Analysis Fade Outs

[ChappyUK]

Becoming a very familiar and worrying part of our game. A Close goal mid way through the last and the result could have been very different.

What is the issue? Do we get complacent. Are we not able to adapt when the opposition react. Is it fitness?

Hoping we work out the problem very soon.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

Concentration, fitness, mindset most likely a combination of all of these.
I'm just happy with the win coach will address on Monday

 

[David the Cat]

This is elite level football….no side is going to control a match for the whole game. (or very rarely)….they are not playing a lower level side.

Our fadeouts are when the opposing side takes the ascendancy….this is going to happen, especially with inexperienced players on the park. We won 3 of the four quarters, we outscored them after 1/4 time, even though we had blitzed them early..I think further re-iterating structures and roles and developing skills would be a higher priority this week.

I think we have to be careful not to underestimate the opposition either….….they are elite footballers, and not a bad side….

A 7 goal win is a great result.

 

[Turbocat]

We are developing our scoring thru risking play on style , and probably succeeding when the other side is structured for their offence or perhaps not quite engaged. We catch them a little off because , imo, our best is a little bit better than our results indicate.

Then as the other side redresses issues and our young side loses its initial omphh .... our entries are slowed..

Our young guys are very young. They are still learning how good they can be , play well and they benchmarking their new "best" . Mostly when you do that its a mental hurdle. Gregson now has kicked 3 , that will probably see him unfazzed by reaching three next time. Blitz build stats , Cockatoos first goal.....

On top of that recent history will play with all their brains. It build a self fulling prophecy. Start getting some wins on the board , and their confidence will build with group thats around them now. Take Kelly, Bartel, Mackie etc...out a side and the big game experience is depleted.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

Loved the risk & reward style of play

 

[you pick one]

If we had kicked better in the third quarter it wouldn't have look to bad,we were never going to keep the pace of the first two quarters up for 100 minutes.Much improved effort we never really lost control of the game.

 

[Willo_]

Whilst I didn't like the way the gap closed in the 3rd we butchered 3 or 4 kickable goals. So it's not like we were without chances.

Still a concern but not as bad as some of the times we have just stopped

 

[catempire]

Combination of things but still concerning we don't seem to have an executable plan to stop a team when they kick consecutive goals. One turns into two turns into five. It has been a problem for a few years now.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yes, it's odd to bring up this topic in the one game where it didn't happen.

 

[Frappe]

A few weeks ago it was reported in the papers that teams are coming out with a view to putting the game away and then conserving as much as possible. What's separating the top teams from the bottom is their ability to contain the opposition whilst conserving themselves.

Probably explains us last night a little.

 

[Vdubs]

6 day turnarounds highlight our fixture; like it or not, it IS a factor.
And we won by nearly 7 goals - nothing but praise for that effort.

 

[ChappyUK]

Yes, it's odd to bring up this topic in the one game where it didn't happen.

Letting the score get back to 23 points and not kicking a goal for 40 minutes. Think that counts.

 

[ChappyUK]

6 day turnarounds highlight our fixture; like it or not, it IS a factor.
And we won by nearly 7 goals - nothing but praise for that effort.

I loved the first half. Most impressive they've been and I can see our season improving on the back of this. Still think the flat patches are a major concern. 40 point leads are nothing these days things can get away from you very quickly.

 

[winty]

Was it really a fade out last night, or simply a case of us not making the most of our opportunities after half time? We were outscored 6.5 to 4.6 in the 2nd half, and several of our misses were gettable, not to mention Clark's shank and Guthrie burning off a few teammates in the last term.

 

[ChappyUK]

Was it really a fade out last night, or simply a case of us not making the most of our opportunities after half time? We were outscored 6.5 to 4.6 in the 2nd half, and several of our misses were gettable, not to mention Clark's shank and Guthrie burning off a few teammates in the last term.

Maybe but no goal for 40 mins and giving the Pies a sniff wasn't great. If White and Close could kick straight things could have been very different.

Was a great effort but the goal droughts are becoming pretty common.

 

[winty]

Maybe but no goal for 40 mins and giving the Pies a sniff wasn't great. If White and Close could kick straight things could have been very different.

Was a great effort but the goal droughts are becoming pretty common.

Collingwood were always going to mount a comeback at some stage though. They're too proud a side to just roll over meekly like Carlton did against them last week.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Letting the score get back to 23 points and not kicking a goal for 40 minutes. Think that counts.

Nope, Collingwood made a few role and structural changes which allowed them to play better and get more reward for their efforts. It was simply part of the inevitable and near universal ebb and flow of modern football matches between two teams at a similar level. It was the first quarter which was the outlier.

 

[4quarter_cat]

The 3rd was hard to watch, but it didn't feel like the blowouts from earlier in the season because we were still creating chances.

I mean Clark his the post, he shanked that other one which he probably nails 9 times out of 10. Someone else pushed one wide. Guthrie missed too.

Yes Collingwood didn't make us pay the way a better team might have, but on reflection it was pleasing to see it actually wasn't a period of all 1 way traffic.

Next week will be a solid test.

Only potential outs at this point that I see would be. Cowan, Cockatoo, and Kersten.

Although it also wouldn't surprise me to see the MC persevere with Cockatoo and Kersten.

Would be interesting to know how far away Mackie and Stokes are. Given the form of other players it seems tough to find a position to force their way back into.

 

[Frappe]

Was it really a fade out last night, or simply a case of us not making the most of our opportunities after half time? We were outscored 6.5 to 4.6 in the 2nd half, and several of our misses were gettable, not to mention Clark's shank and Guthrie burning off a few teammates in the last term.

Agree that we still had as much of the pill as the pies in the 3rd but we just weren't converting. Where we faded, so to speak was in our ability to contain the opposition's scoring. Freo are great at it. Will dominate the game - have a period in the middle where they do little but don't essentially get outscored and then finish off with a burst.

We will get better at this. You can see the team is starting to gel together. Ironically, will be interesting when we see the likes of Stokes, Bartel, Mackie and Kelly return.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

It is a fitness issue 100%... We are fresh and quick in the first quarter. When the 4th quarter comes we are out on our feet and no longer make the required running patterns to get us in good positions. Very worrying signs - so far I give the fitness coach a C.

 

[Bobby_]

It is a fitness issue 100%... We are fresh and quick in the first quarter. When the 4th quarter comes we are out on our feet and no longer make the required running patterns to get us in good positions. Very worrying signs - so far I give the fitness coach a C.

Is it fitness, or is it simply inexperience?
When I say inexperience, I mean new players getting tested by AFL seasoned players and they simply cannot go that next notch up in intensity required.
This is why the perfect age demographic for a premiership requires many 25-27 year old's, as that is the age in which you get men in their prime whom are able to hold their own for nearly four quarters.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Is it fitness, or is it simply inexperience?
When I say inexperience, I mean new players getting tested by AFL seasoned players and they simply cannot go that next notch up in intensity required.
This is why the perfect age demographic for a premiership requires many 25-27 year old's, as that is the age in which you get men in their prime whom are able to hold their own for nearly four quarters.

I don't think it is because teams like GWS and the Bulldogs have young mids and run out games very strongly. I would say it is 75% fitness and 25% the mentality to dig deep and find something more. The boys are getting tired too quickly and teams are running over the top of us - that is the reason we are getting smashed as the game goes on.

 

[4quarter_cat]

Sorry Emu, I can't agree that its because we stop running. If that were the case the 4th quarter would not have played out as it did on friday night.

I actually think part of it is the skill errors that creep into players games as they tire. Doesn't mean they've dropped off any intensity, or that they are running less hard, but when they go to kick it they don't hit the pass quite as crisply, the hand pass is just that bit harder to collect as its not as well timed or directed and they're more fumbly. Its only a few % in dfference but it adds up and possession chains that might have worked brilliantly in the first when everyone is fresh and playing on adrenaline stop working. So you need to adapt and play a slightly less risky game style and stop you opposition playing their game.

The pleasing thing is that on Friday we did stop collingwood from playing their game. At no point was the match played on their terms. They let us play on our terms in the 1st half and we punished them. In the second half it was more of a scrappy affair with neither side being allowed for any period to really gain the ascendency. (Maybe the 3 goals in 3 minutes for us being the exception). We just didn't execute as well as them during this period. Take only 2 kicks as examples. Clark kicks those goals 9 times out of 10.

We will get better at this with experience as other posters have said.

Our problem as it has been for a couple of years now is the 3rd quarter when teams come back at us. So far this year we've only won a single 3rd quarter.

 

[winty]

I don't think it is because teams like GWS and the Bulldogs have young mids and run out games very strongly. I would say it is 75% fitness and 25% the mentality to dig deep and find something more. The boys are getting tired too quickly and teams are running over the top of us - that is the reason we are getting smashed as the game goes on.

The bolded was clearly evident yesterday when they blew a 9 goal half time lead...

 

[4quarter_cat]

Tuche' Winty.