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Originally posted by skilts
I'm fully aware YOU don't want to kill people, towel-headed or not. The point I'm making is that people who are advocates of this war seem happy to have someone else do their dirty work for them, while they cheer from the safety of the bleachers, several thousand miles away.

If you are so committed to the righteousness of this war, you should have no alternative but to enlist. Otherwise, you're just flapping your gums.
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And equally the opponents of this war, who are opposed due to their concerns for the Iraqi people, will undoubtedly take to the streets repeatedly in the future and protest until the UN brings about peaceful end to the brutal fascist dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. Right? It cuts both ways doesn't it?

Otherwise THEY are just flapping their gums also!!
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
the burning of a flag is because it seems to me the statement of burning your nations flag is NOT indicative of a general disillusionment with government policy. .
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The flag represents the country, the government represents the country and the flag. Burning the flag shows you disagree with the policies of the government.

And it doesn't matter what we analyse it as everyone knows why they are burning the bloody thing!
 
It said today in the paper that Kiwi protestors outside Parliament House Wellington burnt an Australian flag.

:mad:

You worthless pieces of crap.
We should make them choke on it.
Goddamn Sheepshaggers.
 

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Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
The flag represents the country, the government represents the country and the flag. Burning the flag shows you disagree with the policies of the government.
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LOL You're a corker!

How does The flag represents the country, the government represents the country and the flag. categorically lead to Burning the flag shows you disagree with the policies of the government.

You're the best argument for the 'seen but not heard' adage I've ever had the good fortune to read!
 
Originally posted by Wicked Lester
And equally the opponents of this war, who are opposed due to their concerns for the Iraqi people, will undoubtedly take to the streets repeatedly in the future and protest until the UN brings about peaceful end to the brutal fascist dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. Right? It cuts both ways doesn't it?

Otherwise THEY are just flapping their gums also!!
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Not necessarily. The people who are opposed to war aren't actually advocating anything be done on their behalf. Those in favour of the war who aren't prepared to back up their chest-beating with actions are exposed as the hollow-sounding vessels they are. We want war, but we'd rather someone else did the fighting.

There is a flaw in your logic in expecting people to take to the streets to protest against Hussain. Because one objects to Australians being sent to fight in a war which is none of our concern, doesn't mean we have to follow your advice and adopt the course you suggest. It may surprise you to know that people have minds of their own.

And they accuse New Zealand of having a lot of sheep.
 
Originally posted by skilts
Not necessarily. The people who are opposed to war aren't actually advocating anything be done on their behalf. Those in favour of the war who aren't prepared to back up their chest-beating with actions are exposed as the hollow-sounding vessels they are. We want war, but we'd rather someone else did the fighting.

There is a flaw in your logic in expecting people to take to the streets to protest against Hussain. Because one objects to Australians being sent to fight in a war which is none of our concern, doesn't mean we have to follow your advice and adopt the course you suggest. It may surprise you to know that people have minds of their own.

And they accuse New Zealand of having a lot of sheep.
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Agree to a degree - if you are an opponent of war for the reasons you have outlined - then fair enough.

But I reserve my right to remain highly sceptical of many individuals and organisations professing a concern for the average Iraqi civilian - if, and I hope, this war is averted I have grave doubts we will see vigilent activism in the name of the ordinary Iraqi civilian for quite some time. It will be out of mind and there will be other more fashionable causes to focus on.

Ironically many of the same activist groups are increasingly turning their attention to the West Papua independence movement to our near north. The movement may well have merit, but the UN says it does not - surely the UN couldn't get it wrong? Surely regime change for an allegedly oppressed people couldn't be a worthwhile objective? Apparently it is.....sometimes.

Gross hypocrisy........on both sides.
 
Originally posted by Wicked Lester
Agree to a degree - if you are an opponent of war for the reasons you have outlined - then fair enough.

But I reserve my right to remain highly sceptical of many individuals and organisations professing a concern for the average Iraqi civilian - if, and I hope, this war is averted I have grave doubts we will see vigilent activism in the name of the ordinary Iraqi civilian for quite some time. It will be out of mind and there will be other more fashionable causes to focus on.

Ironically many of the same activist groups are increasingly turning their attention to the West Papua independence movement to our near north. The movement may well have merit, but the UN says it does not - surely the UN couldn't get it wrong? Surely regime change for an allegedly oppressed people couldn't be a worthwhile objective? Apparently it is.....sometimes.

Gross hypocrisy........on both sides.
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Agree with a lot of what you say. Sad truth about fashionable causes, unfortunately. Does anyone remember the campaign to have the bilby replace the Easter Bunny?
 
Originally posted by skilts

Agree with a lot of what you say. Sad truth about fashionable causes, unfortunately. Does anyone remember the campaign to have the bilby replace the Easter Bunny?
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I do. that year I was going around supermarkets breaking easter bunnies so people would buy broken ones. I gave this up after about 2 days because it took to much effort to avoid store security.
 
Originally posted by Kenny_01
You don't have to hate specific groups to be racist. If you judge people because of their background, then that is racism. You judge people from Iraq, don't you? Do you want me to go and find old posts? I can if you want.
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Go find them then.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
LOL You're a corker!

How does The flag represents the country, the government represents the country and the flag. categorically lead to Burning the flag shows you disagree with the policies of the government.

You're the best argument for the 'seen but not heard' adage I've ever had the good fortune to read!
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corker?? you're a loser! who says corker these days?
 
Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
corker?? you're a loser! who says corker these days?
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Mobbenfuhrer does. At least it's an Aussie expression, I'd refer to people who prefer American slang over Aussie as losers.
 

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Flag Burning.

Personally i have nothing against Flag Burning,it's a legtimate method of Protest.Has been for many years.
 
Re: Flag Burning.

Originally posted by Bombers 2003
Personally i have nothing against Flag Burning,it's a legtimate method of Protest.Has been for many years.
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Flag burning is a stupid, childish, unimaginative, cowardly, low and despicable act.

It says:

" My own personal feelings are so precious that I am going to throw a little tantrum by defiling the symbol of my own nation. MY little feelings are SO important to me, that I don't give a stuff about how others feel about it, as long as you all take notice of my little tanty"

Amazing how some posters on this subject find this "Flag Burning" caper less offensive (or even desirable) because of the existence of the Union Jack in the corner.

Totally irrelevant!!

If the feelings of those who engage in such treasonous behaviour are so strong, they should consider permanently deporting themselves to a more acceptable country.

Instead of engaging in curbside vandallism and arson before retreating home to their comfy AUSTRALIAN lounge rooms to watch themselves on telly.
 
Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
Since when is Loser American? You must watch so many American shows that you think the world revolves about them!
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I think you lose this round.

Whether "loser" is an American term or not is not the point.

Mobbenfruhrer believes it is an Americanisation and you're only comeback is to assert he is an American TV show addict.???!!!???

You were the one who sought to score points by denigrating the use of the term "corker"

"Corker" is clearly an Australianism. You find that amusing?

YOU apparantly believe the use of an Australianism is something that diminishes an argument.

Maybe you have an inferiority complex.

You have a problem.
 
Originally posted by luthor


YOU apparantly believe the use of an Australianism is something that diminishes an argument.


You have a problem.
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1. Peronalising something by bagging the person DOES diminish an agrument. Have you ever been involved in a debate?

2. Yes, who think other people's agruments are their own can be a problem.
 

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Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
1. Peronalising something by bagging the person DOES diminish an agrument. Have you ever been involved in a debate?

2. Yes, who think other people's agruments are their own can be a problem.
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Sorry.

Whatever the significance of this post, has completely escaped me.
 
Re: Re: Flag Burning.

Originally posted by luthor
Flag burning is a stupid, childish, unimaginative, cowardly, low and despicable act.

It says:

" My own personal feelings are so precious that I am going to throw a little tantrum by defiling the symbol of my own nation. MY little feelings are SO important to me, that I don't give a stuff about how others feel about it, as long as you all take notice of my little tanty"

Amazing how some posters on this subject find this "Flag Burning" caper less offensive (or even desirable) because of the existence of the Union Jack in the corner.

Totally irrelevant!!

If the feelings of those who engage in such treasonous behaviour are so strong, they should consider permanently deporting themselves to a more acceptable country.

Instead of engaging in curbside vandallism and arson before retreating home to their comfy AUSTRALIAN lounge rooms to watch themselves on telly.
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Lootor.
Pls explain how to an Australian the "Union Jackass"on the Australian Flag is irrelevant?.
I'm well aware it's on the state flag of Hawaii,but that's due to historical reasons.
 
Originally posted by RacerX
Turns out flag burning is a punishable offence under the police blanket term of disorderly conduct:
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What's the penalty for burning a blanket?
 
reading the first five pages was enough for me..

funny thing is that flags have been burnt before.. and no one really seemed to care? it happened all the time in the 70's and it still happens today.. Whyfer are we making such a big deal out of this.

sure.. it is our flag.. but we don't get angry everytime the ground gets spit on or something like that. it's our earth.. a part of our country.. yet.. it's ok to do just that.

theres plenty of flags around.. i'm sure we can sacrifice just one.. :p :o
 

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