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No need to vote because 99.9% (hell even if 100%) of the votes wanted a new stadium it would never happen. Not in Adelaide anyway.

I cannot remember where but someone petitioned the idea for South Australia to have a referendum on the Victoria Park grandstand situation, if this proposal ever eventuated I would love to see an option on this ballet to see how the state felt about funding a new multi purpose sporting stadium.
 

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But will these new lights require a Royal Commission like in 1980 when the original lights were being delayed?? ;)

If the survey asked, do you want a new stadium and are you prepared to personally pay $5,000 for it and a yes vote was legally binding, what % do you think would vote yes???
 
The grandstands will only be allowed to be single story and will be placed 200 metres back from the play to allow for a grassed area for the "little ones" to frollick during the play.
 

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Troy Wingate said:
I voted for new stadium, but I personally don't think there is anything wrong with AAMI Stadium.
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Its the wosrt major AFL venue in the country to watch a game from, spectators are no where near the action (unlile the Telstra Dome), it is a cement jungle in the middle of the suburbs. The AFL had a good reason to get rid of Waverly for the same reasons. It will take SA 50 years to do the same. Just need to get rid of the geriatric boys club on the board of the SANFL.
 
Spadge said:
im surprised the SANFL hasnt proposed something new and innovative and something we have never seen in Adelaide before....

Retractable lights....

oh wait....... lol
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now there's a contradiction

IMO I cant see a new stadium here in my lifetime - the SANFL is quite happy to bury their heads in the sand and twiddle their thumbs like they always have done until an issue is forced upon them - unfortunately we're stuck with an ongoing ad hoc development of Footy Park
 
scratch, shuffle, buckle, stretch..aarghhh...dam it....ah finally got my fireproof jacket on! Ready set go.....

Dont really need it. Yup, I am bucking the trend. I reckon there are so many other things that this city needs before a new stadium for the odd game of football.

And as REH asked, how many would be willing to vote for it if it costs them money. Hell we struggle to get decent crowds to a 50K stadium at rock bottom prices. How many would go to a stadium that fair enough would be nice and comfortable but if it was a significantly higher ticket price? how many NEW people would go!

I reckon if it did go ahead it would be some conglomerate that would build/run it cause the SANFL couldn't afford to go on the their own.

I can guarrantee that when JJ and whoever the Port President is at the time go a grumblin' about ticket pricing the for their supporters the old "Talk to the Hand" would get its far share of play.

Would it be nice, absolutely, is it the best thing for either SA Football, the PAFC or even the other mob down the road, dont think so!

PS: I ain't actually that old, well not really. I dont have to have diapers when I go out in public at least!
 
mb2326 said:
Its the wosrt major AFL venue in the country to watch a game from, spectators are no where near the action (unlile the Telstra Dome), it is a cement jungle in the middle of the suburbs. The AFL had a good reason to get rid of Waverly for the same reasons. It will take SA 50 years to do the same. Just need to get rid of the geriatric boys club on the board of the SANFL.
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First, this post isn't directed at you mb2326. I've heard your opinion on this from many other people too.

Sorry, but just how close do people wanna be to the action? Any closer, you'll be on the ground. And what about the players safety? They run into the fences hard enough as it is, it's 10 times worse at TD.

As far as it being a cement jungle in the middle of the suburbs, well, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't all stadiums made from cement, steel, etc. What you want it made from? Glass? In the middle of the suburbs? Subiaco Oval is in the suburbs, so is the SCG. Can't say for the Gabba as I've never been there. West Lakes is a few minutes drive from Adelaide. Big deal.

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with AAMI Stadium. Of coarse the parking could be better, but if you don't like it, catch a bus, walk, ride a bike.
 
Troy Wingate said:
Sorry, but just how close do people wanna be to the action? Any closer, you'll be on the ground. And what about the players safety? They run into the fences hard enough as it is, it's 10 times worse at TD.
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TD is steeper, therefore even though you are in row X, you are closer than if you are row X at AAMI. The G is similar

oh and, a little bit of glass wouldn't hurt. ;)

Anyway...

Those arguing the SANFL would not afford it or that it will cost each of us big bucks are crazy. The SANFL are fearful of spending money and hate having any debt, however, they own a significant asset in the middle of West Lakes. It's not Davoren Park. Negotiating with governments, plus the AFL, should see a pretty good deal I would have thought.

Suggesting that it might happen when the 'old cronies' are no longer there is wishful thinking. They notoriously replace retiring old cronies with more of the same. They are a prime example of why nothing ever gets built in Adelaide, along with the likes of the 'Friends of the Parklands' and a council who spend most of their time scrambling for 'A-list' status rather than progressing the city.

In the end, if it happens in my life time, I'll keel over from the shock of it all and never see it anyway. In the meantime we will watch millions spent every few years to forever upgrade what's effectively a money pit with the atmosphere of a prison cell.
 
Troy Wingate said:
As far as it being a cement jungle in the middle of the suburbs, well, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't all stadiums made from cement, steel, etc. What you want it made from? Glass? In the middle of the suburbs? Subiaco Oval is in the suburbs, so is the SCG. Can't say for the Gabba
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The SCG is just outside the CBD, as is the GABBA. Oh and by the looks of it (Google maps) the same goes for Subi.....
 

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Telstra Dome is a privately run stadium. It cost $430mil to build. A lot of money was lost by the owners and operators in the first few years. It started making a profit in 2005, then in January 2006 Ch 7 bought everybody else out and in June 2006 it sold the stadium to a superfund for $330mil. The superfund have to run it and maintain it until 2025 and then hand it over to the AFL for $1. If the superfund invested $330mil at 6% compound interest they would turn that amount into $998mil by 2025. So they have to make decent cash profits of about $30mil per year and then invest those cash profits at 6% or more to be ahead at the end of 2025.

Who pays for this? Mainly footy supporters as they are the biggest users of the ground. That's why breakeven is around 30,000 at TD compared to 15,000 at Waverley Park. That's why the Western Bulldogs and North can't make any money out of the TD and St Kilda couldn't until they got their crowds up over 35,000.

Another important part of the financing of TD is the 5,000 members in the Medallion club. The first 5 years if people wated their own video seat they paid $5,000 joining fee plus $400 per month for 60 months. If you didn't want a video seat you paid $2,500 joining fee plus $350 per month for 60 months. I think this monthly membership fee has increased since 2005. For this you got 40+ games at TD plus 40+ games at MCG plus finals games tickets in weeks 1 and 2 and rights for PF and GF tickets. You can't give this sort of value in SA, so you can't charge these sort of fees in Adelaide, so you have a huge funding hole.

Then there are 3,000 Axcess One members that started at $499 per year which is now called Axcess One premium is about $2,800 per year with a $500 joining fee and you have Axcess One members which costs $990 per year.

Then you look at Telstra Stadium in Sydney. It is another BOOT project, build, own, operate and transfer to the NSW govt in 2031. It cost $615mil to build and was finished by early 1999, was reconfigured for another $50mil after the Olympics. The NSW govt granted monies, lent a zero interest loans and low interest loans a total of about $190mil. The public float in 1999 was a disaster with only about 1/3rd of the expected equity subscribed by the public. It made small profits in it's first 2 years, then a few large losses before starting to break even. It just didn't get enough big events to host and make good money. In February last year the ANZ basically purchased it for $10mil + convered it's $140mil loan to equity and stuck it into one of it's super funds. Ie a $650mil+ asset was only worth $150mil seven years later.

Debt sinks Stadium Australia

http://www.telstrastadium.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=1.170

That's why some of you expecting a TD or TS type facility are dreaming. Ron Barassi got it right when he said "If it's meant to be, it's up to me." So when you come up with the money you will get your stadium.

I know I only get back to SA for 2 or 3 games per year plus any finals, but I enjoy going to Footy Park. My only gripe is not being able to have a beer and watch the game but at least that is changing. I tend to agree with all of what Phhht said.

I know I might be becoming a bit sentimental, but everytime I go to Footy Park, I see the ghosts from my football watching youth. Might be different if I didn't leave SA 15 years ago and watched maybe 100 more AFL game there, but that's the feeling I have. Also what would happen to the great SA footy pre match barbie. Tried it with a few ex croweater mates in the Moore Park fields next to the SCG and it just ain't the same.
 
Don't get me wrong here I think Adelaide is a great little town and of course I love Port and I love going to Adelaide to watch Port play. But let me tell you tha ain't cos of AAMI Stadium but because I love Port and our home crowd. Fair enough Melbourne is bigger and has more money to spend, but it leaves Adelaide for dead in terms of its footy stadiums, location, public transport to grounds and general atmosphere at the game. Of course I would love watching Port more at home cos of the atmosphere our supporters make, but watching a game at the 'G' or the Dome is excellent and the buzz is amazing in just a neutral game.

Come on Adelaide, get your act together and get moving. If you think new lights is going to put the town on the map the government/SANFL is more behind then I thought. I would love to see Adelaide doing something for itself as I believe it is unique in its own right just like Melbourne is in its own right. A new stadium in the city would at least bring it a bit closer to Melbourne (although it will never get there).

You gotta admit, if you've ever been to Melbourne the buzz that you feel is electric as compared to Adelaide. Ad I should know seeing as though I was born in Adelaide and now live in Melbourne.
 
johnnypanther said:
now there's a contradiction

IMO I cant see a new stadium here in my lifetime - the SANFL is quite happy to bury their heads in the sand and twiddle their thumbs like they always have done until an issue is forced upon them - unfortunately we're stuck with an ongoing ad hoc development of Footy Park
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I agree the SANFL is the big problem here, the SANFL are known to push their agenda ahead of the public interest. Remember this is the same entity that said that SA didnt need AFL football. The SANFL would rather hold the cards and ingore what the public needs and keep pushing their own agenda until their hand is forced.

The SANFL commission is a tired boys club run by the same people that have been there for decades. Football Park is their legacy and the same people that decided to build it there wont turn around and get rid of it.

Football Park is a joke, its horribly outdated, poorly located with an exceptionally poor public transport system. Whatever money is spent on it is just a waste trying to bandaid what seemed to be a good idea 30 years ago which time has shown was a bad idea. Its Waverley all over again, similar design to the stadium and similar problems (distance/public transport etc), the VFL/AFL were smart to realise in the 80s that it was going to be a disaster hence why little to no money was spent on it because they realised that eventually it wasnt going to be the long term answer (there were 2 more phases planned for Waveley (it was eventually going to accommodate 150,000 fans, but that never happened because the VFL realised it would be a waste of money because Waverley wasnt working and the MCG remained the popular football venue).

The SANFL will never get rid of football park, it would take a Port Adelaide style situation where a private developer would come up with something and have the AFC and the PAFC threaten to jump ship to the new stadium for the SANFL to realise that it had to happen. That wont ever happen so basically we will remain stuck because the ultra conservative SANFL commission holds all the aces and while they know the truth they arent prepared to do anything about it.

They were going to spend $100 mill on AAMI, the land would be worth about $300 million to a developer sponsorship and naming rights could add another $100mill. There is approx 500 mill just form the SANFL if they can come up with money from the AFL And the Commonwealth and State Governments they would have they required capital to do it, but the SANFL would never admit to this. I think the government needs to do what the WA gov is doing about the stadium there, I think its time someone took those cards that the SANFL are holding away from them and did something about it.
 

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