Science/Environment Explaining evolution and natural selection.

[CM86]

Clearly you still have no idea what the theory of evolution actually is.

 

[Total Power]

The universe just is....Evolve is a man made concept denoting gradual development from one stage to another....It actually explains nothing.

Stars which die, burn out & implode are actually devolving.....By attaching the notion of change & time in the one concept (evolve) you are attempting to claim ownership of causality itself in an abstract concept....Not only that.....It also inheres a teleological component.... It is utter nonsense,and it explains nothing.

You are talking pseudo science here, so i dont have much to say.. wrong thread for you. If you wish to talk nonsense create your own thread

 

[Total Power]

Clearly you still have no idea what the theory of evolution actually is.

he doesnt know what "theory" is either.

 

[Total Power]

Man-made this man made that, **** me... you wanna talk about pink unicorn mate concept injected in your brain magically by a flying pig, go ahead but this is an evolution thread to discuss evolution and related subjects... if you dont wish to discuss this why are you posting in this thread?

 

[CM86]

Man-made this man made that, **** me... you wanna talk about pink unicorn mate concept injected in your brain magically by a flying pig, go ahead but this is an evolution thread to discuss evolution and related subjects... if you dont wish to discuss this why are you posting in this thread?

He is an idiot. He is trying to use someone else's argument from another topic (that he was against), to support his position here.

Really is the biggest try hard I've ever come across.

 

[Total Power]

He is an idiot. He is trying to use someone else's argument from another topic (that he was against), to support his position here.

Really is the biggest try hard I've ever come across.

Honestly i didnt realise that philosophy came from a divine source, the concept he talks about so proudly is "man made" (as in thought) as well and he himself being a man trying to discredit "man made" stuff is hilarious to say the least. Also time is man-made blah blah, yeah whatever, i tried reasoning with him, its impossible to do so. He lives in a world of his own. Maybe he can disprove the concept of space-time and get that nobel.

 

[Procrastinator35]

From John Gray's Atheist Delusion:

''In The God Delusion, Dawkins attempts to explain the appeal of religion in terms of the theory of memes, vaguely defined conceptual units that compete with one another in a parody of natural selection. He recognises that, because humans have a universal tendency to religious belief, it must have had some evolutionary advantage, but today, he argues, it is perpetuated mainly through bad education. From a Darwinian standpoint, the crucial role Dawkins gives to education is puzzling. Human biology has not changed greatly over recorded history, and if religion is hardwired in the species, it is difficult to see how a different kind of education could alter this. Yet Dawkins seems convinced that if it were not inculcated in schools and families, religion would die out. This is a view that has more in common with a certain type of fundamentalist theology than with Darwinian theory, and I cannot help being reminded of the evangelical Christian who assured me that children reared in a chaste environment would grow up without illicit sexual impulses.''

 

[Total Power]

how is that related to evolution? why are you spamming all threads with a moronic article from a pissed off atheist?

 

[Procrastinator35]

More from Gray

"Dawkins's "memetic theory of religion" is a classic example of the nonsense that is spawned when Darwinian thinking is applied outside its proper sphere. Along with Dennett, who also holds to a version of the theory, Dawkins maintains that religious ideas survive because they would be able to survive in any "meme pool", or else because they are part of a "memeplex" that includes similar memes, such as the idea that, if you die as a martyr, you will enjoy 72 virgins. Unfortunately, the theory of memes is science only in the sense that Intelligent Design is science. Strictly speaking, it is not even a theory. Talk of memes is just the latest in a succession of ill-judged Darwinian metaphors."

Bingo.

 

[Total Power]

 

[Total Power]

You have moved from Rumi to Gray, do you take turns or what? stop obsessing over a stupid article from a pissed off atheist

 

[Procrastinator35]

You have moved from Rumi to Gray, do you take turns or what? stop obsessing over a stupid article from a pissed off atheist

Address the articles points 'quick-draw'.

 

[Total Power]

Address the articles points 'quick-draw'.

Where do i start? I seem to recall that Richard Dawkins has some “better-than-simple” understanding of evolutionary theory that he might draw upon when he professes on religion and its origins and effects and even by grays own admissions in the excerpts here, religion is a concoction of if not lies, then certainly delusions — does Gray just disagree that they are “poisonous” concoctions? i would be interested to know that.

 

[M Malice]

The universe just is....Evolve is a man made concept denoting gradual development from one stage to another....It actually explains nothing.

Stars which die, burn out & implode are actually devolving.....By attaching the notion of change & time in the one concept (evolve) you are attempting to claim ownership of causality itself in an abstract concept....Not only that.....It also inheres a teleological component.... It is utter nonsense,and it explains nothing.

we agree, the universe just is. i thought your view was that it was created?

IMO all that exists just is, the universe, humans, animals, plants, minerals etc... exist because it can, no purpose, we have evolved to a stage of self awareness and that has allowed us to ponder these questions. nobody said the evolution process was perfect, maybe we are a mutation, here for but a blink in time, dare i say "a brief candle in the dark" ?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Now that the source for Lethality's anti-religious meme quest nonsense has been exposed (The Dawkins/Dennets Delusion); I wonder if he will persist with this Atheistic, Evangelical, sheeple nut-baggery?

 

[Procrastinator35]

we agree, the universe just is. i thought your view was that it was created?

IMO all that exists just is, the universe, humans, animals, plants, minerals etc... exist because it can, no purpose, we have evolved to a stage of self awareness and that has allowed us to ponder these questions. nobody said the evolution process was perfect, maybe we are a mutation, here for but a blink in time, dare i say "a brief candle in the dark" ?

I have no issue with the Aristotelian notion/premise of the eternity of the cosmos....Given that all there is, is the eternal present, how could I not?

Mankind, on the other hand, not so much....Our mortal nature is finite & yet we can conceptually grasp the notion of the eternal.

Therein lies the rub.

 

[M Malice]

I have no issue with the Aristotelian notion/premise of the eternity of the cosmos....Given that all there is, is the eternal present, how could I not?

Mankind, on the other hand, not so much....Our mortal nature is finite & yet we can conceptually grasp the notion of the eternal.

Therein lies the rub.

so is your premise- if it can be thought of or pondered that is proof of the possibility of it's existence?

 

[Procrastinator35]

so is your premise- if it can be thought of or pondered that is proof of the possibility of it's existence?

That's Not proof....As we are finite & can never be certain....But it is logical to assume it, based upon that conception.

 

[M Malice]

That's Not proof....As we are finite & can never be certain...But it is logical to assume it, based upon that conception.

i did say the possibility, are you saying you have a hint of agnosticism in you?

 

[Procrastinator35]

i did say the possibility, are you saying you have a hint of agnosticism in you?

I was once an Atheist too, until I came to my census...Sue me.

The whole point of this debate is the uncertain, unknowable nature & origin of life, consciousness & existence.

None of us know for certain, but we can offer arguments for & against, this version as opposed to that one.

Have said this many times: Not sold on Evolutionary theory, but it remains our current best scientific guess....And it still inadequately accounts for mankind's unique consciousness.

I'll stick by mythos, all the same....A far more holistic, all-encompassing approach, in my view....It suits my temperament.

 

[M Malice]

I was once an Atheist too, until I came to my census...Sue me.

The whole point of this debate is the uncertain, unknowable nature & origin of life, consciousness & existence.

None of us know for certain, but we can offer arguments for & against, this version as opposed to that one.

Have said this many times: Not sold on Evolutionary theory, but it remains our current best scientific guess....And it still inadequately accounts for mankind's unique consciousness.

I'll stick by mythos, all the same....A far more holistic, all-encompassing approach, in my view....It suits my temperament.

thanks for the openness of your reply. a couple of points-

1) i think your term "best Scientific guess" is (i don't know if intentional) a bit of an attempted put down of science. IMO the evolutionary process is a hell of a lot more than a guess, it is a scientific theory. see link please.>http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scientific-theory

2) although i have classed myself as an atheist in the past, looking back i have always either been a believer or an agnostic as i am now. we may not be as far apart as we assume we are. i am open to the possibility of the existence of a higher intelligence although i am not as certain as you usually appear to be. i however have no time for institutionalized religion.

 

[Procrastinator35]

thanks for the openness of your reply. a couple of points-

1) i think your term "best Scientific guess" is (i don't know if intentional) a bit of an attempted put down of science. IMO the evolutionary process is a hell of a lot more than a guess, it is a scientific theory. see link please.>http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scientific-theory

2) although i have classed myself as an atheist in the past, looking back i have always either been a believer or an agnostic as i am now. we may not be as far apart as we assume we are. i am open to the possibility of the existence of a higher intelligence although i am not as certain as you usually appear to be. i however have no time for institutionalized religion.

Nah....Not a put-down of science.....More a specification of context.

There's the scientific approach & there's the religious approach to cosmogony....I prefer the latter....Which is not to say, I ignore the former.

Besides, you guys are always here to remind me.

 

[brett15]

What would you say are the major evolutionary pressures that the sun faced that resulted in it adapting the way it has?

Discernment
Absolution
Creation -> without Sun none of that can happen

 

[Total Power]

Nah....Not a put-down of science.....More a specification of context.

There's the scientific approach & there's the religious approach to cosmogony....I prefer the latter....Which is not to say, I ignore the former.

Besides, you guys are always here to remind me.

Lol yep this is exactly the problem with you... man made concepts blah blah, well religion and philosophy were also written by man and thought of using a man's brain the difference is its written without evidence, theres a high possibility all that you have written is pure drivel

 

[Total Power]

Have said this many times: Not sold on Evolutionary theory, but it remains our current best scientific guess....And it still inadequately accounts for mankind's unique consciousness.

What is unique? Homo erectus and homo habilis were intelligent people too with IQ's around 50. Your doubts come lack of information and knowledge, neanderthals were very intelligent actually with IQ's in the high 70's .You may not be sold on ToE that doesnt mean anything really, its has more substance in it than your theory of god, thats for it