Forged invoice.

[lones37]

Dank has already told the ACC he gave the players thymosin.

Given they phone tapped him for 12 months going to be a bit hard to get out of the fact the players received Thymosin.

So when ASADA get all the info, then they will act.

 

[Zerg]

Interesting, but not surprising that a proportion of the population will end up believing that spin (self protective untruth) is fact if it gets repeated enough times.

Well the interim report has been handed in, player admits to probably taking it yet there is no infraction notice. Would suggest the likely hood of being rubbed out for it is lower rather than higher.

Of course the Carlton supporters live in hope and believe their own spin as they must get justice for their pain they suffered in the early 2000's and what better club to extract it on...

 

[Keys]

Our sons are playing each other tomorrow. I've just finished a banner for my other son! ... and Australia got another wicket!

So the important question is who's son won

 

[rand corp]

'60k' Worth of unspecified, (let's call then that...yeah, I like the sound of that) 'Amino Acids' says hi.

Its like clutching at straws on a camel's back!!!

 

[Messenger]

Our flogdog who art in heaven.

Hallowed be thy tweets.

OP claiming players won't be done for AOD. Where is this coming from? If they've taken it they'll get done.

Jumping the gun perhaps.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Where on earth does this thing start and end?

Are we going to find out Dank was selling the extra juice on the side to fund Nicaraguan contras?

 

[Laphroaig]

Well the interim report has been handed in, player admits to probably taking it yet there is no infraction notice.

Be patient.

 

[base615]

Maybe all the extra gear got pumped into Hird

 

[fishardansin]

So the important question is who's son won

My sons team won but Brown Bottle jnr was a beauty. Big lump of a lad who moves well and has some skill. My boy played well to.

The boy who had his 50th played his first game in agess because of broken arm and pulled hip flexor. Great to see out there.

 

[Satan]

Be patient.

Dank had at least 50 , team, coaches , hirds PA

 

[r_boy]

Dank has already told the ACC he gave the players thymosin.

Given they phone tapped him for 12 months going to be a bit hard to get out of the fact the players received Thymosin.

So when ASADA get all the info, then they will act.

Certainly the report hold up is due to some kind of gap between the evidence from the ACC and what ASADA have managed to collect. Dank is the final piece of the puzzle.

 

[Swansrepeat]

As an Essendon supporter that still holds out strong hope that the club didn't actually cross any lines last year the piece of information that has worried me the most is that invoice from the hyperbaric centre and the story of "thymosin peptide". It is fairly well known that no one is going down for AOD so it is real performance enhancers that are I'm worried about. The invoice with "amino acids" could mean anything and "thymosin peptide" could be the dreaded beta 4.

Anyhow the word going around tonight is that the invoice was forged because the players never recieved that many injections, and Zaharakis was down as getting injected. There is also talk that the amount of injections across the whole program was no where near what the club was billed for.

Perhaps Fogdog's claims about this being more of a police investigation regards fraud and ASADA checking if evidence of any rogue behavior occurred is on the money.

The invoice related to approximately $50,000 for hyperbaric chambers and over $5,000 for the Vacusports Machine which was one of only two in Australia, the other being used last year by Sydney (but not this year). The amino acids component was around $4,000.
The treatment was primarily provided for the Carlton and Collingwood games when there was only 4 days recovery - that was the reason the Hypermed clinic was approached - as it was the only clinic/hospital able to provide the hyperbaric services - no premium was charged for the fact the players were frequenting over the weekend and as late as midnight on the Saturday after the Carlton game plus all day Sunday. $150 is extremely cheap as hospitals have charged non Medicare patients up to $400 per hour so any suggestions of impropriety are clearly misinformed.

The provision of hyperbaric made a significant impact on the club's performance for the four game period the Club primarily used the services, based on appropriate statistical analysis. The Clinic was asked to provide a proposal for hyperbaric chambers at the Essendon Airport complex because the Club was so pleased with the outcome of the services.

 

[blue harvest]

Is Ian Hanke back as a Swan?

 

[IanW]

Is Ian Hanke back as a Swan?

Nahh, I dont think that was Hanke

In any case, it's pretty straight forward to ask the players if they were in the hyperbaric chamber on or about date blah ...

 

[blue harvest]

Nahh, I dont think that was Hanke

In any case, it's pretty straight forward to ask the players if they were in the hyperbaric chamber on or about date blah ...

Yep, if the 50K was used for that at $150/hr as mentioned above, then it means each player spent about 15 hours in it, should be easy to verify.

 

[Joe Johnson]

Dank has already told the ACC he gave the players thymosin.

Thymosin α1?
Thymosin β4?
Thymosin π7?

 

[Joe Johnson]

The invoice related to approximately $50,000 for hyperbaric chambers and over $5,000 for the Vacusports Machine which was one of only two in Australia, the other being used last year by Sydney (but not this year). The amino acids component was around $4,000.
The treatment was primarily provided for the Carlton and Collingwood games when there was only 4 days recovery - that was the reason the Hypermed clinic was approached - as it was the only clinic/hospital able to provide the hyperbaric services - no premium was charged for the fact the players were frequenting over the weekend and as late as midnight on the Saturday after the Carlton game plus all day Sunday. $150 is extremely cheap as hospitals have charged non Medicare patients up to $400 per hour so any suggestions of impropriety are clearly misinformed.

The provision of hyperbaric made a significant impact on the club's performance for the four game period the Club primarily used the services, based on appropriate statistical analysis. The Clinic was asked to provide a proposal for hyperbaric chambers at the Essendon Airport complex because the Club was so pleased with the outcome of the services.

That's a pretty impressive first post

Not interested in how Tippett is traveling at all?

 

[campbell]

Yep, if the 50K was used for that at $150/hr as mentioned above, then it means each player spent about 15 hours in it, should be easy to verify.[/

Easy as. As players who say whatever. Verify by their mobile phone records on audit.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

Haha - I had been contemplating starting a thread on this but was unsure of what had been reported/ what was true. Apart from the forged invoice is there also not a suggestion that some of the substances invoiced were not actually received/used and may have actually been used by dank in his private clinic and not by essendon

If so surely the bombers would be seeking to lay criminal charges as this would constitute fraud/embezzlement

Tbh it appears to me that the football department at essendon in 2012 was completely dysfunctional and as a result it may well be that the confusion within the club will ultimately lead to the club and their players getting away with taking a banned substance because nobody had a clue wtf was going on and the evidence is inconclusive

So is this why Hird has been acting so smug the whole time, his getting off is hinging on something like this?? Why were they holding these cards close to the chest?

 

[Swansrepeat]

So is this why Hird has been acting so smug the whole time, his getting off is hinging on something like this?? Why were they holding these cards close to the chest?

Any suggestion of a forged invoice is a total farce - this invoice was the subject of no less than 8 individual Essendon management staff reviewing it before it was ultimately paid - in the end it took 6 months to extract any money out of Essendon given their apparent lack of funds to cover it - and only $50,000 was paid.
Each player had a detailed patient file recording all treatments and a spreadsheet has been provided to Essendon of each individual treatment provided by date and round number.
Asada has provided a letter confirming hyperbaric is not banned and it amazes me no club is utilising this service to reduce injuries, minimise damage from concussion and aid recovery, hence the ability to train harder.
Forgery allegations are so off the money - I should add each player signed a separate consent form - this has nothing to do with the consent forms previously discussed in the media relating to the clinic over the road from Esssendon where allegedly treatments were provided from January 2012. Hyperbaric did not start until the wednesday before the Carlton match in round 4 in April

 

[Achilles Heel]

That quasi-religous language is really quite disturbing....the cult of Hird is at least vaguely understandable ...do we also have a cult of Fogdog?

don't drink the kool aid

 

[Achilles Heel]

hang on did one of the past or present essendon players say the number of injections they received was unlike anything else theyre experienced before?

It may have been the "brownlow medalist"

 

[fishardansin]

Any suggestion of a forged invoice is a total farce - this invoice was the subject of no less than 8 individual Essendon management staff reviewing it before it was ultimately paid - in the end it took 6 months to extract any money out of Essendon given their apparent lack of funds to cover it - and only $50,000 was paid.
Each player had a detailed patient file recording all treatments and a spreadsheet has been provided to Essendon of each individual treatment provided by date and round number.
Asada has provided a letter confirming hyperbaric is not banned and it amazes me no club is utilising this service to reduce injuries, minimise damage from concussion and aid recovery, hence the ability to train harder.
Forgery allegations are so off the money - I should add each player signed a separate consent form - this has nothing to do with the consent forms previously discussed in the media relating to the clinic over the road from Esssendon where allegedly treatments were provided from January 2012. Hyperbaric did not start until the wednesday before the Carlton match in round 4 in April

So bombers in the clear then?

 

[LongBomb]

Any suggestion of a forged invoice is a total farce - this invoice was the subject of no less than 8 individual Essendon management staff reviewing it before it was ultimately paid - in the end it took 6 months to extract any money out of Essendon given their apparent lack of funds to cover it - and only $50,000 was paid.
Each player had a detailed patient file recording all treatments and a spreadsheet has been provided to Essendon of each individual treatment provided by date and round number.
Asada has provided a letter confirming hyperbaric is not banned and it amazes me no club is utilising this service to reduce injuries, minimise damage from concussion and aid recovery, hence the ability to train harder.
Forgery allegations are so off the money - I should add each player signed a separate consent form - this has nothing to do with the consent forms previously discussed in the media relating to the clinic over the road from Esssendon where allegedly treatments were provided from January 2012. Hyperbaric did not start until the wednesday before the Carlton match in round 4 in April

Thanks Mal.

 

[questionable]

The invoice related to approximately $50,000 for hyperbaric chambers and over $5,000 for the Vacusports Machine which was one of only two in Australia, the other being used last year by Sydney (but not this year). The amino acids component was around $4,000.
The treatment was primarily provided for the Carlton and Collingwood games when there was only 4 days recovery - that was the reason the Hypermed clinic was approached - as it was the only clinic/hospital able to provide the hyperbaric services - no premium was charged for the fact the players were frequenting over the weekend and as late as midnight on the Saturday after the Carlton game plus all day Sunday. $150 is extremely cheap as hospitals have charged non Medicare patients up to $400 per hour so any suggestions of impropriety are clearly misinformed.

The provision of hyperbaric made a significant impact on the club's performance for the four game period the Club primarily used the services, based on appropriate statistical analysis. The Clinic was asked to provide a proposal for hyperbaric chambers at the Essendon Airport complex because the Club was so pleased with the outcome of the services.

Any suggestion of a forged invoice is a total farce - this invoice was the subject of no less than 8 individual Essendon management staff reviewing it before it was ultimately paid - in the end it took 6 months to extract any money out of Essendon given their apparent lack of funds to cover it - and only $50,000 was paid.
Each player had a detailed patient file recording all treatments and a spreadsheet has been provided to Essendon of each individual treatment provided by date and round number.
Asada has provided a letter confirming hyperbaric is not banned and it amazes me no club is utilising this service to reduce injuries, minimise damage from concussion and aid recovery, hence the ability to train harder.
Forgery allegations are so off the money - I should add each player signed a separate consent form - this has nothing to do with the consent forms previously discussed in the media relating to the clinic over the road from Esssendon where allegedly treatments were provided from January 2012. Hyperbaric did not start until the wednesday before the Carlton match in round 4 in April

g'day swansrepeat. welcome aboard!

those are some well made points. i just hope you'll forgive a little bit of skepticism from some people of the ethical practices at hypermed.

i'm not sure if you're aware, but the guy who runs the place - malcolm hooper - has form with this sort of thing: he was recently found guilty of misconduct for scamming nearly $50k from a patient with cerebral palsy and had his chiropractic registration struck off as a result last week. a real shit bloke by the sounds of it!

but i'm sure he has a perfectly good explanation for all of that, and i'm sure he could also satisfactorily explain exactly what 'amino acids' he provided to essendon players last year. there are certainly a lot of people who'd like to know.

and hey, now that his reputation is ruined and his registration cancelled, maybe he'll have the time to join this forum to argue his case. if he does, the two of you would have much to talk about; according to your profile, you even have the same birth date as him. what are the odds?