FEV to CHF????

[blues2007]

Clearly our Forward line is disfunctional and pretty embarassing. WHy not move Fev to CHF and play either Fisher/Hampson/Kreuzer out of the Square?

Let Fev play CHF and lead up the ground which should stop teams from playing 3 players on him so far from the sticks, even if he has to lead up to the wing, on a hard lead one on one he is hard to beat. Then gives our forward line a less predictable avenue to goal which most teams have worked out that we look for fev to much. This way he is out up the ground our forward line should now be one on one.

Would like to see this forward line this week, we may as well try somthing new becuse the current structure is a disaster:

C: Simpson Murphy Haddely

HF: Houlihan Fev Gibbs/Stevens?

FF: Betts Hampson Fisher



Fev leading long and hard up the ground, if he doesn't mark it fev will 90% of the time bring it to ground which brings in our runners through the centre of simpson, murphy haddley to get to his feet, with the likes of Houlihan and gibbs to be creative on the flanks and hampson in the goal square with fisher providing hard leads inside 40metres and betts crumbing? Sounds easy but ey takes the focus off fev and been one dimesntional and you would think help us score more goals through different players.

thoughts?

 

[Alpha1]

Fev should go bury his attitude in the reserves, and should take some of his other so called senior leaders with him.

 

[cjfc]

Makes Sence. Have To Try Something Different. I Think Fev Is Capable, If The Others Stand Up It Could Work. Still Need More Goals From The Midfielders Aswell.

 

[Bluebear]

Worked well for a period of time last year where we won two games and went close in a few others with Fev only kicking one or two, but Waite and Fisher chipped in for multiples.

Fev lead from 30m out and took those 3 defenders with him, ball bomed in over the back. Could work with Fisher and Hampson being the targets over the back.

Fev's ego would explode though. Not enough of a team player to do this on a regular basis and be happy about it.

Fev's game, given the week before was very VERY disappointing. Backchatting again, focus on himself rather than the contest.

Sad that I don't think he can affect permanent change in his attitude.

 

[Crippa#9]

I don't think just because the forward line looks erratic moving Fev is going to change things..

The real answer to our problem forward line is that Fev is really the only go-to guy hence he gets doubled team and manhandled every time he gets a sniff of the ball. Its about time the likes of Fisher, Betts, and now even Edwards take the pressure off Fevola. If I was an opposition coach I would love playing Carlton because the only forward you have to worry about is Brendan.

Fev has every right to occassionally look annoyed, for the best part of 5 years he has been going solo in the forward line, look at Geelong and how many options they have forward (Mooney, Hawkins, Johnson, Chapman, Ottens) We have 1, well Fisher also but he's a hardly a matchwinner. Fingers crossed Kreuzer can turn into a damaging forward.

On another note, could you turn Gibbs into a Brad Johnson type, a leadout damaging style of forward?

 

[Alpha1]

Worked well for a period of time last year where we won two games and went close in a few others with Fev only kicking one or two, but Waite and Fisher chipped in for multiples.

Fev lead from 30m out and took those 3 defenders with him, ball bomed in over the back. Could work with Fisher and Hampson being the targets over the back.

Fev's ego would explode though. Not enough of a team player to do this on a regular basis and be happy about it.

Fev's game, given the week before was very VERY disappointing. Backchatting again, focus on himself rather than the contest.

Sad that I don't think he can affect permanent change in his attitude.

Yeah I agree we have to let him go, frankly he has been given plenty of chances. If this was actually a job in real life he would have been fired a long long time ago. I don't see him im our next GF side and I think it's about time the CFC make some hard, tough decisions come seasons end. Which I might add cant come quick enough after the crap we have already been dished up.

 

[thegreenmachine]

If it wasn't that our defence desperately needs big key defenders like O'Hailpin at fullback, to take the pressure off an undersize Thornton, and therefore also allow Thornton to get the ball more as he's done quite well so far, big Setanta would be a good option in the goalsquare. He's a decent shot in front of the sticks and loves a goal. He'd be a good prospect and may eventually be a key forward, but at the moment we need him down back.
Waite could be as well, but he's more of a CHF/CHB, his job on Riewoldt on Saturday night was a rare highlight in that match.
Fev at CHF? Why not, he's 20x better shooting from 50-60 metres than from 30-40. Playing him there would mean getting more of the ball up the ground. And he'd want to be a team player as well, as good as he is he is no Buddy Franklin, and in a team that's not playing well at the moment you cannot have players letting their emotions get the better of them, or in any team for that matter. If he doesn't stop (and can you stop it?) well as Bluebear's suggested, we might be better off without him, funny guy off the field or not.
And again, more goals from the midfielders. Murphy has been contributing so far like he did in the pre-season but apart from him, no consistent goalscorers from the midfield, though Judd should find his radar soon enough.

 

[HBF]

This crossed my mind on Saturday night as well. However, I think the more prudent move would be for Cloke to become our CHF, with Hampson in the ruck, and then Kreuzer giving him a chop out late in each quarter. We could also bring Jamison back in, and also use Carlos in the ruck as well. Plenty of options available to us.

 

[Bluebear]

This crossed my mind on Saturday night as well. However, I think the more prudent move would be for Cloke to become our CHF, with Hampson in the ruck, and then Kreuzer giving him a chop out late in each quarter. We could also bring Jamison back in, and also use Carlos in the ruck as well. Plenty of options available to us.

Not sure Cloke is the answer HBF.

Not the most reliable set shot, and is doing very well in the ruck. I'd tend to leave him there. I don't know that Hamspon and Kreuzer could go the whole game following Hille and Laycock either, sad as that sounds.

I think that if Jammo is fit one of Setanta or Waite will be free to move forward this week. Setanta I;d leave to take on Hille and Laycock when they rest up forward, and I can't see an obvious match up for Waite.

Fev, Fisher and Waite up front works fairly well, as you can't leave any of them.

As for my comments above re-Fev.......not sure I was wanting to let him go.
I'm not convinced that we can afford to start rebuilding to forward line from Scratch. Fisher and Harts are too injury prone to rely on, and Waite has duties down back which he seems to be relishing.

P.S.
HBF - I can understand now your reservations on Russell's goal kicking ability. I stand corrected.

 

[drusswaylander]

In an ideal world Fev would be our CHF. It would help our forwardline enormously and the development of our young KP forwards. He seems to have a number of the attributes. Fev is quick and has the huge leg to just kick it over the flood, he is also a pretty good field kick.

Unfortunately he doesn't have the tank or the inclination to get one

Although his field kicking is good, his decision making is not, both on and off the field

How we get the best out of Fev and at the same time have a forwardline that can kick a winning score is a question we have been wrestling with for years. Anyone with the answer should be hailed a tactical genius, or master headshrink... take your pick

 

[MBIB]

How we get the best out of Fev and at the same time have a forwardline that can kick a winning score is a question we have been wrestling with for years. Anyone with the answer should be hailed a tactical genius, or master headshrink... take your pick

I've already said we should trade him, now where's my medal?

 

[parrot]

I don't think the forward line or Fev is the problem. The problem is our delivery. In the first quarter when our delivery was good, our forwards performed. The poor quality and slow delivery into the forwardline is the problem at the moment. A forward line contining Fev, Edwards, Kruezer, and Fisher is actually very good.

 

[drusswaylander]

I don't think the forward line or Fev is the problem. The problem is our delivery. In the first quarter when our delivery was good, our forwards performed. The poor quality and slow delivery into the forwardline is the problem at the moment. A forward line contining Fev, Edwards, Kruezer, and Fisher is actually very good.

Chicken and the egg. The disposal into the forward fifty is poor at times(understatement), but there is also a lack of movement especially when Fev has run out of puff that doesn't help.

Our other forwards at times are third wheels living off the space Fev allows them to have. We have had that problem for years. The main thing that has changed in our forward line over that time are the promising youngsters running to the wrong spots (allegedly...what are their instructions?)

 

[drusswaylander]

I've already said we should trade him, now where's my medal?

Trading him doesn't seem to be an option...now problem solve

 

[MBIB]

Trading him doesn't seem to be an option...now problem solve

Spike his drink and ring Swanny

 

[Magnificence]

I've already said we should trade him, now where's my medal?

Great idea trade him for a late first round draft pick and we will get another Russell, Sporn or Wiggins.

Given our strike rate on draft day we may as well give him away for nothing.

 

[drusswaylander]

Spike his drink and ring Swanny

Don't tell me we have become Chelski

 

[mac25]

Clearly our Forward line is disfunctional and pretty embarassing. WHy not move Fev to CHF and play either Fisher/Hampson/Kreuzer out of the Square?

Let Fev play CHF and lead up the ground which should stop teams from playing 3 players on him so far from the sticks, even if he has to lead up to the wing, on a hard lead one on one he is hard to beat. Then gives our forward line a less predictable avenue to goal which most teams have worked out that we look for fev to much. This way he is out up the ground our forward line should now be one on one.

Would like to see this forward line this week, we may as well try somthing new becuse the current structure is a disaster:

C: Simpson Murphy Haddely

HF: Houlihan Fev Gibbs/Stevens?

FF: Betts Hampson Fisher



Fev leading long and hard up the ground, if he doesn't mark it fev will 90% of the time bring it to ground which brings in our runners through the centre of simpson, murphy haddley to get to his feet, with the likes of Houlihan and gibbs to be creative on the flanks and hampson in the goal square with fisher providing hard leads inside 40metres and betts crumbing? Sounds easy but ey takes the focus off fev and been one dimesntional and you would think help us score more goals through different players.

thoughts?

Fevola is purely a leading full forward who requires space to lead into, this will not work, he is the player we need to start kicking goals and he is not going to kick them in that role.

Our best option is to use Cloke and Kruezer at CHF with the job of creating a contest and at least have a tall target to kick to.

 

[DaveyBlues]

I'd give it a try if it were up to me. It would drag attention out from inside 50 and give much more opportunity for the other forwards. Also, Fev can kick a goal from just about any distance so why not.

 

[goblues08]

I agree FEV's ego is out of control and so far this year his footy hasn't matched it. I love watching FEV but think his best footy is behind him. He probably be another RICHO still a very good player but won't reach his real potential which is a bloody waste. It is a shame he played in this Carlton era which has been crap. Imagine how good he would have been in the mid 90's side.

 

[goblues08]

Great idea trade him for a late first round draft pick and we will get another Russell, Sporn or Wiggins.

Given our strike rate on draft day we may as well give him away for nothing.

What's wrong with Russell he will be a good footballer. He has plenty of skill but was never given a chance under Pagan. Am I missing something on Russell he seems to be a whipping boy.

 

[BlueBelle]

We need to fill the hole at CHF because that is where we breakdown.

Fev can definately play that role.

 

[MBIB]

In all seriousness, how many goals do you all think he needs to kick each week to secure his longevity?

 

[Magnificence]

What's wrong with Russell he will be a good footballer. He has plenty of skill but was never given a chance under Pagan. Am I missing something on Russell he seems to be a whipping boy.

Have u been watching the last 3 years... has Russell played a good game? Did u see Gram (his opponet on the wkend)?

 

[Artie Bucco]

Fevola is purely a leading full forward who requires space to lead into, this will not work, he is the player we need to start kicking goals and he is not going to kick them in that role.

Our best option is to use Cloke and Kruezer at CHF with the job of creating a contest and at least have a tall target to kick to.

Exactly Fev at CHF will not work.

CHF has little space and working through much traffic. Fev is a star FF and from what I've seen a rather average CHF.

He doesn't have the tank to play CHF. He has had a poor couple of weeks, but lets not forget that some of the delivery has been rather poor. If we can get someone like Hartlett, Cloke, Kruezer / Hampson to make a real presence across CHF it would make much more sense than swapping Fev's natural position.

Fev plays his best Football when our forward line is open, think back to when Fev kicks his bags of goals. It's usually himself, Betts and Fisher the other forwards have all spread out and pushed forward. 1 on 1 on the lead Fev will take the mark 7/10 times.