Religion Folau

[sherb]

The only thing FitzSimons has a good handle on is his ****.

Clueless yet again. He can't see that the issue is much bigger than rugby.

It was interesting to read how worthless Folau's word is.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It was interesting to read how worthless Folau's word is.

Not sure what kind of undertaking he gave to RA last year. After the stink died down he said he'd always put his faith before his career.

The most interesting thing in the article is the clarification that no "special clause" inhibiting Folau's social media activities exists, as has been widely reported. He has the same contract as every other player.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Not sure what kind of undertaking he gave to RA last year. After the stink died down he said he'd always put his faith before his career.

The most interesting thing in the article is the clarification that no "special clause" inhibiting Folau's social media activities exists, as has been widely reported. He has the same contract as every other player.

Yes which stipulates no discrimination on the basis of sexuality.

 

[bresker]

Except Folou didn't bring them in, Rugby Australia did. Folau posted on his personal social media account, Rugby Australia then brought politics in by disagreeing with his religious views and taking action and then Folau is now defending himself.

Is that not accurate? Goodes may have done the same I'm not sure who played the race card first him or the media.

There's no such thing as a 'personal social media account.' Unless your settings are super tight, it's in the public domain. Especially if you're famous.Anyone can read it. That's why it's called 'social.'


If Folau didn't want his views becoming widely known, he should have told him in secret to his special Sky Man, the one who created gays but then decided he didn't like them. Or he should buy a diary?

The people who 'played the race card' with Goodes were mostly posters on BigFooty.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It is as simple as Issy as breached his contract by discriminating on the basis of sexuality.

It'n not about discrimination, it's about breach of contract. And possibly whether RA's application of the contract infringes upon constitutional rights.

 

[Downhill Skier]

It is as simple as Issy as breached his contract by discriminating on the basis of sexuality.

I dont think you quite understand what discrimination is.

 

[Red mist]

Is there the slightest chance that Israel Folau will return to the AFL as it seems he is about to be sacked by the ARU and the NRL don't want him back. So unless he gets an offer from French RU he could try and worm his way back into AF. Just saying

No. He’s got better chance of ****ing my arse before he goes back to AFL.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It'n not about discrimination, it's about breach of contract. And possibly whether RA's application of the contract infringes upon constitutional rights.

No constitutional rights have been effected.
With any larger organisation the employment contract will have fine print saying no discrimination on the basis of sexuality.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...e-rugby-australias-termination-of-4m-contract

It is part of the Australian human rights! It is set in concrete ,

The Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (SDA) makes it unlawful to discriminate against a person because of their sex, gender identity, intersex status, sexual orientation, marital or relationship status, family responsibilities, because they are pregnant or might become pregnant or because they are breastfeeding.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/sex-discrimination

 

[Slartibartfast]

I dont think you quite understand what discrimination is.

Here it is for you too
https://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/sex-discrimination

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yes which stipulates no discrimination on the basis of sexuality.

What about the drunks the adulterers the liars the foricators the thieves the atheists and the idolisers?

Thats about 99% of the population who will tick at least one of those boxes. Is it possible for one person to discriminate against 99% o the world population?

 

[Downhill Skier]

Here it is for you too
https://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/sex-discrimination

In what world is Folau an employer and how did he discriminate against one of his employees or a customer and den them a service . Actually read it and you might understand what discrimination actually is .

 

[Ron The Bear]

No constitutional rights have been effected.
With any larger organisation the employment contract will have fine print saying no discrimination on the basis of sexuality.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...e-rugby-australias-termination-of-4m-contract

It is part of the Australian human rights! It is set in concrete ,

The Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (SDA) makes it unlawful to discriminate against a person because of their sex, gender identity, intersex status, sexual orientation, marital or relationship status, family responsibilities, because they are pregnant or might become pregnant or because they are breastfeeding.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/sex-discrimination

Anyone can post the same thing as Folau tomorrow and not be in breach of any laws (yet!).

"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."

- Section 116 of the Constitution

There are also laws at state level which differ according to the state.

 

[Slartibartfast]

In what world is Folau an employer and how did he discriminate against one of his employees or a customer and den them a service . Actually read it and you might understand what discrimination actually is .

Yes you should read it!!!
It’s relates to employees.

 

[Gough]

Anyone can post the same thing as Folau tomorrow and not be in breach of any laws (yet!).

"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."

- Section 116 of the Constitution

There are also laws at state level which differ according to the state.

I suspect it's contract law laywers rather than constitutional ones that are arguing the case.

 

[Slartibartfast]

What about the drunks the adulterers the liars the foricators the thieves the atheists and the idolisers?

Thats about 99% of the population who will tick at least one of those boxes. Is it possible for one person to discriminate against 99% o the world population?

your a real knuckle dragger .
This is about Issy and his sexual discrimination in the workplace.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I suspect it's contract law laywers rather than constitutional ones that are arguing the case.

Yeah. At this stage.

Edit: He's engaged Ramy Qutami, who's butted heads with the NRL.

 

[Downhill Skier]

Yes you should read it!!!
It’s relates to employees.

Can you name what rights of people Folau violated and how he discriminated against them . For discrimination to occur an INDIVIDUAL has to be discriminated against .

Who did he discriminate against and how did he discriminate ?

 

[Starburns_]

Can you name what rights of people Folau violated and how he discriminated against them . For discrimination to occur an INDIVIDUAL has to be discriminated against .

Who did he discriminate against and how did he discriminate ?

He discriminated by telling them they weren't welcome in his magical fairy land.

 

[Downhill Skier]

He discriminated by telling them they weren't welcome in his magical fairy land.

Ok then , if you think so . You still don’t actually know what discrimination is though. Read your document and you might get an idea by the examples .

 

[Sausages]

Ok then , if you think so . You still don’t actually know what discrimination is though. Read your document and you might get an idea by the examples .

You do realise that you're responding to the wrong person here, don't you?

 

[Downhill Skier]

You do realise that you're responding to the wrong person here, don't you?

Haha no I didn’t but I do now . That argument would not have surprised me though

 

[Percel]

When does ablett junior get sacked then.

 

[juss]

There's no such thing as a 'personal social media account.' Unless your settings are super tight, it's in the public domain. Especially if you're famous.Anyone can read it. That's why it's called 'social.'


If Folau didn't want his views becoming widely known, he should have told him in secret to his special Sky Man, the one who created gays but then decided he didn't like them. Or he should buy a diary?

The people who 'played the race card' with Goodes were mostly posters on BigFooty.

That's fine but I was responding to someone who said Folau brought politics into sport. He wasn't the one to initiate that. That happened when Rugby Australia charged him for sharing his religious views. I dont think Folau posted with the intention to spark a debate and legal hearing on religious freedom (is what his lawyers will argue) for professional athletes.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You wouldn’t see a Muslim player sacked for discrimination because he won’t allow his wife to enter the mosque with him.

 

[Two Planks]

So ARU will argue that he committed sexual discrimination and Issy will argue that the ARU has committed Religious discrimination. This will be very messy.