Future FF?

[Dave The Man]

I reckon we have 3 young good Players that can become our FF once Rooca Goes and they are:

Dawes: Shown that he could be one of the best Contested Marks in the league in a season or 2. Biggest out of the 3 players so he can hit packs hard and can bring in cumbers. Kicking for goal is okay but can be not so good too.

Rusling: The Oldest and most Interesting one we got. His Weapon he has is how fast he can lead. He can create space between himself and his defender so he can take a Uncontested Mark on the lead. He is Goal Kicking is okay

Reid: He is an Interesting one because he weapon he has is how athletic he can move and how good he is below his knees. So if he drops a mark or gets not so good delivery he can still get the football by himself. Reid big problem is a shocking kick for goal at the momentum.

Very interesting on who will it be.

What do you reckon?

 

[DeZi]

Dawes: Looks good but needs to bulk up and show that he can get over the yips (in kicking)

Rusling: Love the kid but can he go one season without getting injured? If he was 100% fit right now he would be showing us how talented he is, but I feel that we will never see that day

Reid: Still a bit suspect, his best is awesome but his worst is awful. I think it will either come down to him or Dawes, might even go with both as Reid is athletic and can double up with Cloke (or one of em can drop back defensively)

 

[Smoky]

Rusling and Dawes in a 2 pronged attack.

Reid - I still cant see what any of the fuss is about.

 

[thatsitthere]

lets be honest here...dawes has played one game...cant say much yet...for me it wood be rus out of full forward reid in a pocket with trav CHF swapping with reid...both reid n cloke are very athletis and move very well can u imagin to CHFs doin that no team will be able to stop it...

so:

FF davis rus reid
hf thomas cloke didak/medurst

 

[Anth_5]

lets be honest here...dawes has played one game...cant say much yet...for me it wood be rus out of full forward reid in a pocket with trav CHF swapping with reid...both reid n cloke are very athletis and move very well can u imagin to CHFs doin that no team will be able to stop it...

so:

FF davis rus reid
hf thomas cloke didak/medurst

Don't think Thomas will be playing forward much anymore,
just reckon he is at home in the midfield. =]

 

[Pie eyed]

I reckon we have 3 young good Players that can become our FF once Rooca Goes and they are:

Dawes: Shown that he could be one of the best Contested Marks in the league in a season or 2. Biggest out of the 3 players so he can hit packs hard and can bring in cumbers. Kicking for goal is okay but can be not so good too.

Rusling: The Oldest and most Interesting one we got. His Weapon he has is how fast he can lead. He can create space between himself and his defender so he can take a Uncontested Mark on the lead. He is Goal Kicking is okay

Reid: He is an Interesting one because he weapon he has is how athletic he can move and how good he is below his knees. So if he drops a mark or gets not so good delivery he can still get the football by himself. Reid big problem is a shocking kick for goal at the momentum.

Very interesting on who will it be.

What do you reckon?

I reckon you have forgotten someone.....Jack Anthony.
I am not positive but I would venture he is the best performed first year forward we have had for a damned long time, even more notable because he is supposedly a back.
Averaging 2.1 only behind Medhurst this season on 47.20 from 19 games (2.2 av), (237.153 from 135 games (1.8 av) career).

Rocca has 16.10 from 8 games this year (418.284 from 238 games (1.7 av)career), Anthony has 15.3 from 7 games so I think he certainly needs to be in the mix in any discussion on future forwards.
Just for accuracy Reid has 2.6 from 6 (0.3 av), Rusling has 19.18 from 17 (1.1 av), Cloke 82.88 from 73 games (1.1 av) and just to be completely thorough Chris Tarrant 355.260 from 198 (1.8 av)

 

[mdc]

I reckon you have forgotten someone.....Jack Anthony.

Agreed.

Dawes looks most likely to me, but JA has certainly shown more than either Rusling or Reid. And he seems to be a genuinely aggressive footballer, which is something we definitely lack outside a few guys.

 

[Pie eyed]

Agreed.

Dawes looks most likely to me, but JA has certainly shown more than either Rusling or Reid. And he seems to be a genuinely aggressive footballer, which is something we definitely lack outside a few guys.

I am trying to work out who (which former player) he reminds me of...
I have certainly seen that attack on the ball before...even his gate is familiar.

 

[Vampire013]

Even though he has played only one game, I think Dawes looked more dangerous than Reid. He is a much stronger mark.
Reid will be more of a Tarrant type.
I think we can fit Reid, Rusling, Dawes and Travis in the forward line.
Rusling and Reid have speed and height while the other 2 have the bulk.
The marking power there would create a lot of headaches. Not to mention Medhurst, Davis and Didak if he stays.
I have not mentioned JA because we do not know if he will stay in forward line.
We just need Dawes and Reid to mature and Rusling to stop kicking black cats which is causing all his injuries.

 

[adzarani]

JA is our leading goalkicker since coming into the side.

An accurate set shot KP player is one of the rarest commodities in leauge football.

His delivery by foot is 1st class and he has the ability to play small.

He is our most exciting KPP prospect, but because he plays with so much composure, he is not babied like the others.

JA is seen more as a finished product rather than the developing kid who has played half a dozen games that he is.

Once he learns to position himself at AFL level he will kick 80+ goals in a season, hopefully in the B&W

Dawes seems to have an awesome pair of dukes, but appears to be very much in the Cloke mould in terms of the rest of his game. Hopefully he can go one better and hurt teams regularly on the scoreboard.

Rusling is a natural FF prospect, but his style of play demands pinpoint delivery, which may limit his effectiveness. Was unlucky this year, it was a brutal collision against Freo.

Reid should not be limited to forward play imo, we should look at him as a utility player, give him some freedom. Has bulked up a bit of late, but his speed would most likley be wasted out of the goalsquare given his set shot ability.

Wood is someone I would be looking at to anchor the goalsquare if he can get his kicking sorted out, he has solid technique but tends to crap himself a tad at leauge level. He is brilliant overhead, and times his leads well. Has been tried numerous times this year, but his kicking let him down. Could be Salmon-like if he develops as a forward.

Cloke, as unlikley as my opinion may be, should be moved down back. Could be an elite defender, but will never be an elite forward.

Alot of out future forward structure will depend on our midfield development and rebuilding agenda in general.

 

[King Woodie]

Excellent post, although I don't think Cloke will or should be moved back.

You have forgotten Macaffer, and I am interested in exploring this. He seems a solid to good 3rd tall forward at VFL level. If we compare him to Rusling (his most obvious competitor for game time going forward) i would suggest he is the better all round footballer (better skills, better below his knees, less of a one-trick pony, better hands, better shot for goal) but doesn't have the top line weapon that Rusler has (absolute speed).

I think we could trade Rusling to get a better crack at midfield talent, because we have depth in the 3rd tall department. We could package this up wth Didak (two south aussies) to pry Port's number 3 pick (and possibly something else) and potentially get Rich, Hartlett, or Ziebel, as well as keep our first rounder and possibly get Sidebottom or Swift.

That would bring in two quality youg mids at the cost of Didak (who is gone anyway) and a talented forward of whom we have surplus.

 

[pocketrocket#24]

rusling, didak, & our 1st rounder for port's pick 3 & salopek??

 

[lyfsux]

This thread is all about our forward line and nobody has mentioned J Brown
This is the main reason why I think we dont need him because of the talent (potential it may be) we have got coming through and the need for midfielders to deliver the ball to these forwards.
We could have Fev, Buddy, Brown, Hudson, Taylor, McKenna in the forward line and still struggle to kick goals with our disposal from the midfield

 

[Skade]

JA is our leading goalkicker since coming into the side.

An accurate set shot KP player is one of the rarest commodities in leauge football.

His delivery by foot is 1st class and he has the ability to play small.

He is our most exciting KPP prospect, but because he plays with so much composure, he is not babied like the others.

JA is seen more as a finished product rather than the developing kid who has played half a dozen games that he is.

Once he learns to position himself at AFL level he will kick 80+ goals in a season, hopefully in the B&W

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Huge call, but geez I hope your right.

 

[pendles]

Definitely Dawes Dave.

 

[thatsitthere]

JA is our leading goalkicker since coming into the side.

An accurate set shot KP player is one of the rarest commodities in leauge football.

His delivery by foot is 1st class and he has the ability to play small.

He is our most exciting KPP prospect, but because he plays with so much composure, he is not babied like the others.

JA is seen more as a finished product rather than the developing kid who has played half a dozen games that he is.

Once he learns to position himself at AFL level he will kick 80+ goals in a season, hopefully in the B&W

Dawes seems to have an awesome pair of dukes, but appears to be very much in the Cloke mould in terms of the rest of his game. Hopefully he can go one better and hurt teams regularly on the scoreboard.

Rusling is a natural FF prospect, but his style of play demands pinpoint delivery, which may limit his effectiveness. Was unlucky this year, it was a brutal collision against Freo.

Reid should not be limited to forward play imo, we should look at him as a utility player, give him some freedom. Has bulked up a bit of late, but his speed would most likley be wasted out of the goalsquare given his set shot ability.

Wood is someone I would be looking at to anchor the goalsquare if he can get his kicking sorted out, he has solid technique but tends to crap himself a tad at leauge level. He is brilliant overhead, and times his leads well. Has been tried numerous times this year, but his kicking let him down. Could be Salmon-like if he develops as a forward.

Cloke, as unlikley as my opinion may be, should be moved down back. Could be an elite defender, but will never be an elite forward.

Alot of out future forward structure will depend on our midfield development and rebuilding agenda in general.

where did u see reid of late??? he will be our main forward...beter than JA he is typically not a forward doesnt know where to lead most of his goals hav been crumbed or out on his own with no1 on him...no straight down the line marks..which rusling, cloke and reid have done,,,dawes also has shown he can mark on the lead more than JA ( he will be backman )

 

[mdc]

where did u see reid of late??? he will be our main forward...beter than JA he is typically not a forward doesnt know where to lead most of his goals hav been crumbed or out on his own with no1 on him...no straight down the line marks..which rusling, cloke and reid have done,,,dawes also has shown he can mark on the lead more than JA ( he will be backman )

What rubbish. In terms of knowing where and when to lead, JA has been head and shoulders above the other 3. He may not have the blinding speed of Rusling or Reid, nor the massive frame of Dawes, but he leads well and he's got a great set of hands.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

If Rusling stays he will be FF with Dawes standing next to him. Macaffer next season will be down there as well and he is probably the most exciting out of all of them

 

[pocketrocket#24]

If Rusling stays he will be FF with Dawes standing next to him. Macaffer next season will be down there as well and he is probably the most exciting out of all of them

yeh right so along with rocca and cloke we'll be playing a 4-5 tall fwd line.
get real guys, every single player who looks a bit exciting can't play in the 1 fwd line. 3 talls at best up there.
rocca and cloke have 2 spots - rus, reid, dawes, and JA are fighting for the other one at the moment. thats not to say ja and or reid may not play in defense for example but geez we can't play them all alongside each other despite a heap of guys on hear saying 'but it will make us UNSTOPPABLE'.......

 

[Primetime Pricey]

yeh right so along with rocca and cloke we'll be playing a 4-5 tall fwd line.
get real guys, every single player who looks a bit exciting can't play in the 1 fwd line. 3 talls at best up there.
rocca and cloke have 2 spots - rus, reid, dawes, and JA are fighting for the other one at the moment. thats not to say ja and or reid may not play in defense for example but geez we can't play them all alongside each other despite a heap of guys on hear saying 'but it will make us UNSTOPPABLE'.......

Rocca wont be there next season and Reid isnt that good, shvery over-hyped.
Anthony is meant to be a defender but is doing the job at the moment up there and i wouldnt classify Anthony as a tall either.
So your talls would be Dawes, Cloke and Rusling if u call him a tall.

 

[shawthing09]

What rubbish. In terms of knowing where and when to lead, JA has been head and shoulders above the other 3. He may not have the blinding speed of Rusling or Reid, nor the massive frame of Dawes, but he leads well and he's got a great set of hands.

That is in essence what I mean by not having the weapons. His hands are good but not spectacular, he doesn't have the pace to burn people on the lead or the body to out do them one on one.

I te nd to agree with the guy saying a lot of his kicks have been out on his own, free kicks from defensive pressure or getting it off the deck or on his own in general play, I'd be intrested to see his marks and contested marks for the games his played.

Which is why I'd say his a 3rd tall option up foward and a good prospect down back, it's a lot easier to punch it then it is to hold it (although the rules are changing that a fair bit.)

 

[pocketrocket#24]

Rocca wont be there next season and Reid isnt that good, shvery over-hyped.
Anthony is meant to be a defender but is doing the job at the moment up there and i wouldnt classify Anthony as a tall either.
So your talls would be Dawes, Cloke and Rusling if u call him a tall.

hmmm, id bet u a weeks wage that rocca will be there next yr and will without a doubt be an automatic selection in round 1 - whether his form keeps him in all year is another thing but he will get first crack.
reid hasn't shown alot yet i agree, but is highly rated and has been groomed for a key fwd spot. the way anthony is going at the moment i doubt he'll be moved back, also his dimensions are identical to presty's so to say he's not a tall is silly. he is versatile can play tall or medium.
u mentioned macaffer aswell, he's not huge but plays the role of a tall - similar to rusling in the hit up mould.
thats 6 right there. only room for 3.
to start 09, rocca, cloke and JA for me. dawes can only really cement a spot when the roc goes and that may be mid next year, it may be 2010.
i reckon JA is more dangerous than 1 dimensional rusling, who i would trade with didak back to SA.
try reid at CHB as he played a lot of juniors there, just let him get kicks for a while. maccafer only if unjuries occur, but should be elevated

 

[thatsitthere]

Rocca wont be there next season and Reid isnt that good, shvery over-hyped.
Anthony is meant to be a defender but is doing the job at the moment up there and i wouldnt classify Anthony as a tall either.
So your talls would be Dawes, Cloke and Rusling if u call him a tall.

our kidding arnt u \??? reid is good,,,played 6 games how cna he be oer hyped if anythi people bag him more than toove on here...will be a player for collingwood for 13 years to come...and anthny ur right isnt a tall...but will be a very good defenderr god ur all so stupid

 

[thatsitthere]

hmmm, id bet u a weeks wage that rocca will be there next yr and will without a doubt be an automatic selection in round 1 - whether his form keeps him in all year is another thing but he will get first crack.
reid hasn't shown alot yet i agree, but is highly rated and has been groomed for a key fwd spot. the way anthony is going at the moment i doubt he'll be moved back, also his dimensions are identical to presty's so to say he's not a tall is silly. he is versatile can play tall or medium.
u mentioned macaffer aswell, he's not huge but plays the role of a tall - similar to rusling in the hit up mould.
thats 6 right there. only room for 3.
to start 09, rocca, cloke and JA for me. dawes can only really cement a spot when the roc goes and that may be mid next year, it may be 2010.
i reckon JA is more dangerous than 1 dimensional rusling, who i would trade with didak back to SA.
try reid at CHB as he played a lot of juniors there, just let him get kicks for a while. maccafer only if unjuries occur, but should be elevated

reid didnt play bak alot only ever plyed there at under 16s carnival for one game...im from queensland so i saw that game...

 

[mdc]

That is in essence what I mean by not having the weapons. His hands are good but not spectacular, he doesn't have the pace to burn people on the lead or the body to out do them one on one.

I tend to agree with the guy saying a lot of his kicks have been out on his own, free kicks from defensive pressure or getting it off the deck or on his own in general play, I'd be intrested to see his marks and contested marks for the games his played.

Which is why I'd say his a 3rd tall option up foward and a good prospect down back, it's a lot easier to punch it then it is to hold it (although the rules are changing that a fair bit.)

A lot of what you say is sensible, and as I said earlier in the thread, Dawes is the one that looks most likely. I was just responding to a particular statement.

As far as having one weapon goes, it's certainly handy, but it's not enough. JA is a player that seems to have very few weaknesses (other than decision-making), whilst Reid and Rusling both have lots of glaring holes in their games. They may improve their deficiencies significantly, in which case they may overtake JA, but at the moment, I would not select either, even if they were healthy. Anthony, on the other hand, is comfortably in the 22.