Free kick differential

[Mackay train12]

Got the paper today and saw that the crows are 16th when it comes to the free kick differential

We are 2nd to top for free kicks against and 14th for free kicks for

which leaves us with a differential of -22 the worst of any club in the competition


This seems to be a common trend over the last few years and the question I ask are we really getting slaughtered by umpires or is it our inablity to adapt to new rules and clumsiness on the field

 

[Riggy1]

so -1.83 a game?
pffft, nothing, you're attempting to make something a bigger topic than it really is

 

[Glenno23]

so -1.83 a game?
pffft, nothing, you're attempting to make something a bigger topic than it really is

That's an average

Some games will be 25-11 against us, sometimes we get a 20-9 for us.

In the end, all this proves is that it evens itself out in the long run, you just gotta hope that the ones against you aren't at a critical time.

Or inconsistant. For example with 2 mins left in the North game, we lay a tackle after the North player had a clear chance to handball, yet no HTB. Dougie takes possession, gets tackled straight away and its HTB. Thats a swing of 2 just there in the space of 5 seconds

We should have been 1 for, as opposed to 1 against.

 

[dplggr47]

if they did a statistic on the HTB free kicks, i'm sure Adelaide will have the most for FAs.

 

[RoosterLad]

Sometimes it is because the umps are shit/biased towards a particular team but a lot of the time we concede more free kicks because we are shit. If you are consistantly second to the ball you will rarely get rewarded apart from the poxy holding the ball rule.

 

[Harris Pilton]

If you are consistantly second to the ball you will rarely get rewarded apart from the poxy holding the ball rule.

I think we're first to the ball more often than not. I see more frees against for HTB than for anything else.

Yes, I agree that it seems pretty softc-ck to wail about the umps, but I can't avoid the conclusion that we regularly get reamed.

I'd be very interested to see the halftime stats, since the maggots usually try to even up in the second half. However, if you try your heart out and are in arrears by 5 goals at halftime, it totally guts a side and it's hard to maintain momentum.

This was particularly noticeable in the Hawks game and the Saints game. If we'd had a fair shake in those games, we would have been defending a lead rather than playing catch-up in the last quarter.

 

[King Elvis]

Sometimes it is because the umps are shit/biased towards a particular team but a lot of the time we concede more free kicks because we are shit. If you are consistantly second to the ball you will rarely get rewarded apart from the poxy holding the ball rule.

We've been r*ped by the Umpires this year.

Our shitness has made it less of an issue, but we're constantly on the wrong end of ball calls.

 

[pjcrows]

1991 Board.

 

[SugarShane]

if they did a statistic on the HTB free kicks, i'm sure Adelaide will have the most for FAs.

The OP is mistaken. The story in the Tiser today was in regards to HTB frees only, not frees over all.

 

[AdelUniCrowFan]

if they did a statistic on the HTB free kicks, i'm sure Adelaide will have the most for FAs.

The actual article was about Holding The Ball Statistics not about overall free kicks as the opening post suggested.

HTB Against: Hawthorn 70, Adelaide 64, Melbourne 57, Richmond 55, Sydney 55, Port 52, Fremantle 50, St Kilda 49, North 48, West Coast 47, Carlton 46, Geelong 46, Essendon 45, Brisbane 35, Bulldogs 27, Collingwood 24

HTB For: Melbourne 57, Fremantle 56, Essendon 53, Carlton 51, North 51, Port 51, Hawthorn 50, Sydney 50, Geelong 48, Collingwood 47, West Coast 47, Richmond 44, St Kilda 44, Adelaide 42, Brisbane 42, Bulldogs 37.

HTB Differential: Collingwood +23, Bulldogs +10, Essendon +8, Brisbane +7, Fremantle +6, Carlton +5, North +3, Geelong +2, Melbourne 0, West Coast 0, Port -1, St Kilda -5, Sydney -5, Richmond -11, Hawthorn -20, Adelaide -22.

Who's Doing The Catching: C. Rioli 10, L. Hayes 9, J. McDonald 8, P. Duffield 8, N. Lovett-Murray 7, L. Montagna 7, J. Bolton 6, J. Kennedy (WC) 6, J. Russell 6, T. Varcoe 6, T. Banfield 5, L. Davis 5, M. Doughty 5, R. Douglas 5, A. Edwards 5, L. Hodge 5, M. Mattner 5, D. Morris 5, M. Priddis 5, J. Redden 5, P. Ryder 5, S. Sidebottom 5.

Who's Being Caught: B. Sewell 10, B. Moloney 9, L. Hodge 8, R. O'Keefe 8, J. Petrenko 8, B. Reilly 8, D. Cassisi 7, J. Kennedy (Sy) 7, A. Schneider 7, G. Ablett 6, C. Dempsey 6, R. Douglas 6, J. King 6, A. Mackie 6, D. Martin 6, S. Milne 6, S. Salopek 6, S. Selwood 6, A. Swallow 6, T. Boak 5, M. Cook 5, D. Rodan 5.

On The Rise (to R12): 2000: 471 / 2001: 411 / 2002: 296 / 2003: 332 / 2004: 278 / 2005: 494 / 2006: 533 / 2007: 643 / 2008: 667 / 2009: 752 / 2010: 770

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We can't lay a tackle so we don't get many HTBs for. We can't dodge or break any tackles so we get lots of HTBs against. And the few times we do tackle properly, the umps f___ us.

2010 =

 

[Peter Doherty]

Who's Being Caught: B. Sewell 10, B. Moloney 9, L. Hodge 8, R. O'Keefe 8, J. Petrenko 8, B. Reilly 8, D. Cassisi 7, J. Kennedy (Sy) 7, A. Schneider 7, G. Ablett 6, C. Dempsey 6, R. Douglas 6, J. King 6, A. Mackie 6, D. Martin 6, S. Milne 6, S. Salopek 6, S. Selwood 6, A. Swallow 6, T. Boak 5, M. Cook 5, D. Rodan 5.

Van Berlo was excluded from these stats? Some weird Van Berlo rule I'm not aware of?

How often does he just sit on the ball? I'm sick of it, you just know he's gonna get pinged but he still does it.

I'd love to see someone record stats on free's not given that should have been and also ones given to the opposition which shouldn't have been.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd like two stats:

1) The Mystery Frees
The ones where there's a whistle and the players from both teams both stare blankly at the umpire wondering what on earth has just happened

2) The Other Zone Umpire Frees
The ones where the non-officiating umpire comes rushing in having spotted an indiscretion from 65m away that the umpire 5m away hadn't

I've kept an unoffical tally since 1991 (except for a brief period during Ayers reign when I was overseas) and by my count we are behind in Mystery Frees 7 to 388 and behind in Other Zone Umpire Frees 0 to 1254.

 

[Tas]

Crows have been averaging 67.4 tackles per game (16th) and have been tackled 78.6 per game (4th highest) so the differential in terms of tackles is not great.

That would probably help explain a bit why there is such a difference. Tackles are a big source of free kicks both for and against.

 

[jenny61_99]

For me the biggest issue are the frees that DON'T get paid to us. Clearly, these don't appear in stats anywhere.

 

[King Elvis]

Forget about us, the HTB rule is totally ****ed at the moment (kinda like your Sunshine Square proposal), and it's ruining the game.

Look at those increases over the last decade, that's crap.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

For me the biggest issue are the frees that DON'T get paid to us. Clearly, these don't appear in stats anywhere.

Agreed! Many a tv remote control has bitten the dust in my house due to these. Surely the umpires are liable somehow?

 

[Butts_JZZ30]

To get free kicks we have to actually win the ball in a contested situation

 

[cammo6556]

It's not so much the amount, it's the ridiculousness of the frees paid. Last match for example, it was about 15-2 in the second quarter, including what IMO were several atrocious frees against. I swear the umps at half time realized that they were favouring one side heavily and went about levelling the
count inthe second half by paying tiggy touchwood frees and frees that had no bearing on the game itself.

Ledger balanced by games end and no statistical evidence to indicate the ineptitude of the umpires

 

[jenny61_99]

Agreed! Many a tv remote control has bitten the dust in my house due to these. Surely the umpires are liable somehow?

I've never felt that there was an element of "cheating" so much as I did last week. Actually, make that specifically the last two times a certain umpire has umpired us (St Kilda being the other game). Is it coincidence that in both of those games we got blown away in the final quarter? The umpiring wasn't any worse than the rest of the game, but the damage had been done by then. The constant - ridiculous - htb decisions against us when there was clearly no prior opportunity is infuriating. But, like I said, the single most frustrating thing is the number of blatant free kicks that we should win, but don't. There's been lots of games before where umpires have missed some obvious frees - but it's not had a great impact on the outcome of the game because it's gone both ways. Frees missed (or paid) at crucial times can, and do, have an impact on the momentum of a game.

For those saying we don't get frees because we are always second to the ball - the stats showing how many HTB decisions against us prove you wrong.

 

[Allefgib]

I've never felt that there was an element of "cheating" so much as I did last week. Actually, make that specifically the last two times a certain umpire has umpired us (St Kilda being the other game). Is it coincidence that in both of those games we got blown away in the final quarter? The umpiring wasn't any worse than the rest of the game, but the damage had been done by then. The constant - ridiculous - htb decisions against us when there was clearly no prior opportunity is infuriating. But, like I said, the single most frustrating thing is the number of blatant free kicks that we should win, but don't. There's been lots of games before where umpires have missed some obvious frees - but it's not had a great impact on the outcome of the game because it's gone both ways. Frees missed (or paid) at crucial times can, and do, have an impact on the momentum of a game.

For those saying we don't get frees because we are always second to the ball - the stats showing how many HTB decisions against us prove you wrong.

You're willing to accept umpires actually cheat but won't hear a bad word said about our clubs inner workings?

I'm flabbergasted. Really.

Look there have been some shocking decisions but I must admit I would besuprised if 'said umpire' got busted for cheating.

I would be far less suprised if some of the rumours that Craigy has 'lost' the younger players came out as true and Craigy walked at the end of the year. Or the club did a review and realised they needed to change leaderhip techniques or training regimes etc.

 

[WALL-e]

Just drop the ball when tackled, apparently it's not a free against anymore....

**** it, just throw the ball forwards.

 

[cammo6556]

Just drop the ball when tackled, apparently it's not a free against anymore....

**** it, just throw the ball forwards.

Jordan lewis style?

 

[WALL-e]

Forget about us, the HTB rule is totally ****ed at the moment (kinda like your Sunshine Square proposal), and it's ruining the game.

Look at those increases over the last decade, that's crap.

I've taken the initiative to abuse umpires before they pay it, at Crows games as well as others.

When they start circling the pack, I'll stand and threaten (ooh scary stuff) them waves fists like no tommorow.

They'll then squat in which case I release my bowls from my mouth unleashing a verbal tyrade that would summon a golgothen.

Whistle to the mouth and he finishes his little precision act and then the rest of the crowd join in and we abuse them in chorus.

Seriously, everything I was taught as a junior is now wrong.

Get in there hard and first and you'll get the ball or a free....now you get a concussion, a sore rectum from all the rape you get and a free against for making the play, whilst a cheap seagull tackler will circle the ball until you get it and jump on your back.

I understand the ethic of dragging it in, or diving on it, they're negetive plays. But those who get there first and are just trying to pick it up while 3 guys jump on you.....

ARHRHRHR

 

[rooboy]

I have watched a couple of our bad losses a second time when I've calmed down, and have noticed that we do have players that dive on the ball or go to ground with the ball. The glaring difference, is Dangerfield who always holds his feet, and even though he gets wrapped up, the umps never pay holding the ball against him.

Players like Dougie, Cook, Van Berlo, Doughty and Reilly dive on the ball repeatedly.

I think we do get screwed by the umps as well, but I reckon all of our players need to watch Dangerfield and the way he tries to get the ball, not diving on it, but keeping his feet.