Essendon's alternate strip

[dmc333]

Mantis: smash the system, burn the australian flag, revolt against the government!

...but don't touch the essendon jumper

 

[kane249]

Crowd size is relevent...Without members/supporters you have nothing...

If your passionate about the ground and the tradition it holds, pay to increase the seating to an acceptable level for the AFL

 

[Matt_TY]

If we can't play at our home ground (and if we couldn't play there, there was little point training there; I've been to the Lexus Centre foyer with all of our 14 VFL/AFL cups arrayed and our tradition right there, displayed and intact) then we will keep what part of our identity we can still bring into the games - our jumper - in black and white stripes.

As to your latest rubbish: Carlton apparently had a ground of acceptable capacity to the AFL. Waverley was also of acceptable seating capacity for the AFL; bigger than TD infact. Got them a long way.

 

[mantis]

Mantis: smash the system, burn the australian flag, revolt against the government!

...but don't touch the essendon jumper

That's it comrade.

 

[Sebastian Balboa]

Is Essendon the only football club in the world to have not changed its original playing strip....ever?
And that they hold the record in world football (sport?) for having the same strip the longest?
If so, I hope they never EVER change what they wear.

And if the AFL said to you tomorrow, OK collingwood, you can play all your games back at Victoria Park, including Anzac day, you would be ok with this?

This still doesn't explain the abandonment of Victoria Park for the Lexus centre either.

Abandoning Tradition seems to be fine im some cases, but not fine in others. Your making hypocrites of yourselves.

I understand where you're coming from. After all, your club has a tradition of swilling in shit.

 

[buggermedumplings]

If your passionate about the ground and the tradition it holds, pay to increase the seating to an acceptable level for the AFL

Mate am I speaking Spanish?

I conceaded that playing at our ground is not an option. Anyway who in their right mind will increase capacity at Windy Hill to 50k?

 

[kane249]

If we can't play at our home ground (and if we couldn't play there, there was little point training there; I've been to the Lexus Centre foyer with all of our 14 VFL/AFL cups arrayed and our tradition right there, displayed and intact) and we will keep what part of our identity we can still bring into the games - our jumper - in black and white stripes.

As to your latest rubbish: Carlton apparently had a ground of acceptable capacity to the AFL. Waverley was also of acceptable seating capacity for the AFL; bigger than TD infact. Got them a long way.

The facilities at both were not deemd up to scratch, hence why they got abandoned.

So if you couldn't play at Victoria Park you saw no reason to stay there? What type of a bs excuse is that?
Essendon stayed at Windy Hill
Saint Kilda Stayed at moorabin
North Melbourne stayed at Arden street, and despite being a much poorer club then you are paying to get the place renovated
Richmond stayed at Punt Road
The Western Bulldogs stayed at the Whitten Oval

If it was good enough for those proud victorian clubs to not abandon their traditions and move even though they may no longer play at their home base, why should Collingwood, the prodest club in Victoria we're led to beleive and the clubs screaming out 'tradition', go against that trend and move?

Again, it's selective Tradionalism when it suits Collingwood

 

[Longy413]

If Man U and Liverpool etc can all change the colours of their uniforms, then why cant Essendon and Collingwood.

They also only play with 11 players on the field and use a round ball.

Hey, lets do what Man U do.

By your own admission you just said they abandoned their traditional home ground in the chase of more members, and more seating, ie they just willingly sold out their tradition in the chase of the coroprate dollar.

Actually, we left our traditional home ground in 1921.
Our traditional home ground doesn't exist anymore, there's a trainline built over it.

To be honest, the jumper issue doesn't bother me. I'm very much sitting on the fence with this one, what happens, happens. I won't be upset either way. I see it as a "nicety" to keep our traditional jumper, I won't cry if we don't.

But, there is a massive difference in the comparison you're trying to make. We have never, ever played every single game at Windy Hill. Not only did we have a home base before that, that we were moved away from because as I said, they build train yards over it, but we have also played games of football all over Australia.

Essendon Football Club playing at Windy Hill has never,ever been a constant through our history.

One thing, the only thing that has been a constant throughout our history is wearing a predominately black jumper with a red sash. This is what the majority of fans want to keep.

I hope the club does wear our traditional jumper, just because it would be interesting to see what the AFL does in response.

 

[acker]

Collingwood not wanting to change
Why did Collingwood put red sposorship logos all over thier jumper and basically force an unnecesarry clash with St Kilda.

 

[mantis]

Mate am I speaking Spanish?

I conceaded that playing at our ground is not an option. Anyway who in their right mind will increase capacity at Windy Hill to 50k?

I'm pretty sure the council & local residents were against it, hence why we looked for somewhere else to play, but the "johnny come lately" club supporters weren't around then, to know what was happening.

 

[tribey]

Arguing this issue with Essendon fans is like arguing with religious fundamentalists.

You walk away with a migraine and wonder how the human race has survived as long as it has.

They also only play with 11 players on the field and use a round ball.

Hey, lets do what Man U do.

Oh dear.

 

[mantis]

Oh dear.

So it's OK to use soccer for your argument to change jumpers & tradition, but not anything else? OK then, typical of the change for change sakes brigade.

 

[parano1a]

its red,black and a bit of white v red,black and white

yeah it really helps the clash

ridiculous

Common sense says St Kilda should be wearing white shorts as they have white in their strip already, Essendon don't.

Essendon in their red shorts perhaps.

 

[tribey]

So it's OK to use soccer for your argument to change jumpers & tradition, but not anything else? OK then, typical of the change for change sakes brigade.

Any other professional sport in fact - and if you're intelligent and mature enough to recognise the example as it is presented.

To use the "if Manchester United jumped off a cliff would you do it? :ROLLEYE:" 'argument' in order to defend you and your club's ridiculous stance is very very ordinary and typical of those who are representing an 'earth is flat' mentality.

 

[Mero]

It seems the over riding argument from those supporting a Clash jumper is that everyone else is doing it.

Are you for real?

Didn't your mum ever ask you "if all your friends were jumping off a bridge would you do that too?"

There's virtually no money in it, as the jumpers are unpopular and not likely to sell, there's the tradtion aspect, and the AFL precedent, which was enacted as recently as 1997. (Port not being allowsed to wear Collingwood's colours)

Because teams like North, West Coast and StKilda have changed their jumpers as often as possible, thereby denying any link to a traditional jumper design, and for some reason this is justification for two clubs who haven't seen the need to do so, now supposedly have to.

This is just being forced on two clubs for no real reason what so ever.
Save, we've all done it, you have to do it too.

 

[tribey]

Didn't your mum ever ask you "if all your friends were jumping off a bridge would you do that too?"

Hayzeus Kryst.

 

[Aussiegod]

My point exactly, thankyou for agreeing. Collingwod bleats traditon and not wanting to change it, yet readily abandoned their traditional home ground instead of upgrading it just to move to better facilities. That my friend is being a hypocrite which is my point.

Essendon stuck to their guns and stayed at Windy Hill and upgraded it which i give them credit for that rather then selling their souls and moving corporate sponsored new facility

Crowd size/facilities should be irrelevant, if traditonalism is what the fans of the club want, they should be prepared to live with their choice and accept it in all areas, not apply it only to the areas which suits them.

You are a complete dipstick.

How can YOU judge on Collingwood from so far away. have you ever been to VP and seen how small it is compared to the grounds of today.
the answer.....NO.
It was unfeasible to spend money on something that couldn't guarantee a return like the clubs of today. Can YOU understand that.??(I doubt it!)
You have no idea of the size of Melbourne and it's congestion....and the residents who live in those tiny houses.
I live in WA now, and I have seen the urban sprawl and already the residents around Subi are sick of footy crowds clogging the streets. Does that surprise you, you dipstick?? And let's not forget the night matches........!!!!
Collingwood's move was ecomimically sensible for survival and they have done it. The MCG was the only viable option around Melbourne to hold night matches.
Are you still with me.....dipstick????
I lived in Melbourne around that area.......so I am qualified to speak............not like you.
I don't tell mouth of the Perth residents about their way of life......you shouldn't mouth off to melbourne people, either.

.......and anothe thing, my smartarse friend......Essendon is further away from the CBD than Collingwood...hence higher rates than them. Essendon don't have the traffic problems like inner Melbourne........but you already knew that????

 

[Longy413]

Any other professional sport in fact - and if you're intelligent and mature enough to recognise the example as it is presented.

To use the "if Manchester United jumped off a cliff would you do it? :ROLLEYE:" 'argument' in order to defend you and your club's ridiculous stance is very very ordinary and typical of those who are representing an 'earth is flat' mentality.

Are you serious?

The greatest thing about AFL has always been the fact that there is nothing else like it. It's our game, it's unique.

Yet we want to make chance and we want to do that with the fall back of "oh that's what Man U do, so it's okay for us."

You're right, my comment was ridiculous, but it's not more ridiculous than stating we should do something because it's okay for Man U and they have more money and more fans than us. Perhaps, that was my point.

Sure, lets take things from other sports. Medical techniques, training techniques and the like. But if we are going to change fundamental aspects of our game and use "Man U do it" as a fall back, we're struggling. We're really, really struggling.

Arguing this subject with Essendon fans is a dead end. Because the majority are passionate enough about the club and the jumper to not budge. Matthew Clarke made comment during the week in the massive difference between being at Brisbane/Adelaide and at St Kilda. The difference between playing at a manufactured club and a traditional club. Perhaps you're not in a position to understand exactly what this means to some people.

Like I said earlier, I don't really mind what happens. I'm not a massive advocate for keeping our jumper. However, the Man U do it, we should line doesn't work on me. It's crap, it's cheap and it's nasty.

 

[Aussiegod]

Is Essendon the only football club in the world to have not changed its original playing strip....ever?
And that they hold the record in world football (sport?) for having the same strip the longest?
If so, I hope they never EVER change what they wear.



I understand where you're coming from. After all, your club has a tradition of swilling in shit.

Me too......I hope they never changs....there is NO reason why they should
Richmond have the same stripe.....and I hope they never change, either.

 

[mantis]

Are you serious?

The greatest thing about AFL has always been the fact that there is nothing else like it. It's our game, it's unique.

Yet we want to make chance and we want to do that with the fall back of "oh that's what Man U do, so it's okay for us."

You're right, my comment was ridiculous, but it's not more ridiculous than stating we should do something because it's okay for Man U and they have more money and more fans than us. Perhaps, that was my point.

Sure, lets take things from other sports. Medical techniques, training techniques and the like. But if we are going to change fundamental aspects of our game and use "Man U do it" as a fall back, we're struggling. We're really, really struggling.

Arguing this subject with Essendon fans is a dead end. Because the majority are passionate enough about the club and the jumper to not budge. Matthew Clarke made comment during the week in the massive difference between being at Brisbane/Adelaide and at St Kilda. The difference between playing at a manufactured club and a traditional club. Perhaps you're not in a position to understand exactly what this means to some people.

Like I said earlier, I don't really mind what happens. I'm not a massive advocate for keeping our jumper. However, the Man U do it, we should line doesn't work on me. It's crap, it's cheap and it's nasty.

That's all that needs to be said, but something the newbie clubs members don't understand & never will.

 

[tribey]

Are you serious?

Quite serious, yes.

The greatest thing about AFL has always been the fact that there is nothing else like it. It's our game, it's unique.

Yes. Relevance to the subject at hand? Nil.

Yet we want to make chance and we want to do that with the fall back of "oh that's what Man U do, so it's okay for us."

That's not the argument at all, I would've thought the inference in raising Man United or Liverpool or Juventus or the LA Lakers or the NY Yankees was quite clear.

You're right, my comment was ridiculous, but it's not more ridiculous than stating we should do something because it's okay for Man U and they have more money and more fans than us. Perhaps, that was my point.

Again, completely missing the point.

Sure, lets take things from other sports. Medical techniques, training techniques and the like. But if we are going to change fundamental aspects of our game and use "Man U do it" as a fall back, we're struggling. We're really, really struggling.

Having teams run around in kits of a similar colour to the point where players and spectators can have difficulty separating the teams visually is a 'fundamental aspect' we should've fixed decades ago - as scores of clubs from other codes did.

Arguing this subject with Essendon fans is a dead end. Because the majority are passionate enough about the club and the jumper to not budge.

My word it's a dead end.

If West Adelaide entered the league with their current guernsey you'd still say there wasn't a jumper clash to meet your own ends.

Matthew Clarke made comment during the week in the massive difference between being at Brisbane/Adelaide and at St Kilda. The difference between playing at a manufactured club and a traditional club. Perhaps you're not in a position to understand exactly what this means to some people.

Port Adelaide aren't manufactured. They're as traditional and as culturally rich as you can get - yet they're not even allowed to wear their own traditional prison bar guernsey, during heritage round, in a game which doesn't even involve Collingwood, because Eddie is defending his club's 'intellectual property'.

Essendon are no different. They hide behind 'tradition' in order to defeat common sense - hence my 'religious fundamentalist' comment earlier.

No amount of evidence or logic can sway you because you're entrenched in your beliefs.

Like I said earlier, I don't really mind what happens. I'm not a massive advocate for keeping our jumper. However, the Man U do it, we should line doesn't work on me. It's crap, it's cheap and it's nasty.

Again, as far as the 'Man United' example goes, you've missed the point entirely.

 

[Aussiegod]

Ah.....I dunno....these interstate "Jonny-come-lately's" wanna run the show.

If you don't like it...get back to your own league and prop it up.


We like our jumpers as they are......so lump it.!

 

[Longy413]

I haven't missed the point, because there isn't one.
What happens in other codes in regards to uniforms has absolutely no relevance on our game. None, at all. None.

I've never had an issue differentiating between two teams. Maybe that's just me. I've never heard a player come out and say they kicked to an opposition player they thought was their teammate because their jumper looked similar. This is an issue because the AFL decided to make it one. And that's fine, their welcome to have their own agenda. It doesn't mean all clubs and all supporters have to support it.

If West Adelaide entered the league there would most definately be a clash. Don't put words in my mouth, especially when you have failed to see the two times I've mentioned that I'm neither here, nor there on this issue. I don't really care what jumper we run out in.

Also, don't speak for Essendon FC. You don't know their agenda. At the end of the day you can critisise EFC and their "agenda" but the AFL made a request, EFC upheld that request and produced a clash jumper. The AFL approved that jumper and it now looks like EFC will wear it. The supporters might not like it, but EFC had played this one by the rules.

As for evidence and logic, there isn't any. This is purely an emotional subject.

 

[tribey]

Ah.....I dunno....these interstate "Jonny-come-lately's" wanna run the show.

If you don't like it...get back to your own league and prop it up!

Obviously not old enough to remember which league was propped by whom then?

 

[nonchalance]

I ask again, if the AFL gave you open slather to play your games at your tradtional home ground would you be happy to play your games there?

The answer no, because you want to play at the bigger grounds and earn more money

Well, we don't really earn more money from TD in raw terms than we would if Windy Hill could seat 25000 - if we take Geelong's numbers as accurate and transferable, anyway. TD's much more expensive to run.
We play at TD because it's better for the competition. The AFL earns much more from us playing at TD than it would from us playing at TD, even if for us it's pretty much a value-neutral proposition.