Fall and Fall of Big Bash

[ExchangeStatMan]

If it goes to private ownership first thing they will want is a second Perth team and a gather round or two/three/four in the UAE!

I saw the ad for the Manchester Super Giants. It seems cringey. Using the football following- Red of Manchester United assumably, and Light Blue of Man City - to support an Orange colour, an Elephant symbol, and using an IPL aligned franchise name would knock the soul out of a BBL franchise.



Whats the odds the actors in the ad even give a toss about what the team is all about?

 

[BarbieITFC]

Success breeds fans especially around finals time.

48,608 vs Stars
42,620 vs Hobart
37,643 vs Adelaide
26,823 vs Sixers
29,865 vs Renegades


The only blips there were the game against the Sixers in a rain effected game. The Renegades sadly are not a crowd puller given they are woeful and have been woeful bar that 1 winning season. In terms of big names on that team this season- its Rizwan. I reckon they should do what the Thunder did and chase an ex-Indian IPL player eg Ashwin, and look to get their membership tallies up. Maybe chase a Dinesh Karthik or Shikha Dhawan or someone that is high profile and can still play some semi-decent cricket. I heard the latter resides in Melbourne.

A tad surprised about the Adelaide crowd since Adelaide haven't been very good either.

Get the right opposition, importance of the game and you have a recipe for crowd pullers. I expect Perth Scorchers next 2 games: Qualifer/Challenger or Qualifier/Grand Final to pull a combined 110,000+ to both games. And Cricket Australia rightfully will be rubbing their hands with glee.


I might be overreacting a bit to the Eagles crowds. But after 15 years of competition, I dont think if we reflected back 15-20 years ago and said the Scorchers organisation would be so imbedded into the Western Australian psyche as it is today, even the locals wouldnt have believed it. Its now a culture, anything less than a title has been a failed season. For other teams, they may reflect on a season and say they have improved, or look to 'progress further next season' or we did well to make the Finals. Not at the Scorchers.

I think it's a case of success breeding success. No different to the Wildcats in the NBL, and to some extent the Eagles in the AFL (until the 2020s) - success creates a sense of entitlement that internally becomes a culture of winning/expectation and externally becomes arrogant. When the Wildcats failed to make the finals back in 2022 it felt like the end of the world.

The Scorchers have made 12 of the 15 final series, appeared in 8 grand finals and won it 5 times. The only other team close to that is the Sixers - and guess what, those two teams have finished 1st and 2nd on the ladder for the fourth time in six years.

And then it flows through to crowd numbers - with Scorchers and Wildcats pulling the biggest crowds for at least the last 7-8 seasons, and (as much as it pains me to say it) the Eagles crowd numbers being totally mad in the last 3-4 years given what's been dished up on the field. It also helps having exceptional modern sports infrastructure in the Optus Stadium and RAC Arena - with incredible public transport access. For all of the criticism the current and past WA governments get in the local media, they got both of those projects spot on.

 

[BarbieITFC]

As a guy currently based East, I wouldnt mind if it was scheduled at 5:30pm AWST, that would be 8:30PM on the Eastern seaboard. Anything to increase a bigger crowd would be in the best interests of the game. 5:45PM AWST would be a better time, and 8:45PM AEDT Might pee off alot of eastern states viewers, im sure if your a Sydney cricket/NSW follower you would still tune into it. Used to have a job in the city in Perth and my finishing times finished at around 5pm on a Monday to Friday basis. Being the greenie, I doubt I would have been excused early to go watch the cricket.

It also assists in getting into the prime of the South Asian Market (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan) in a better viewing time especially having the marquee international player playing.

The start time makes no sense. Coupled with the weather forecast (41c at 4pm) and I'm expecting a smaller crowd than we had on Saturday. I just checked on Ticketmaster and there are lots of seats left - especially on the eastern side that will be in direct sunlight for the whole game.

A shame, if it had been a 5:30 or 6pm (Western) start then I would have probably gone.

 

[Cleavy]

I saw the ad for the Manchester Super Giants. It seems cringey. Using the football following- Red of Manchester United assumably, and Light Blue of Man City - to support an Orange colour, an Elephant symbol, and using an IPL aligned franchise name would knock the soul out of a BBL franchise.



Whats the odds the actors in the ad even give a toss about what the team is all about?

are they real people?

 

[largebus]

4pm start is dumb but a later start just means it finishes beyond east coast bedtimes and thats all that matters.

Cricket.com team of the season:
Sam Harper (wk, Stars)
Fin Allen (Scorchers)
Dave Warner (Thunder)
Matt Renshaw (Heat)
Liam Scott (Strikers)
Marcus Stoinis (captain, Stars)
Nikhil Chaudhary (Hurricanes)
Tom Curran (Stars)
Jack Edwards (Sixers)
Peter Siddle (Stars)
Rashad Hossain (Hurricanes)
12th man: Mitch Marsh (Scorchers)

 

[E Shed]

4pm start is dumb but a later start just means it finishes beyond east coast bedtimes and thats all that matters.

Cricket.com team of the season:
Sam Harper (wk, Stars)
Fin Allen (Scorchers)
Dave Warner (Thunder)
Matt Renshaw (Heat)
Liam Scott (Strikers)
Marcus Stoinis (captain, Stars)
Nikhil Chaudhary (Hurricanes)
Tom Curran (Stars)
Jack Edwards (Sixers)
Peter Siddle (Stars)
Rashad Hossain (Hurricanes)
12th man: Mitch Marsh (Scorchers)

I'm not sure at whose expense but Aaron Hardie is one of my first picked.

 

[Saints4ever]

I'm not sure at whose expense but Aaron Hardie is one of my first picked.

Hardie started the comp poorly he sure finished strong though.

 

[Spirit Level]

4:30 PM start time on a weekday is so dumb, Perth crowds get fisted again to appease the Easts bedtime.

Also doubt the Hobart game goes ahead, who gets the win in that case?

 

[Cleavy]

surprised CA hasn't tried doing a legends T20 game as a curtain raiser or fundraiser; OR just a one-off game to fill in one of the non-finals days this week

 

[Saints4ever]

4:30 PM start time on a weekday is so dumb, Perth crowds get fisted again to appease the Easts bedtime.

Also doubt the Hobart game goes ahead, who gets the win in that case?

Hobart as they finished 3rd.

Crap way to go through

 

[Cleavy]

4:30 PM start time on a weekday is so dumb, Perth crowds get fisted again to appease the Easts bedtime.

Also doubt the Hobart game goes ahead, who gets the win in that case?

the higher ranked team, presumably?

 

[Spirit Level]

Hobart as they finished 3rd.

Crap way to go through

the higher ranked team, presumably?

I'm hoping that's the case cause if it's based on the H2H record between the teams the Stars go through (which would be unfair IMO)

 

[Cleavy]

I'm hoping that's the case cause if it's based on the H2H record between the teams the Stars go through (which would be unfair IMO)

the rules from 2024/25 say the higher ranked team goes through. I doubt they changed them. (weirdly enough when you view the file, the header filename says Playing Conditions 2021/22, so I guess nothing much has changed?)

 

[Cmarsh]

are they real people?

So Manchester Super Giants, MI London and and Sunrisrers Leeds.

I can see how easily the current BBL teams will lose their identity if carbon copy monikers like that are employed.

 

[jb04]

I saw the ad for the Manchester Super Giants. It seems cringey. Using the football following- Red of Manchester United assumably, and Light Blue of Man City - to support an Orange colour, an Elephant symbol, and using an IPL aligned franchise name would knock the soul out of a BBL franchise.



Whats the odds the actors in the ad even give a toss about what the team is all about?

I hate this so very, very much. The video was almost passable until the veeeeeery last minute where it was sickening.

Can't even imagine something as tone deaf as that for a (former) BBL team, it would be tragic.

 

[peternorth]

I saw the ad for the Manchester Super Giants. It seems cringey. Using the football following- Red of Manchester United assumably, and Light Blue of Man City - to support an Orange colour, an Elephant symbol, and using an IPL aligned franchise name would knock the soul out of a BBL franchise.



Whats the odds the actors in the ad even give a toss about what the team is all about?

I think the actors in the ad are actors. They probably dont even go for city or utd. Probably dont know who george best was, or stuart pearce. I think they're just doing it for money rather than for the love of the game.

The ad certainly plays into uniting the city thats divided by club/tradition to become a giant entity.


Good point about the soul of t20 though and can see where youre coming from. I do think t20 lacks soul in essence.

 

[Gough]

I think the actors in the ad are actors. They probably dont even go for city or utd. Probably dont know who george best was, or stuart pearce. I think they're just doing it for money rather than for the love of the game.

The ad certainly plays into uniting the city thats divided by club/tradition to become a giant entity.


Good point about the soul of t20 though and can see where youre coming from. I do think t20 lacks soul in essence.

It felt like they were leaning heavily on the football tradition of Manchester and the cricket was secondary.

 

[Cmarsh]

I think the actors in the ad are actors. They probably dont even go for city or utd. Probably dont know who george best was, or stuart pearce. I think they're just doing it for money rather than for the love of the game.

The ad certainly plays into uniting the city thats divided by club/tradition to become a giant entity.


Good point about the soul of t20 though and can see where youre coming from. I do think t20 lacks soul in essence.

So they are trying to convince Manchester locals that they may be divided by what soccer team they support but they can be united by a borrowed name from an IPL franchise. Yeah, right.

 

[peternorth]

It felt like they were leaning heavily on the football tradition of Manchester and the cricket was secondary.

if the ad was stating cricket is secondary then the sport is in trouble

 

[peternorth]

So they are trying to convince Manchester locals that they may be divided by what soccer team they support but they can be united by a borrowed name from an IPL franchise. Yeah, right.

That's what the ad was trying to do. Unite under one banner in the summer when football rivalry is put aside. A bit like Melb Utd in the NBL. There are likely to be more than one supporter of either football club that barracks for the Lucknow in the IPL so theyd come unite for Manchester. I guess the franchise is trying to do something to get Manchester off the ground.

But essentially, all t20 and 100 franchises around the world are contrived vessels for players to move into and from. Sadly that extends to the BBL

 

[happy_eagle]

You would lost at least half of your fan base if you rebranded it

No you wouldn't

Boomers would complain and the talkback radio would be full of hot takes for the first season, but after that people would move on and the stadiums would be just as full as they are now.

As long as there is a team in Perth called Perth, the locals will come.

 

[peternorth]

If it goes to private ownership first thing they will want is a second Perth team and a gather round or two/three/four in the UAE!

How about a pre finals bye?

 

[happy_eagle]

How about a pre finals bye?

I enjoyed last nights wildcard match

 

[cats_09]

 

[peternorth]

I enjoyed last nights wildcard match

dont mention wildcard to footy fans!