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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

All About Carlton

Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




Full AFL Trade/Draft Key Dates

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Indicative Draft Order

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Planet14 said:
Why do you think players we don't want and can't get near our best 22 have more value than we are getting? Fish is gone for effectively pick 31, which is bordering on overs.

Setterfield walked to Essendon, played four good games then got injured. Ended with 10 games averaging 20 touches. Pretty much what caused us to not want him in the firs place.

Stocker hasn't done much at St K, and was relegated to sub late in the year.

Dow is struggled to make an impact in 7 years at Carlton. What club would be willing to pay real currency for what would be a speculative pick on their behalf?
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I agree, we got overs for Fisher..and agree with all the rest too.
 
Crippa#9 said:
Really? Terrific player but doesnt fill a 'need' at all.
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We lack a third forward that can kick 30-40 goals in a season at this point in time. Our forward line is also our most inexperienced line and some experience/leadership would help significantly.
 

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Planet14 said:
Why do you think players we don't want and can't get near our best 22 have more value than we are getting? Fish is gone for effectively pick 31, which is bordering on overs.

Setterfield walked to Essendon, played four good games then got injured. Ended with 10 games averaging 20 touches. Pretty much what caused us to not want him in the firs place.

Stocker hasn't done much at St K, and was relegated to sub late in the year.

Dow is struggled to make an impact in 7 years at Carlton. What club would be willing to pay real currency for what would be a speculative pick on their behalf?
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While I don't disagree, another way to look at it is that a club taking Dow has a) more of an idea what they're getting (strengths, weaknesses, areas of prospective improvement) and b) they do not need to have him undertake multiple preseasons to get there. You're banking on current or better performance (and St Kilda will bank on getting more out of him than we did) immediately versus a potentially higher ceiling in 2-3 seasons.

Underpricing non-draft talent is in vogue at present, but it really wasn't all that long ago that clubs paid out firsts for peripheral talent. Jed Anderson was traded for an early second, Brandon Ellis was given a 3 mill contract as a FA which despite winning a flag was enough to trigger a second round pick (39); had they had a worse year, that pick could've been substantially lower. The Jack Higgins trade resembles Fisher's; St Kilda received Higgins and 21 for 17 and a future second.

Either they want him or they don't. If SOS wants to play 'walk to the PSD' again, doing so ensures that he has to pay substantially more to a player with a lower ceiling to guarantee his signature; that play might've been fine at Carlton with Jack Martin (narrator: it wasn't) but at St Kilda their list would already be biting a fair chunk of their salary cap due to the ins over the last 4-5 years.

Overpaying (contract wise) for Dow would not be wise list management. They need to find something that works for us (trade wise) or risk one of the 12 other clubs between them and him taking him first.

Sydney have a selection before they do.
 
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WalshistheGOAT said:
Gutless... lol.

Fisher's been one of my favourite players since his debut, a very smart footballer with lovely skills but ultimately he wasn't very good defensively and that's why he was replaced by options who better fit our needs in that half forward role.

Had similar thoughts on Levi when we let him go. Loved what he did for the club in a tough time, I even have a signed guernsey from The Big Tofu... End of the day we wanted to make space for Harry and Charlie to become our two spearheads and it meant he was pushed out due to his limitations as a footballer.

If stating that is 'clipping a player on their way out' call me gutless all you want. Imo it's the equivalent of calling water wet. The club could have easily held on to Fisher if we wanted but clearly we saw him as replaceable and were happy to let him seek better opportunities for himself.
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you dont think that last sentence could've been left out?
 
Soapy V said:
A few people confident we will have a deal for Hollands by Monday. Both clubs happy to deal

I hope so. I rate the kid and think he will thrive under Voss
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He is definitely a gem. I'm confident that the Acres polishing wheel will polish him right up!
 
ETET said:
I agree, we got overs for Fisher..and agree with all the rest too.
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Agree - I posted this earlier, people are too busy worrying about getting a 'win' (a dick measuring exercise if you ask me) rather than our list needs.

Fortunately our list is now in a pretty good mature position where we can just focus on filling gaps and specific needs. It's how Stephen Wells has been able to operate for the last 10-15 years. Identify what we want and go after it, get the deal done early if possible, get the salary off our books and move on.
 
teddy-hopkins said:
Nobody has had a bigger impact on Carlton than SOS in the last 30 years. Transformed a short-sighted glorified VFL shambles into a serious AFL club. In other words we'd still be in Essendon's position without him.

So the main difference between SOS and dodo is that the sun does really shine out his ass.
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Incorrect on all fronts.
 

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Stamos said:
Really concerned about the prevalence of people using ‘ass’ when they mean ‘arse’.
This is an Australian Rules Football forum FFS.
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RAPPA said:
This is one of my favorite things said. Need a moderator who can specialize on the issue.
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Chief
How about a site-wide autocorrect of 'ass' to 'arse', or at least 'donkey'?
 
carlton_99 said:
We lack a third forward that can kick 30-40 goals in a season at this point in time. Our forward line is also our most inexperienced line and some experience/leadership would help significantly.
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That’s what Brisbane thought too and now want to move him out after a first hand look.
Gunston’s nowhere near the player he was.
He’s playing “old” and “safe” and that’s not what we need with September in mind …
 
Red Bull said:
That’s what Brisbane thought too and now want to move him out after a first hand look.
Gunston’s nowhere near the player he was.
He’s playing “old” and “safe” and that’s not what we need with September in mind …
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I still think it's very low risk. He would cost pretty much nothing you would think in trade value and salary. Even if he played 0 games just having him around to help with the development of the forward would be significant.

It's obviously very unlikely with the reports saying he wants to go to Hawthorn but I really don't see ant downside to the move
 
Arr0w said:
It's rare, normally impossible that you will pick the best player in the land with pick 1, let alone picking the best player still available at any other pick

Any recruiter that does that over their tenure would be the highest paid staff member at their club
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Generally speaking I totally agree in fact I have little interest in watching TAC etc games to 'spot' talent as typically the best of them are early maturers with physical advantages that are just bigger and faster than the average and often fail to develop going forward in AFL - we have had experience with this type of high draft pick early and they just don't improve much really..

but as fort pick #1 hmmmm interesting that in recent times - we have had Naicos ( standout best pick #1 ) JHF ( IMO standout ready to go gun) and this year that bloke who will end up at WC or cost Norfs pick 2and 3....Walsh before them...same....

maybe professionalism standards are now way more developed for aspiring young players and the best of them have already been on years of diet/training/strengthening and therefore are lower risk....maybe explains the ready to go AFL players like Naicos/JHF/Walsh etc.. maybe those rare kids understand that if they want to guarantee selection they have to be ready to go AFL standard and they work to it..

still generally speaking I think drafting is very much a lottery, especially after the first 5-7 ish...
 
carlton_99 said:
I still think it's very low risk. He would cost pretty much nothing you would think in trade value and salary. Even if he played 0 games just having him around to help with the development of the forward would be significant.

It's obviously very unlikely with the reports saying he wants to go to Hawthorn but I really don't see ant downside to the move
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He would cost a list position when in reality, he’s in superannuation mode …
 
carlton_99 said:
I still think it's very low risk. He would cost pretty much nothing you would think in trade value and salary. Even if he played 0 games just having him around to help with the development of the forward would be significant.

It's obviously very unlikely with the reports saying he wants to go to Hawthorn but I really don't see ant downside to the move
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His contract next year is 500k. And he takes a list position.
He's had it.
 
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