Explain the forward press to me

[PieNSauce]

No matter what your views are on the press, it's never been more important to have a few players in your side who are exceptional long and accurate kicks of the pill. There will be a high emphasis on drafting players who have great foot skills and can use the ball, more so than just ball magnets

No surprise that when asked over a month ago, Buckley stated that this will be a big priority in future recruiting for Collingwood under his stewardship. Nor is it a surpsise to see Leon in the backline and Buckley getting plenty of games.

 

[Daicos Mullets]

When will someone acknowledge the fact that the forward press was a tactic born from soccer?

I LOL at the fact that people are giving Mick Malthouse credit for inventing the forward press. Its a crock of rubbish. Hes just taken a tactic invented in soccer by Andres Villa Boas and slightly altered it into one that can be used in a AFL setup.

Collingwood didnt invent the forward press, soccer and more specifically Andres Villa Boas did.

Mick Malthouse himself said that he actually drew many of the ideas from other sports, particularly basketball & soccer.

Other posters in this thread have said that the press is an evolution of 'Clarkson's Cluster' at Hawthorn & Ross Lyon's 'Saints Footy'.

I really can't understand why you're getting so worked up about Malthouse supposedly claiming the credit for this tactic/gameplan.

 

[AFLCMG]

I bumped into this article at fansunite good summary of the effects of the press. http://www.fansunite.com.au/2014/06/17/4622/the-ps-if-killing-afl

My vote is it hurts the spectacle

 

[JoondalupJ]

I bumped into this article at fansunite good summary of the effects of the press. http://www.fansunite.com.au/2014/06/17/4622/the-ps-if-killing-afl

My vote is it hurts the spectacle

That says what I've said , the comment in the article about Roos is correct.

 

[Kram]

Forward Press

 

[Forward Press]

Forward Press

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[LosBeatles]

Wouldnt you be better off at least leaving your best 1:1 forward inside your F50 as a long target at all times?

This is why Hawthorn always destroy the Dockers, it doesn't matter how many turnovers the forward press creates when the last player get's the ball 80 metres from goal with no one in front of him. The Hawks are the most organised team in the league and have enough time to set up a defensive structure the dockers can't penetrate.

I wonder why Lyon doesn't at least leave one player to stand where the forward 50 meets the boundry. Then even if he is double or triple teamed they can bomb the ball to him and he can knock it out of bounds, giving the rest of the team time to get forward. How much difference can it really make flooding with 17 players instead of 18???? But sadly it seems Lyon hasn't learned from last year or his past 3 GF losses

 

[Kram]

I reckon the side boundaries at the MCG should be brought in at least 5 metres to make the FP work better.

 

[dickballsack]

Has a few different incarnations. One method is just to flood the defensive 50, but the rolling zone is a far more structured version of it.

Basically every player sets up on kick in's, guarding designated areas rather than going man on man. It's intention is that anywhere that opposition kicker brings the ball out to can be quickly shut down by several defenders converging and forcing 2-3 on one contests. If the team bringing it out successfully finds a target, the entire zone rolls back up the field.

The best exponents of it place their best contested marks 70-80 meters out from their goal on opposition kick ins. You see Cox, Kennedy, Hurn etc take many a contested mark of opposition balls coming out of defense doing exactly this.

And yes, it's a tactic that is very physically taxing and it can break down easily once fatigue sets in. The eagles have basically been trialing it for 3 years but the kids haven't had the tank/nous to pull it off until now

That's pretty much spot on, there's no such thing as a forward press really it's all moved to the rolling zone or press however the intention isn't so much to shut players down now but rather force a kick to where the defending team want it to go. Teams set up like a fusball table following each other systematically like they're connected by rods. This system of play is the reason disposal accuracy is almost more important than contested ball and contested marks. I still reckon it's a great game to watch especially live where you can see player gut run and spread once someone wins the ball. I still don't know why the commentators always mention that there's no one in the half of the ground or that '30 players are near this ball up'. So what, as a punter watching that's irrelevant. It's like the interchange rules - that was brought to a head purely because of the media hype about how many interchanges there were. Has anyone ever gone to a game and thought, my god I can't believe how many interchanges there's been!

 

[dickballsack]

Mick Malthouse himself said that he actually drew many of the ideas from other sports, particularly basketball & soccer.

Other posters in this thread have said that the press is an evolution of 'Clarkson's Cluster' at Hawthorn & Ross Lyon's 'Saints Footy'.

I really can't understand why you're getting so worked up about Malthouse supposedly claiming the credit for this tactic/gameplan.

The zone or box formation Collingwood employed was an evolution of the Lyon forward press but it was a plan devised by Buckley and came directly from soccer which he brought back after his 3 month work study with Arsenal ( I think it was?). This ultimately ended up being the demise of micks and bucks relationship after mick was on 'the Couch' and when asked about the game plan said straight faced that he got he idea from reading war books. Bucks brought it up tongue in cheek a couple of days later at a training session. The story I got was that he asked him if he could borrow one of his war books.