The Law FNQ's Bob Katter proposes outback camps for young indigenous offenders

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Katter's Australia Party proposes outback Queensland camps for young offenders​


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Young offenders would be forcibly relocated to outback detention camps for "intensive rehabilitation" under a proposal by Katter's Australia Party.

The Queensland "Relocation Sentencing" proposal was announced on Monday alongside a report outlining how the proposal would work. The report claimed the idea was based on the Aboriginal practice of Buje-Ka, in which people would be banished for breaking tribal laws. The mandatory program would see repeat youth offenders housed in demountable buildings where they would be tasked with cooking, cleaning, and vocational training. Those who try to escape would be "dealt with" on a case-by-case basis, and possibly put into lockdown.

Party leader Robbie Katter said the plan had broad backing from the Aboriginal community in his electorate.

"It's driven very strongly by a lot of the Aboriginal elders in the areas we represent," Mr Katter said. "If you can force a kid into an area where they're forced to listen in smaller groups, we think — and the evidence would show — there's a better chance of bringing them around. We've listened to them, and it's time the government listened to them as well."

The proposed camps would be built in North or Far North Queensland, but it remained to be seen exactly where, or how much it would cost. Those who demonstrate good behaviour would be released after six months, while those who did not would stay for 12 months.

Member for Hinchinbrook Nick Dametto said this was a "compassionate" measure to crack down on Queensland's youth crime.

"We want to make sure our streets are kept safe, making sure some of those hardcore recidivist youth offenders are being detained for up to 12 months," Mr Dametto said. "It gives reprieve to every one of those people right now who are locking themselves like a fortress into their houses on a nightly basis."

The camps would house up to 30 offenders aged between 10 and 17 years old.

The party handed out copies of the plan to all Queensland MPs on Monday, and will attempt to gain parliamentary backing for the plan in the coming months.

Member for Hill Shane Knuth said they hoped to run a pilot camp with a view to eventually building 10 to 20 camps in outback Queensland. Mr Knuth said he estimated a camp could cost around $5 to $10 million to build. He said this would be cheaper than a detention centre in the city.

"The beauty of this is if you're 400 kilometres from the next town you don't need to worry about where the kids are going too much — they haven't got much choice," Mr Knuth said. "That should really put downward pressure on all the costs. We would see this as a small fraction of the cost of your current conventional youth detention service."



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Seems just a tad racist, yeah? Like the Stolen Generation version 2023

On the other hand, it might just have a positive impact on rehabilitating the wayward youths who are caught in a negative spiral of drugs and delinquency.

Can it work? Are they for real? Is this really happening? Queenslanders gonna Queenslander, et cetera...
 
Something needs to be done, we can’t have kids ending up in jail at such a young age … they simply become career criminals

Some sort of cadets-style program would be worthy of consideration - where they are given a proper education and taught practical life skills like nutrition, financial management, goal setting, personal discipline, empathy, time management, etc.
The program would run throughout their teenage years (not just 6 months), with a pathway to meaningful employment / career.

I’m not advocating that I have all the answers (far from), but from what I saw in Townsville recently (absolutely heart-breaking) - this needs to be addressed now, otherwise our society is going to have huge problem on its hands in years to come.

... Our vulnerable kids should be the first priority
 
The "ship em off to a labour camp" idea is bunkum far as I know.

Katter wants to take rehabilitation out of others hands and dump kids into the wilderness? They want to take sentencing out of the hands of judges?

Nah.
 

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"If you can force a kid into an area where they're forced to listen in smaller groups,
Why not listen to the child as well?

It just drips of paternalism and quick fixes.
 
If it's only aboriginal kids then it's out of line has to be aimed at all youth offenders and be part of a sentence that a judge passed down. Would it work ? If it's properly resourced and staffed it could make a difference. At worst it could just be a dumping ground for youth offenders so the politicians can say we are tough on crime they are off the streets etc.
The devil is in the detail and what metrics will they measure the success of the program. Will they have full time psychologists , health care and drug rehabilitation staff (will they be able to recruit them to work remotely) ? Or will it be ex coppers / military who will run it like a boot camp ? I would also doubt the cost savings as transporting kids , staff , food etc would be excessive plus any requirements for medical evacuations.
Not fully against it but would like to see more detail and if any other countries have run similar programs with any success.
 
Why do people like Katter assume that city kids need to get out into the bush to toughen them up?
Meanwhile the cities are also hard places full of crime, drugs, and milky coffee.

I'd also like to see a bit more than the word of a Katter that this has the support of indigenous groups too.
If they have people like North Shore mover and shaker Warren Mundine on their side then how can you doubt them??

Who will win the contracts for 20 labour camps at $10 mil a pop? Wouldn't be Katter Kronies would it? Heaven forbid!

How will they get the kids there? Might need train lines and cattle cars.
 
You cannot pick a person up from a location, put them in a completely different location... interact with them differently... Find that they interact differently... AND THEN put them back into the exact same position they were in before relocation.

It's repeatedly one of the main reasons that incarceration creates recidivism.



You cannot solve the problem, by beating the outcome with a bigger stick.
You need to address the causes.


Sorry to say, but anyone who supports this, but opposes The Indigenous Voice to Parliament, is dishonest and ignorant.

Indigenous people aren't genetically inferior to non-Indigenous people... It's a huge collection of influences that stem from things like generational trauma, systemic racism, and ignorance.

There is no genetic signifier that causes disproportionately negative outcomes for Indigenous people...
It's our culture, society, laws, and racism.
 

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Has stolen generation written all over it.
The people arguing for this, insisting it's what Indigenous people want...

Are the same people actively campaigning against The Indigenous Voice to Parliament.


The main reason for the opposition to The Indigenous Voice to Parliament, from any political party... Is that it will be a definitive and stated voice for Indigenous people...

Which means that Katter et al can't use 'them' as political footballs, and insist they're just doing what 'they' want.
If The Indigenous Voice to Parliament comes out and states that it's a lucrative cash grab that will lead to yet another generation of harm and violence...
Katter can't just lie and say "But we talked to the people!!! And they support it!!!".


Don't forget, The Stolen Generation is still viewed by many Australians... as a positive... That Indigenous people should be grateful for...
That's how racist we are as a society...
Plenty of posts on this forum, and even recently that you've engaged with... insist that YOU should be grateful for the torture you went through... Because it made you more 'white'...
 
Not enough detail for me. Makes you wonder what else they are hiding.

I also don't like how it is dividing us by race. They need to clearly state if this is if you identify as first nations or are actually first nations. I can see this being used as punishment for not completing your homework!

I am not a lawyer, but it does seem legally risky. I wouldn't want a parking fine causing this kind of detainment. No issue is beyond the scope of the proposal.

It does sound costly and bureaucratic

There are better ways of improving the outcomes of our aboriginal youth without unnecessary and remote incarnation.


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Hopefully no where

These rural camps for troubled teens have a long history, generally it takes an inevitable death(suicide or beaten to death) or two and they shut it down. Absolutely no evidence they work.
If you want a rabbit hole to go down check out synanon for the methodology and culty stuff behind it, batshit
 
This idea is racist. The no vote fuelling it.
LOL considering that the no vote happened well after Katter's party announced this how is it fueling it?

It really seems that yes voters are just claiming that everything which seeks to look at matters relating to indigenous affairs which they don't like (for example to conduct audits of Aboriginal spending) is now racist and the fault of the no campaign when it sim ply isn't.
 
LOL considering that the no vote happened well after Katter's party announced this how is it fueling it?

It really seems that yes voters are just claiming that everything which seeks to look at matters relating to indigenous affairs which they don't like (for example to conduct audits of Aboriginal spending) is now racist and the fault of the no campaign when it sim ply isn't.
The intent is to make political headway by painting Aboriginal people as child abusing thieves.
 

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