of Standard and Technology (NIST) have proven beyond reasonable doubt that Einstein was wrong about one of the main principles of quantum mechanics and that "spooky action at a distance" is actually real.

Haven't a million horror movies shown us that already?
 

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This could very well change how we view the universe, if the discovery of radiowaves is anything to go by...
what comes from this us mere mortals probably can't comprehend. eg. what came before the big bang? is there an omnipresent being overseeing our existence? multiverses? other dimensions of reality?
why haven't the saints and dogs won a flag for so long?
 

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Basically if we can use these in a similar way to radio waves, we could see all the way back to the big bang which is awesome!!!!
 

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