Religion Folau

[kranky al]

Folau isn’t criminally judged for his comments - he has freedom of speech

He doesn’t need to face fear of imprisonment - that’s his freedom

There is no rule that others can’t judge you commercially for your speech/actions

The bigger question is whether he is being sacked for his religious beliefs - now that’s a constitutional doozy for which I would not have a bloody clue

If i were the lawyer opposed to him, Id argue that the tattoo sleeves he proudly wears are explicitly banned in the same book he uses to justify pillorying gays.

Good luck with that one.

In the new testament jesus specifically refutes the old testament - now seeing as his religion is christian and not jewish id call that a slam dunk. Literally in his OWN GODS WORDS - he is incorrect and its not his religious beliefs being impinged on.

There is nothing in the new testament about gays.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Hey Mods.
Is this really main board worthy, this should be continued on the SRC forum.
Can achieve little more here.

Yep, I find the whole thing rather tedious.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

So your workmate is a heckler , got called out, then physically threatened her and now he is squealing coz he emailed her company.
Your drawing long bows again.
Issy is a creep who deserves to lose his contract.

Just about everything you've put in this post is wrong. It's like playing Chinese whispers, I put up the info and by the time you get it from brain to page it's all wrong.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Folau's defenders think they can word game his way out of this

I'm still waiting for that sentence you seem to be having so much trouble with.

 

[iameviljez]

She abused him, he told he even though he had been raised not to assault women that he could consider making an exception for her

Oh wow. Oh, that's bad.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Are you really defending him? If he said this about Aboriginals he'd be completely finished.

Just in case you've forgotten what I was referring to.

In the context that Folau appears to have posted his original message, adapt it so that it's Aborigines instead of the 8 groups he listed.

Put in a sentence why Aboriginals are going to hell and for what? I'm interested in how you'd word it.

 

[JB1989]

Sorry guys i appear on the list 6 times!!!

Id rather have an awesome time in hell with all my friends than all the w***ers in heaven telling me what to do

Media needs to get over it... they just make things worse by giving it attention...

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Oh wow. Oh, that's bad.

He's a peanut and so is she. In the context of things, once she googled him, she would have known that she was in Melbourne and he was in the Pilbara. She was threatened with rape amongst other things during this particular incident involving a lot of people (not by my colleague but by others)

His fault for using his real name and for what he said.

He is a Collingwood supporter.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I'll be interested to see if the ARU cops some heat coming back the other way from supporters of Folau. A drop in attendances, less viewers.

 

[RUNVS]

Yep, I find the whole thing rather tedious.

and this guy lives in Adelaide.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Folau's defenders think they can word game his way out of this

Point out where I have specifically defended anything he has said. I'm just asking some questions and you and your frothing mates are uncomfortable with it.

 

[psychobrown]

This is what happens when we name our children after countries

 

[kranky al]

I'll be interested to see if the ARU cops some heat coming back the other way from supporters of Folau. A drop in attendances, less viewers.

So 10 people watching instead of 11?

 

[Mofra]

I'll be interested to see if the ARU cops some heat coming back the other way from supporters of Folau. A drop in attendances, less viewers.

Given the state of RU in Australia it would only add to the dumpster fire of their attendances & viewing audience issue.

 

[brucetiki]

Carlton?

Not even they would be that desperate I wouldn't think

 

[legend166]

Could it be because most Christian religions do not hold to "the basic Christian sexual ethic"? If they did, divorce would still not be recognised. Society progresses and religions either progress with them or become irrelevant. Israel Folau represents the most regressive approach to christianity.

Sure, you're not going to get an argument from me that the church has been hugely hypocritical on this issue and has fundamentally failed at responding to the sexual revolution.

I did a double take when I saw Chris Pratt's defence of Hillsong (after there were calls to go after him because of Hillsong's stance towards homosexuality) as something along the lines of "But my church was super supportive during my divorce!"

 

[DrEvil_]

Who cares? He was too shit for AFL and is irrelevant.

 

[RUNVS]

This is what happens when we name our children after countries

Oddly enough I have met a handful of Georgia's and they have always been extremely nice kids. Never met a bad Georgia.

 

[iameviljez]

He's a peanut and so is she. In the context of things, once she googled him, she would have known that she was in Melbourne and he was in the Pilbara. She was threatened with rape amongst other things during this particular incident involving a lot of people (not by my colleague but by others)

His fault for using his real name and for what he said.

He is a Collingwood supporter.

Was this a certain columnist whose name rhymes with Matherine Meveny perchance?

 

[caspian]

If i were the lawyer opposed to him, Id argue that the tattoo sleeves he proudly wears are explicitly banned in the same book he uses to justify pillorying gays.

Good luck with that one.

In the new testament jesus specifically refutes the old testament - now seeing as his religion is christian and not jewish id call that a slam dunk. Literally in his OWN GODS WORDS - he is incorrect and its not his religious beliefs being impinged on.

There is nothing in the new testament about gays.

He says he's there to "fulfil the law", not trash the whole thing. Of course then you could argue that this might come under purity laws and not moral laws or whatever. There's also Roman 1, which definitely has something about gays (might be Romans 2?). Let's be willing to say that the whole thing has a lot of nuance and complexity- it's a complex book and a complex religion after all- but at the same time just going "yeah well Jesus says the OT doesn't count" is flat out wrong.

Probably a long boring argument for another time, of course.

edit: still, be nice if Christians like Israel paid as much attention to things like giving extremely generously, speaking truth to power etc as much as they did TEH GAYZ or whatever, seeing as that's also everywhere in the OT.

 

[Ghost of Punt Road]

All I heard was "Gay people will go to an imaginary place"

 

[Admiral Byng]

It really is not so complicated:

ARU: Mr Folau, we'd love for you to come and play rugby with us, but we have some policies that might be against your religion. We'd need you to agree to set aside your right to make public statements which contradict our public position of these matters.

Foloau: OK sure. (signs contract)

 

[Upgrayedd]

Given the state of RU in Australia it would only add to the dumpster fire of their attendances & viewing audience issue.

Might be the first thing the ARU has gotten right in 15 years.

 

[iameviljez]

It might be time to kill this thread. It's become a Being Gay vs Free Speech thing.

 

[Belnakor]

It really is not so complicated:

ARU: Mr Folau, we'd love for you to come and play rugby with us, but we have some policies that might be against your religion. We'd need you to agree to set aside your right to make public statements which contradict our public position of these matters.

Foloau: OK sure. (signs contract)

i can assume they told him something like that last time he had a brain explosion on twitter.