Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[cartwright]

I've tried to get him to answer the question a while back. The question was whether he thinks women contribute, through behaviour or desire, to rape.

I'm glad he finally got the courage to answer it.

it only took 6 months.... to confirm what he obviously thought.

 

[cartwright]

Wow what a typical left***d reply.

hey Mottrain

 

[boytroy]

hey Mottrain

Who???

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Wow what a typical left***d reply.

Welcome to BigFooty.

 

[scon]

When I bought my house in rural Victoria, I expressed some concern about the quality of its security to the real estate agent. He said, quite rightly as it has turned out, "There are no problems with security in this town." Depends where you live, I suppose.

Dat location be da dealmaker!!
Rural WA;I can go away for days and not worry about it.
Can't blame Raz0r6ack for not thinking it through.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Who???

 

[scon]

The traditionalist family set-up in times past was that women traded their sex and access to reproduction for a male's surplus labour. If women bitched about that it's because they wanted males surplus labour without providing their share in return. Very much like women wanting the vote but not wanting to risk their lives in war to earn it, like men had to.

So many passages competing as your manifesto's overarching mission statement
I nominate this one
Did the blokes who didn't go to war get the vote 'cos of their genital configuration??
Is it still the same or have we moved on from "times past"??

 

[scon]

Wow what a typical left***d reply.

Yeah agree...right on the money wasn't it!

 

[romeoh]

If it's so well documented then it shouldn't be a problem. Btw, Pankhurst has been discussed and debunked already. Steinem had connections to the CIA, thus showing that feminism wasn't a grassroots movement and indeed is as I've previously stated: a top-down movement funded by the rich elite with wives of plutocrats being the face of the movement. Btw, I've already provided an extensive list of feminism's global leadership and provided quotes from them. Betty Friedan being among those I've quoted.

Uhuh -so to be clear are you saying the Pankhursts weren't at the forefront of the suffragette movement? Or they weren't middle class? Which is it?
And who exactly, has 'debunked' them please?

 

[mellowyellow]

I'd 'do'(object to be enacted on) Anita Sarkeesian

 

[smokingjacket]

Enforcing morality? WTF? I don't know what world you're living in mate but being a creep that assaults women is the last thing any bloke wants be categorized as. It is something which will just as easily get you ostracized, if not bashed, if you do it in a pub, a club or in any form of mixed social setting. A "cultural norm" would be to suggest that sexually assaulting women is accepted by the majority. I don't know one bloke who thinks it's okay to assault an innocent woman. It is definitely not a cultural norm.

Feel free to enlighten me more on this "rape culture" though, I'm interested to know who are these people who blame the victim are and why you are associating yourself with them.

Sorry I probably should have been clearer. I said "in some countries" which was a reference to say, South Asia, parts of the Middle East etc. where honour gang rapes, caste rape, essentially legal rape is a thing.

Although 'How The Patriarchy Uses Rape To Enforce Morality' definitely sounds like a social justice thesis so I'll see if I can track it down

 

[Always Ballin]

Herself.com is a great advancement for women and Caitlin should be celebrated for being so brave and inspiring.

They say one, singular act of courage can light the fuse for something huge. It's a great time for women, but the best is yet to come.

Soon, genders won't exist. We are all inherently one of the same. This is a movement towards a Utopian society.

 

[Always Ballin]

Also;

Alleged rapists/sexual offenders should be castrated and forced to undergo hormonal therapy (Increasing estrogen/lowering testosterone)

 

[smokingjacket]

Please quote where I've "created my own version of the Matriarchy". Feminists lobbying for advantages for women that directly disadvantage men is not a conspiracy. To say that it is is ignorant.

The quote I used originally explained it:

It's the radical feminists which control the feminist movement. These feminists are judges, lawyers, academics/professors and politicians. The average feminist has no say as to what feminism actually is. It's those with the power, and hence influence, which dictates what feminism is.

Just to compare and explain what I was saying, here's some changed words to feminazi it up.

It's the patriarchy which control society. These men are judges, lawyers, academics/professors and politicians. The average man has no say as to what society actually is. It's those with the power, and hence influence, which dictates what society is.

You say these sites "are riven with ridiculous contradictions that undermine anything you're saying", yet you don't name these sites nor provide quotes from them. How typical so as to be as vague as possible while taking a pot-shot and not having anything to back it up.

To be fair we've had a few back and forth exchanges where I've gone through and responded in detail to some of your links. I'm on holiday at the moment so I don't really feel like doing it at the moment. I'll save it for another time. scons link for more.

What "new paradigm" are you specifically speaking of?

Female sexual empowerment and consent. How to navigate the new sexual economy yada yada...

Most young men that I speak to seem to understand it almost intrinsically. It's a different world and they don't have as much 'power', expectations are different and so on, but they have more fun because they aren't having to barter for sex all the time. Desire flows both ways. Not across all demographics of course.

How is my speaking out about feminism ******* it up for the rest? Or are you still conflating feminism with women?

I was being a bit over the top. Clearly I don't think your personal objections to feminism on bigfooty are capable of reversing these trends but I was merely making the point that some men are enjoying female sexual emancipation.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Do you have a point to make, or just a link from an ordinary comedian?

Not looking to side with the angry virgins but it is a ****ing great gig once your youngest hits one year old.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Nope. I'm surrounded by good men. Everyday I interact with good men. Its actually only here I encounter the idiots.

Which statement exactly did you have a problem with?

Seems, you too, are confused. Mangina is not a real word.



Such a typical response.

Are you actually going to address any of my answers?

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Herself.com is a great advancement for women and Caitlin should be celebrated for being so brave and inspiring.

They say one, singular act of courage can light the fuse for something huge. It's a great time for women, but the best is yet to come.

Soon, genders won't exist. We are all inherently one of the same. This is a movement towards a Utopian society.

Oh great, another nutjob. Who's alias are you?

 

[Engimal]

Also;

Alleged rapists/sexual offenders should be castrated and forced to undergo hormonal therapy (Increasing estrogen/lowering testosterone)

This has to be a troll account, surely?

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Oh great, another nutjob. Who's alias are you?

Kynge of Begrem

 

[scon]

This has to be a troll account, surely?

Nah!
Well sorta!
It's Benny Cousins!

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Kynge of Begrem

No surprise there.

 

[tesseract]

In other words, you haven't disproved anything but just have a different opinion. Also, Murdoch and Parsons were hugely influential sociologists in their time, Parsons in particular.

I've already answered questions that disprove your views earlier in this thread and in other feminism-related threads. Try to keep up.

 

[tesseract]

Uhuh -so to be clear are you saying the Pankhursts weren't at the forefront of the suffragette movement? Or they weren't middle class? Which is it?
And who exactly, has 'debunked' them please?

Pankhurst was at the forefront of the white feather campaign. How can she be about the suffragette movement when she seeks inequality that favours women in the form of having the vote for women and not having to fight in the war, unlike men, to earn the right to vote? She contradicts 'suffrage'! So, it's not a matter of class, it was a matter of gender, as well as her shameless and vile acts. Feminist revisionist history paints her as a saint for her deeds, but that's because feminism isn't about equality.

Pankhurst and her mob were handing out white feathers to boys as young as 14 in an attempt to shame them into service, and thus throwing away their lives in the war. This woman has much blood on her hands! This same mob were handing out white ribbons to men who had returned from the war who were recovering from wounds. The so-called women's suffragettes had no shame it seems... or conscience. Yet feminists hold these women up as heroines of the feminist movement. How unsurprising.

Try re-reading the thread and looking into links. It's no one else's obligation to keep you up to date and informed.

 

[scon]

It's no one else's obligation to keep me up to date and informed.

EFA.

However I am deeply appreciative of your continued assistance

 

[tesseract]

The quote I used originally explained it: "It's the radical feminists which control the feminist movement. These feminists are judges, lawyers, academics/professors and politicians. The average feminist has no say as to what feminism actually is. It's those with the power, and hence influence, which dictates what feminism is."

Your quote didn't explain anything of the sort, for I've never have stated or implied that feminism is the Matriarchy. Powerful feminists run the feminist movement, but that's not to say or imply that it's a Matriarchy. Your attempt at conflation here is mistaken.

To be fair we've had a few back and forth exchanges where I've gone through and responded in detail to some of your links. I'm on holiday at the moment so I don't really feel like doing it at the moment. I'll save it for another time. scons link for more.

Enjoy your holiday; we can discuss matters another time.

Female sexual empowerment and consent. How to navigate the new sexual economy yada yada...

Most young men that I speak to seem to understand it almost intrinsically. It's a different world and they don't have as much 'power', expectations are different and so on, but they have more fun because they aren't having to barter for sex all the time. Desire flows both ways. Not across all demographics of course.

I understand female sexual empowerment being part of the new paradigm. "Consent", though, isn't part of this the issue, though. 'Consent' being an issue amongst this new paradigm implies the feminist scaremongering and moral panic that is 'rape culture'. Rape isn't condoned, so I don't buy into this mythical rape culture BS at all.

I was being a bit over the top. Clearly I don't think your personal objections to feminism on bigfooty are capable of reversing these trends but I was merely making the point that some men are enjoying female sexual emancipation.

I agree that many men are enjoying female sexual liberation. Men don't need too buy the cow, so to speak, because they get the sex for free. Even guys who reject marrying and/or shacking up with women in the MGTOW community are still having sex and taking advantage of women's sexual liberation.[/QUOTE]