Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Kynge of Begrem]

Paul Elam hates the guy in the article and has publicly denounced him. Though, it's not like feminists to let an opportunity go to waste, the truth be damned.

So Paul Elam is the sole arbiter of who is an MRA?

 

[tesseract]

There is nothing horrible about advocating for the rights of men.
Just wouldn't hurt some people to keep a little balance and perspective when doing so.

Care to elaborate on what you mean by "balance"?

Balance is 'equality under the law'. That's what the MRM calls for. That's not what feminists call for, though. Feminism seeks advantage, privilege, special considerations and entitlements for women because they're women. Men aren't included in the advantages feminists seek for women.

"Perspective"? Equality under the law is the only correct perspective. Deviation from this is not the equality feminism claims to stand for. So, when feminists deviate from this, I call them out on it.

 

[tesseract]

So Paul Elam is the sole arbiter of who is an MRA?

Did I ever claim that Paul Elam was the sole arbiter?

 

[tesseract]

Haha and its the feminists who have issues with hate. Give it a spell old thing.

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[tesseract]

did you read the comments?

A woman does something very stupid and is getting called out on it. The same happens with men. Sounds like equality to me. But, no, to manginas females are sacrosanct.

 

[romeoh]

Care to elaborate on what you mean by "balance"?

Balance is 'equality under the law'. That's what the MRM calls for. That's not what feminists call for, though. Feminism seeks advantage, privilege, special considerations and entitlements for women because they're women. Men aren't included in the advantages feminists seek for women.

"Perspective"? Equality under the law is the only correct perspective. Deviation from this is not the equality feminism claims to stand for. So, when feminists deviate from this, I call them out on it.

Have pretty recently listed issues where balance and perspective are lacking-not doing it again as you only hear what you want to hear.
But just as an example from this latest post of yours-your consistent line of quoting a few crackpot extremists, as representing the ideology of all feminists of the world is quite ludicrous. The feminist movement has sought equal access to education, careers, health, safety and so forth. If a few nutjobs want more that that, who gives a toss bag. Toughen up.

 

[romeoh]

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U cannot be cereal.

 

[Engimal]

Manginas don't care for men's rights; they're too busy worshiping women and willingly handing over their balls to care about their own rights and that of other men. While they're at it, they have no problem throwing their fellow man under the bus in order to please women and show her his devotion to the sisterhood.

Many a feminist simply hate men. Feminists see rights as a zero-sum game, in that if men seek their rights as men somehow that takes away from women's rights. Seeing rights as zero sum is feminist logic. They don't see that men seeking their rights as men doesn't detract from women's rights.

Then there's the contradiction of feminism: feminists tell men that the MRM is not necessary because feminism encompasses men's rights. Yet, after 50 years of feminism, feminism has down sweet **** all for men's rights. This is why feminism claiming to stand for equality is nothing more than doublespeak.

Have I missed something? What makes someone a 'mangina'? Regardless, I've seen many MRA spouting shit about their obvious hate for women. However that isn't the majority, just as the 'men hating' feminists aren't the majority. Both extremes exist of course, but they're hardly a true representative for either cause.

 

[tesseract]

Have pretty recently listed issues where balance and perspective are lacking-not doing it again as you only hear what you want to hear.
But just as an example from this latest post of yours-your consistent line of quoting a few crackpot extremists, as representing the ideology of all feminists of the world is quite ludicrous. The feminist movement has sought equal access to education, careers, health, safety and so forth. If a few nutjobs want more that that, who gives a toss bag. Toughen up.

If you have provided such recently, please refer to the post number.

You're using the NAFALT (Not All Feminists Are Like That) deflection. One thing that binds all feminists is their belief in the conspiracy theory that is The Patriarchy.

You say that the feminist movement sought these things, but offer no evidence that they've worked to help males in parity to females. Feminism supposedly does stand for equality after all.

It's the radical feminists which control the feminist movement. These feminists are judges, lawyers, academics/professors and politicians. The average feminist has no say as to what feminism actually is. It's those with the power, and hence influence, which dictates what feminism is.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

A woman does something very stupid and is getting called out on it. The same happens with men. Sounds like equality to me. But, no, to manginas females are sacrosanct.

Still don't think that means she is 'kinda asking for it' (it, I assume, meaning rape), though.

 

[tesseract]

Have I missed something? What makes someone a 'mangina'? Regardless, I've seen many MRA spouting shit about their obvious hate for women. However that isn't the majority, just as the 'men hating' feminists aren't the majority. Both extremes exist of course, but they're hardly a true representative for either cause.

A mangina: A woman-firster, a pussy beggar, a man who acts in an overly aggressive way to other men once feminist maxims are questioned, a male lackey of the feminist movement who views women as superior to men and always bows down and agrees with them to curry favour, males that cater to women so that women might like them more, a woman's doormat, servant and cuddly bear.

Some MRA's do hate women. Some men who've been hurt by women initially go through a phase of anger. Where, though, do you see those in places of leadership in the MRM spout their hatred for women and making it part of the narrative, like it is in feminism? Patriarchy theory implies that all men are irredeemable psychopaths. That's the difference. Feminism is built upon the hatred of men. Not so with the MRM. I've provided quotes from Feminism's global leadership on a few occasions to show this.

 

[tesseract]

Still don't think that means she is 'kinda asking for it' (it, I assume, meaning rape), though.

Who said she was asking for it? False rape accusations is a common talking point in the MRM.

 

[tesseract]

U cannot be cereal.

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[TheWoodenSlug]

Who said she was asking for it? False rape accusations is a common talking point in the MRM.

I quoted one of the comments from that picture.

I certainly wasn't trying to suggest that you said, or even implied that she was asking for rape - so I apologize if you took it that way.

But it is a pretty poor comment, and the fact that at least 8 people 'liked' it is quite concerning.

 

[romeoh]

If you have provided such recently, please refer to the post number.

You're using the NAFALT (Not All Feminists Are Like That) deflection. One thing that binds all feminists is their belief in the conspiracy theory that is The Patriarchy.

You say that the feminist movement sought these things, but offer no evidence that they've worked to help males in parity to females. Feminism supposedly does stand for equality after all.

It's the radical feminists which control the feminist movement. These feminists are judges, lawyers, academics/professors and politicians. The average feminist has no say as to what feminism actual is. It's those with the power, and hence influence, which dictates what feminism is.

Its simple stuff really-women were historically disadvantaged in a number of areas. So they sought equal treatment and access to these things. That means their special interest has been in advancing women's rights. It doesn't mean they are not interested in men's rights but it means they are focussed on getting women on an equal footing. Its not really their job to lobby for men's equality is it? Did the aids movement lobby for funding for breast cancer? Do the paramedics lobby for more money for GP's? Your obsession with this point strikes me as irrational and its been discussed before so am not wasting more time on these strange ideas of yours. How do you know about the average feminist? How do you know who the radical fems are, although if they are in the professions you list, then one can feel pleased that such capable people are helping out.

 

[Engimal]

A mangina: A woman-firster, a pussy beggar, a man who acts in an overly aggressive way to other men once feminist maxims are questioned, a male lackey of the feminist movement who views women as superior to men and always bows down and agrees with them to curry favour, males that cater to women so that women might like them more, a woman's doormat, servant and cuddly bear.

Some MRA's do hate women. Some men who've been hurt by women initially go through a phase of anger. Where, though, do you see those in places of leadership in the MRM spout their hatred for women and making it part of the narrative, like it is in feminism? Patriarchy theory implies that all men are irredeemable psychopaths. That's the difference. Feminism is built upon the hatred of men. Not so with the MRM. I've provided quotes from Feminism's global leadership on a few occasions to show this.

Feminism was built around the unequal rights that women had.

 

[cartwright]

Princess, you look up MRA and post a radical feminist Jezebel article instead? Hehe! That's a good one, dear. Laughter is good for the soul.

Yep, I do quote Paul Elam.

Please at least try to be intellectually honest and quote in full the context of my post. I know it's difficult for you, being a feminist and all...

Of course Jezebel is a load of shit, yet you still post it as a source as if it has some value. Now you're going to have to bandage your bleeding foot.

I'd call out the hate site if it were a hate site, just as I'm doing with Jezebel. But unlike you I don't resort to sourcing from such. I'll leave you to source hate sites of the likes of the violent nutters of Jezebel, even though you admit they're full of shit.

Can't say it can you. "Women hating sites" http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...wse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

Now, lets talk about Manbook (lol) and the comments. I wonder if he has a "boys only!" sign on his bedroom door, of his parents house....

"We would ask you women to respect our rights as you wish your rights to be respected. If you are unwilling to respect our right to freedom of association do not expect men to respect your right to life. Ok?"

 

[tesseract]

I quoted one of the comments from that picture.

I certainly wasn't trying to suggest that you said, or even implied that she was asking for rape - so I apologize if you took it that way.

But it is a pretty poor comment, and the fact that at least 8 people 'liked' it is quite concerning.

Folks don't literally asked to be r*ped, but the context of the post seems to be that if you're going to leave yourself at the mercy of people, especially in a place where drinking is involved, your own foolish actions can play a part in what occurs to you. That's the taboo truth that the politically correct never wish to mention.

 

[Chief]

Well, that and that the term is not supposed to be just a definition, but to offend, anger and shame those it is applied to.

But only feminists do that!

 

[tesseract]

Feminism was built around the unequal rights that women had.

I've already displayed in this thread that such a view as yours is a myth. Feminism would have had to have been a grassroots movement for this to be the case, but it isn't. Feminism had some very powerful and wealthy backers in order to implement social engineering.

 

[romeoh]

Folks don't literally asked to be r*ped, but the context of the post seems to be that if you're going to leave yourself at the mercy of people, especially in a place where drinking is involved, your own foolish actions can play a part in what occurs to you. That's the taboo truth that the politically correct never wish to mention.

Actually its got nothing to do with political correctness, its about a committing a crime.

 

[tesseract]

Can't say it can you. "Women hating sites" http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...wse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

Now, lets talk about Manbook (lol) and the comments. I wonder if he has a "boys only!" sign on his bedroom door, of his parents house....

"We would ask you women to respect our rights as you wish your rights to be respected. If you are unwilling to respect our right to freedom of association do not expect men to respect your right to life. Ok?"

The SPLC is funded by feminist organizations. For funding to continue, the SPLC has to tow the feminist line. Anyhow, who cares if one is called a "misogynist"? Being called a misogynist is so overused nowadays by feminists that anyone merely disagreeing with a feminist is referred to as such. The label has thus lost its power. The common use of the word has now become differentiated from the dictionary definition.

 

[tesseract]

Actually its got nothing to do with political correctness, its about a committing a crime.

Whoosh.

 

[romeoh]

I've already displayed in this thread that such a view as yours is a myth. Feminism would have had to have been a grassroots movement for this to be the case, but it isn't. Feminism had some very powerful and wealthy backers in order to implement social engineering.

Just about all political movements, revolutions have been driven by the educated middle classes. Nothing new there.

 

[romeoh]

Whoosh.

Do you not realize that rape is against the law?