List Mgmt. End of Year List Changes

[The Vaucluse]

Bet we don't.

I did premise the response with imagine. There is a bit of spit balling re Holland Rosa. I’m not sure we can get trade deals done for both. Let’s wait and see.

We haven’t resigned Smith, Sonsie or Dow and there’s got to be a reason. It’s also been reported that they will have told to wait until after the trade period, before the club can tell them if they have a future at Punt Road.

 

[wegetpumped]

I didn’t premise the response with imagine. There is a bit of spit balling re Holland Rosa. I’m not sure we can get trade deals done for both. Let’s wait and see.

We haven’t resigned Smith, Sonsie or Dow and there’s got to be a reason. It’s also been reported that they will have told to wait until after the trade period, before the club can tell them if they have a future at Punt Road.

How does that work telling after the drade period? I don't care if all three go, to be honest, but I need to be fair and give them a chance to get picked up. If they don't, that's another matter.

 

[The Mighty]

Are we hanging onto all our spuds again

Colima doesn't count and neither does K Mac.

How long are they planning on hanging onto these spuds and list cloggers for till they reach long service leave ffs.

 

[Tackle Bag]

Prestia is the obvious one for me. Missing a chance to bring in a two way hard working mid by keeping him on when he is clearly cooked. He’s been a champion but list spots are precious. Make him a coach if his input is valued so highly.

 

[Tigers Time]

Your missing the upgrade of Campbell to the main list.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Are we hanging onto all our spuds again

Colima doesn't count and neither does K Mac.

How long are they planning on hanging onto these spuds and list cloggers for till they reach long service leave ffs.

Building up their super.

 

[The Vaucluse]

How does that work telling after the drade period? I don't care if all three go, to be honest, but I need to be fair and give them a chance to get picked up. If they don't, that's another matter.

There’s been speculation within the media, that resigning any of the three will be dependent on how many spots we have free on our list, after the trade period. This might have been posted on Bigfooty. I suspect their Managers have been told to explore their options outside of the club.

 

[The Vaucluse]

Your missing the upgrade of Campbell to the main list.

I had that on an earlier post

 

[Ballin]

Huh? We had our reasons for selecting those guys, and I’m very bullish on Gray. Blight was playing terrific footy in WA.

But again …. Davidson’s performances PRIOR to the MSD did not scream ‘pick me’ - overall he was average … which is why EVERY club with a MSD selection bypassed him.

His footy after the MSD was very good, but we decided to not use a top-30 pick on him, which was a no-brainer.

Seriously? You are still trying to rationalize that not taking Davidson at MSD with the open list spot that we did not use was not a mistake.

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It wasn't a choice between Gray, Blight and Davidson ... we had three list spots

Yes Davidson played like a star after the MSD ... but showed what he was capable prior (just have to read the VFL reports). I called it at the time and so did many others on here. Putting him on the main list at MSD was a free swing and would have meant we didn't lose him at the National draft

As for Blight, he was slow at WAFL level for Peel. Club clearly made an error ... moreso with his personality

Why is it that hard for some people to admit the Club got it wrong??

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Seriously? You are still trying to rationalize that not taking Davidson at MSD with the open list spot that we did not use was not a mistake.

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It wasn't a choice between Gray, Blight and Davidson ... we had three list spots

Yes Davidson played like a star after the MSD ... but showed what he was capable prior (just have to read the VFL reports). I called it at the time and so did many others on here. Putting him on the main list at MSD was a free swing and would have meant we didn't lose him at the National draft

As for Blight, he was slow at WAFL level for Peel. Club clearly made an error ... moreso with his personality

Why is it that hard for some people to admit the Club got it wrong??

Richmond not selecting him isn’t as disastrous as you make it out to be.

Take Round 18 as an example—12 disposals with 4 clangers, which translates to only 8 effective disposals.

If Hugo Ralphsmith managed only 8 effective disposals, the outcry from this board calling for his removal from the team would be immense.

Sam Davidson is a good average player, not the 2nd coming of Dustin Martin.

 

[sregit]

I didn’t premise the response with imagine. There is a bit of spit balling re Holland Rosa. I’m not sure we can get trade deals done for both. Let’s wait and see.

We haven’t resigned Smith, Sonsie or Dow and there’s got to be a reason. It’s also been reported that they will have told to wait until after the trade period, before the club can tell them if they have a future at Punt Road.

I’ve not heard any mention of Richmond interest in Holland. So where does this talk come from?

 

[Coach_Required]

Your missing the upgrade of Campbell to the main list.

No, we aren't. 36 on the main list, less Kmac & Kozi is 34 plus Campbell & the 3 new draftees is 38.

We could technically re-sign all 3 of Dow, Smith & Sonsie. However, talk of us getting Rosas Jnr probably makes Dow's spot questionable, hence why they club has told him he has to wait. We still also have a Cat A rookie spot and Cat B rookie spot available.

The outliner is Young, he is a Cat A rookie so if we lose him, we will have 2 Cat A rookie spots available.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Seriously? You are still trying to rationalize that not taking Davidson at MSD with the open list spot that we did not use was not a mistake.

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It wasn't a choice between Gray, Blight and Davidson ... we had three list spots

Yes Davidson played like a star after the MSD ... but showed what he was capable prior (just have to read the VFL reports). I called it at the time and so did many others on here. Putting him on the main list at MSD was a free swing and would have meant we didn't lose him at the National draft

As for Blight, he was slow at WAFL level for Peel. Club clearly made an error ... moreso with his personality

Why is it that hard for some people to admit the Club got it wrong??

Had Richmond taken Davidson with the unused MSD pick, there is no Jasper Alger. Who would you prefer on Richmond's list right now, Davidson, or Alger?

There is a reason there are posters not "admitting" the decision not to draft Davidson was wrong. That is because it wasn't wrong. You have been provided with all the reasons the decision is not wrong:

- Davidson, who is prime aged already, looks a fringe AFL footballer, albeit perhaps with a moderate amount of upside to come. He may make a reasonable career, but he does not look like a needle mover.

- We had players of similar calibre/size/age to play the same sort of role, Ralphsmith, Trezise, with already Trainor, Alger drafted since who may be wing prospects.

- As a general forward Davidson would not even be fringe in our future teams, competing against the likes of Lalor, Hotton and Campbell, who are all already better than him, despite being 3-4 years younger.

- Our quest with low value picks at the time was clearly to get an over supply of key position prospects to the club, thus Blight, Gray to join Fawcett, Young & Lefau before them. This strategy as a whole will net us mature key position players that will have greater value than another fringe winger/general forward of dubious class and courage was ever going to have.

Your dismay over missing Davidson is about 1000% greater than in needs to be.

 

[tiger_tough]

Had Richmond taken Davidson with the unused MSD pick, there is no Jasper Alger. Who would you prefer on Richmond's list right now, Davidson, or Alger?

There is a reason there are posters not "admitting" the decision not to draft Davidson was wrong. That is because it wasn't wrong. You have been provided with all the reasons the decision is not wrong:

- Davidson, who is prime aged already, looks a fringe AFL footballer, albeit perhaps with a moderate amount of upside to come. He may make a reasonable career, but he does not look like a needle mover.

- We had players of similar calibre/size/age to play the same sort of role, Ralphsmith, Trezise, with already Trainor, Alger drafted since who may be wing prospects.

- As a general forward Davidson would not even be fringe in our future teams, competing against the likes of Lalor, Hotton and Campbell, who are all already better than him, despite being 3-4 years younger.

- Our quest with low value picks at the time was clearly to get an over supply of key position prospects to the club, thus Blight, Gray to join Fawcett, Young & Lefau before them. This strategy as a whole will net us mature key position players that will have greater value than another fringe winger/general forward of dubious class and courage was ever going to have.

Your dismay over missing Davidson is about 1000% greater than in needs to be.

Not sure about that Ed. Probably meant we wouldn't have given McIntosh or Dow a contract as they were last to be re-signed for 1-year deals. Would've preferred Davidson to both of thos guys.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Not sure about that Ed. Probably meant we wouldn't have given McIntosh or Dow a contract as they were last to be re-signed for 1-year deals. Would've preferred Davidson to both of thos guys.

They were on the list as:

- in Dow's case, inside mid depth, a role Davidson is not going to fill.

- in McIntosh's case, leadership, experience, big body, Milwaukee toolbox takeover segments, all the things he brought to the table. The club felt it needed this and Davidson was not going to be providing any of those things. Milwaukee don't manufacture stethoscopes.

List management must be about a lot more than just getting the 40 odd most talented players on your list at any given time. There would only be a certain amount of list spots assigned to fringe flawed wing/flank types and Ralphsmith & Trezise was probably our allotment. Richmond would have been in the position to know already that Sam Davidson was not notably better than these players.

 

[Barunga Bullet]

Had Richmond taken Davidson with the unused MSD pick, there is no Jasper Alger. Who would you prefer on Richmond's list right now, Davidson, or Alger?

There is a reason there are posters not "admitting" the decision not to draft Davidson was wrong. That is because it wasn't wrong. You have been provided with all the reasons the decision is not wrong:

- Davidson, who is prime aged already, looks a fringe AFL footballer, albeit perhaps with a moderate amount of upside to come. He may make a reasonable career, but he does not look like a needle mover.

- We had players of similar calibre/size/age to play the same sort of role, Ralphsmith, Trezise, with already Trainor, Alger drafted since who may be wing prospects.

- As a general forward Davidson would not even be fringe in our future teams, competing against the likes of Lalor, Hotton and Campbell, who are all already better than him, despite being 3-4 years younger.

- Our quest with low value picks at the time was clearly to get an over supply of key position prospects to the club, thus Blight, Gray to join Fawcett, Young & Lefau before them. This strategy as a whole will net us mature key position players that will have greater value than another fringe winger/general forward of dubious class and courage was ever going to have.

Your dismay over missing Davidson is about 1000% greater than in needs to be.

hey Mods, can we please ban this bloke? He's making too much sense for this board

 

[Aido97]

Prestia is the obvious one for me. Missing a chance to bring in a two way hard working mid by keeping him on when he is clearly cooked. He’s been a champion but list spots are precious. Make him a coach if his input is valued so highly.

Offers way more than Dow or Sonsie ever will.

Prestia isnt standing in our way of bringing in other mids and should be told no guarantee of a spot if he isnt playing well enough

 

[The Vaucluse]

I’ve not heard any mention of Richmond interest in Holland. So where does this talk come from?

Michael discussed the possibility in a podcast based on media speculation.

 

[4tune8]

No, we aren't. 36 on the main list, less Kmac & Kozi is 34 plus Campbell & the 3 new draftees is 38.

We could technically re-sign all 3 of Dow, Smith & Sonsie. However, talk of us getting Rosas Jnr probably makes Dow's spot questionable, hence why they club has told him he has to wait. We still also have a Cat A rookie spot and Cat B rookie spot available.

The outliner is Young, he is a Cat A rookie so if we lose him, we will have 2 Cat A rookie spots available.

If Young leaves then we could delist Dow & Smith and take them as Cat A rookies. Would open a list spot for Rosas and a potential swap of pick 4 for 2 other picks, meaning we could take 4 draftees, plus Rosas and promote Campbell.

Robey
Farrow (prefer over Grlj)
Barker (or Le Ray)
Kellaway
Rosas
Campbell (promoted

 

[Ballin]

Had Richmond taken Davidson with the unused MSD pick, there is no Jasper Alger. Who would you prefer on Richmond's list right now, Davidson, or Alger?

There is a reason there are posters not "admitting" the decision not to draft Davidson was wrong. That is because it wasn't wrong. You have been provided with all the reasons the decision is not wrong:

- Davidson, who is prime aged already, looks a fringe AFL footballer, albeit perhaps with a moderate amount of upside to come. He may make a reasonable career, but he does not look like a needle mover.

- We had players of similar calibre/size/age to play the same sort of role, Ralphsmith, Trezise, with already Trainor, Alger drafted since who may be wing prospects.

- As a general forward Davidson would not even be fringe in our future teams, competing against the likes of Lalor, Hotton and Campbell, who are all already better than him, despite being 3-4 years younger.

- Our quest with low value picks at the time was clearly to get an over supply of key position prospects to the club, thus Blight, Gray to join Fawcett, Young & Lefau before them. This strategy as a whole will net us mature key position players that will have greater value than another fringe winger/general forward of dubious class and courage was ever going to have.

Your dismay over missing Davidson is about 1000% greater than in needs to be.

I don't think it's a big deal ... just can't believe that people, including yourself are spending all this time and energy, trying to say it wasn't a mistake.

And the missing on Alger argument doesn't hold water ... could have retired KMac a year earlier (or better still closed the Dow file ) ... Davidson with his elite running capacity was clearly a wing.

Trainor (back) , Alger (forward) and Tresize (utility) are not wings ... we are just playing them there because we don't have another wing (well we do but Judson Clarke ain't playing anytime soon)

You are getting so desperate now that you are questioning his class and courage ... seriously?

What is dubious is the clubs strategy of building a list with 6 full forwards Armstrong, Faull, Sims, LeFau, Lynch and Fawcett and 7 full backs Balta, Miller, Young, Gibcus, Gray, Blight and Kosi (not to mention Bauer) whilst missing a free swing for outside run and speed leaving us to try and find it in a draft full of VFL standard footballers (the last line is me trolling)

Now that we just delisted three of them? All part of the plan, right?

No, we aren't. 36 on the main list, less Kmac & Kozi is 34 plus Campbell & the 3 new draftees is 38.

We could technically re-sign all 3 of Dow, Smith & Sonsie. However, talk of us getting Rosas Jnr probably makes Dow's spot questionable, hence why they club has told him he has to wait. We still also have a Cat A rookie spot and Cat B rookie spot available.

The outliner is Young, he is a Cat A rookie so if we lose him, we will have 2 Cat A rookie spots available.

Pretty accurate ... though Campbell can count as one of the 3 draftees when upgraded to the main list and Kellaway can be added to a rookie spot straight after the ND if not bid on by another team as I understand it.

 

[Tackle Bag]

Offers way more than Dow or Sonsie ever will.

Prestia isnt standing in our way of bringing in other mids and should be told no guarantee of a spot if he isnt playing well enough

If they start round one next year with Prestia playing we’ll enough will know. It completely throws out the mix

 

[wegetpumped]

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Richmond not selecting him isn’t as disastrous as you make it out to be.

Take Round 18 as an example—12 disposals with 4 clangers, which translates to only 8 effective disposals.

If Hugo Ralphsmith managed only 8 effective disposals, the outcry from this board calling for his removal from the team would be immense.

Sam Davidson is a good average player, not the 2nd coming of Dustin Martin.

You're right about his stats, but what the stats don't tell you is that he was played out of position, as he proved at Dogs, he's a winger, and we played him forward. Don't get me wrong, I was on the no get camp due to those stats, but I don't get paid, and it's all down to the club.

 

[wegetpumped]

I’ve not heard any mention of Richmond interest in Holland. So where does this talk come from?

From the insiders program called tiger BF hehe

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Huh? We had our reasons for selecting those guys, and I’m very bullish on Gray. Blight was playing terrific footy in WA.

But again …. Davidson’s performances PRIOR to the MSD did not scream ‘pick me’ - overall he was average … which is why EVERY club with a MSD selection bypassed him.

His footy after the MSD was very good, but we decided to not use a top-30 pick on him, which was a no-brainer.

We were all screaming for Doc to be picked in the msd!

It was a disaster amd shows exactly why we are a bottom club

Love how he played a BOG first half against us this year, just to rub in how dumb that msd call was

 

[docko911]

We were all screaming for Doc to be picked in the msd!

It was a disaster amd shows exactly why we are a bottom club

Love how he played a BOG first half against us this year, just to rub in how dumb that msd call was

Love how overrated he is because he played for the biggest downhill skiers in the league.

His best games came against us, Carlton and West Coast. Take away those 3 games from his averages and you basically have HRS. Same age, same job, different super fund.