Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Buckleys Jocks]

You think it's ridiculous that incident has shed what is alleged to be multiple instances of said individual behaving in a similar matter?

You think it's ridiculous that multiple other female journalists and presenters have come out and explained similar circumstances on which they were harassed, embarrassed, or belittled in the workplace?

I think it's ridiculous that he will likely not be allowed back in the competition next year because people want to save face in reaction to this particular incident. I wasn't commenting on any other allegations.

 

[Juddy88]

Yeah, my wife works in a male dominated field and gets hit on by her clients all the time. She just tells them she is married and not interested, accepts the ego boost and moves on. She doesn't work on live TV though, so that might make some difference.

But that doesn't make it acceptable. In fact itfurther reinforces the notion. It's harassment; especially if it's continual, as indicated by "all the time ".

 

[Taylor]

"Not be allowed back in" might be a victimising way of saying "nobody will be offering him a contract next year"

 

[DemonTim]

I'm not sure why you included this. Do you not agree with equality or fair treatment? Is that what you're saying?




And generalising a section of society as ******s and saying they talk purely "dribble" is what exactly? That's what I thought.

How did you even get either of those things out of that?

To start, I did not question equality or fair treatment, I am questioning you campaigning it by abusing others. You can't promote equality through abuse.

Its just as unnecessary?

 

[Juddy88]

I think it's ridiculous that he will likely not be allowed back in the competition next year because people want to save face in reaction to this particular incident. I wasn't commenting on any other allegations.

Fair enough. I agree, if the other allegations are found to be untrue. If they are true then the correct decision will be made.

 

[DemonTim]

But that doesn't make it acceptable. In fact itfurther reinforces the notion. It's harassment; especially if it's continual, as indicated by "all the time ".

if as he says, it doesn't bother her, it's not harassment.

This is an incredibly sexist attitude to have. "I don't care how a woman reacts, or feels about behaviour, I will tell her how she has to feel"

 

[FlowersByIrene]

But that doesn't make it acceptable. In fact itfurther reinforces the notion. It's harassment; especially if it's continual, as indicated by "all the time ".

Thats the crux of the issue though the - definition of harassment.
It's not harrasment in my book, UNLESS it's continual beyond a clear negative assertion

 

[DemonTim]

Thats the crux of the issue though the - definition of harassment.
It's not harrasment in my book, UNLESS it's continual beyond a clear negative assertion

I don't understand. If the recipient doesn't find it harassment, or joins in/returns the behaviour, how is it harassment?

It's now come to a point where we are deciding on behalf of others what has to offend them

 

[ShanDog]

Another comment from the grandstands - if you happen to come across an attractive woman/man/whatever at 4pm and work up the courage to perhaps compliment them and ask them out for a drink, how are you to know you are the fourth person to do it today?

 

[Juddy88]

How did you even get either of those things out of that?

To start, I did not question equality or fair treatment, I am questioning you campaigning it by abusing others. You can't promote equality through abuse.

Its just as unnecessary?

You clearly don't know what the word abuse means.

if as he says, it doesn't bother her, it's not harassment.

This is an incredibly sexist attitude to have. "I don't care how a woman reacts, or feels about behaviour, I will tell her how she has to feel"

You clearly don't know what the word harassment means.

I'm not wasting my time.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Lol ^ yep, we clearly don't know what harrasment means

Good one buddy haha

 

[Juddy88]

Thats the crux of the issue though the - definition of harassment.
It's not harrasment in my book, UNLESS it's continual beyond a clear negative assertion

Harassment is unwelcome and unreciprocated behaviour that is expected to be repeated.

 

[DemonTim]

You clearly don't know what the word abuse means.


You clearly don't know what the word harassment means.

I'm not wasting my time.

I'd say you don't understand either.

A definition of abuse is to treat someone in an offensive manner, you've definitely done that

Harassment is the act or an instance of harassing, ordisturbing, pestering, or troublingrepeatedly; persecution. If the recipient does not find it as such, then it isn't. That's that. You don't decide what constitutes harassment on behalf of another person

I'll pass on your message now. My girlfriend must be offended by what you tell her. It doesn't matter how she feels, a random male from the Internet has decided it's harassment

 

[DemonTim]

Harassment is unwelcome and unreciprocated behaviour that is expected to be repeated.

So if it's welcome it's not abuse. Thank you. You just agreed with us.

 

[Juddy88]

Lol ^ yep, we clearly don't know what harrasment means

Evidently. Unwelcomed sexual advances is harassment. What if the person doesn't have the confidence to portray that it makes then feel uncomfortable? It's still harassment

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Harassment is unwelcome and unreciprocated behaviour that is expected to be repeated.

Hahahahahahahaha is this real life - yep, i.e exactly what i said it was.

 

[Juddy88]

I'd say you don't understand either.

A definition of abuse is to treat someone in an offensive manner, you've definitely done that

Harassment is the act or an instance of harassing, ordisturbing, pestering, or troublingrepeatedly; persecution. If the recipient does not find it as such, then it isn't. That's that. You don't decide what constitutes harassment on behalf of another person

I'll pass on your message now. My girlfriend must be offended by what you tell her. It doesn't matter how she feels, a random male from the Internet has decided it's harassment

I'm offended by this post. Therefore, you've abused me.

 

[DemonTim]

Evidently. Unwelcomed sexual advances is harassment. What if the person doesn't have the confidence to portray that it makes then feel uncomfortable? It's still harassment

Obviously that's harassment. As the recipient finds it as such. But to suggest that all women find such behaviour as harassment is ludicrous.

 

[ShanDog]

Harassment is unwelcome and unreciprocated behaviour that is expected to be repeated.

I drove to about 10 different car yards today. I just wanted to wander and browse, but without fail, I was harassed at every single one by some jerk in a $30 Ed Harry shirt and smelling of cigarettes.

Haven't reported it yet, but am considering my options.

 

[DemonTim]

I'm offended by this post. Therefore, you've abused me.

I'll take that as no actual rebuttal. Please only respond if you have something of actual discussion to add.

 

[ShanDog]

Unwelcomed sexual advances is harassment.

The inherent problem with this definition is that it requires a mutual, unspoken understanding of whether a sexual advance would be welcome or not.

 

[Juddy88]

Hahahahahahahaha is this real life - yep, i.e exactly what i said it was.

Since when is telling someone that their married and not interested reciprocated and welcomed?

I don't know about you, but when someone does something to me I don't want I indicate it's not wanted, buy telling them it's not wanted. If they continue then it's harassment. Whether it boosts my ego or not has no effect.

It's not hard.

We can argue semantics all day, I'll be back later, don't miss me too much

 

[DemonTim]

Since when is telling someone that their married and not interested reciprocated and welcomed?

I don't know about you, but when someone does something to me I don't want I indicate it's not wanted, buy telling them it's not wanted. If they continue then it's harassment. Whether it boosts my ego or not has no effect.

It's not hard.

We can argue semantics all day, I'll be back later, don't miss me too much

I'd say it's up to the user to say how his wife feels. Maybe it's welcomed because of the ego boost. Maybe she finds it amusing. Maybe she goes home and tells her husband and they laugh about it. Again, you do not decide on behalf of others what is harassment.

If a woman disagrees on what is harassment, it doesn't mean that she is ashamed to admit it or lying or wrong, all women feel differently, they are human, you do not decide the rules on how they feel about a situation.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

...If they continue then it's harassment...

So if, when it becomes clear that it is unwanted, it stops - is it then not harassment?

 

[Juddy88]

So if, when it becomes clear that it is unwanted, it stops - is it then not harassment?

The inherent problem with this definition is that it requires a mutual, unspoken understanding of whether a sexual advance would be welcome or not.

It depends and it's not really one way or the other. When someone, or a group of people, are constantly attempting to make sexual advances on someone in the workplace, despite them making it clear that they're married and not interested, it's clearly harassment.