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Whilst I have been thoroughly enjoying our amazing success over the past couple of seasons, a nagging concern I have always had has been how we will replace our older stars as they retire. This has come up from time to time on this board and the response has been that we can simply bring in Shem, Heatherly and other VFL youngsters. The problem here is that we, like all clubs, are overly optimistic about our young unproven players but there is no guarantee that these players will even make it at AFL level, let alone replace the champions we will farewell.

HOWEVER, Hawthorn has again demonstrated to me that their professionalism and planning has come an incredibly long way in the last decade (and IMO is pretty much unrivalled). Our 3 most imminent retirements look likely to be Brian Lake (33 y.o), David Hale and Brad Sewell. These guys, particularly the first two, play positions that are very difficult to replace (young players take a lot of time in these roles). Yet, we have Ceglar ready to go to replace Hale, Langford has already replaced Sewell and Frawley looks set to replace Lake. 3 key retirements and I'm not sure we'll even be weakened! That really is amazing, especially in this day and age (18 teams, poor draft picks, etc)

The next wave will be in the midfield - Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne are 30+. However, our outside players are now proven with Hill, Smith and Hartung to deputise. On the inside, Lewis has shown he can be the main man, Langford has emeged and Shiels remains a good foot soldier. In terms of additions to the team, Whitecross and Anderson are still to return and Woodward and Hallahan appear to be the best midfielders in the VFL. Whilst there are no guarantees from this lot, Mitch/Hodge/Silk look good for at least another season or two and with Hawthorn's efficiency in replacing the aforementioned players (Lake, Hale, Sewell) I am much more confident that we can do the same thing to ensure our midfiled remains strong and our team remains a premiership threat for years to come. Hopefully it all pans out - it really is great to be a supporter of this Super club.
 
I think we now need to start planning for a replacement of Roughy. The big man still has a solid 5 years left in him, but our focus should shift to him. I guess the idea is O'Brien, but I would like to see a second prospect. Sicily looks good, but he isnt a KPF.
 
5 years is a long time to groom someone and have them turn into a FA when they are ready.
Hodge Mitchell Burgoyne replacements are more pressing while keeping an eye out for a mobile goal kicking gorilla
 
Yeah you only need one really good draft to completely change the perceived health of a list.

Harry Dear is certainly a Roughie replacement so he should be a good pick up.

I just think we keep drafting a mix of players and exploring the state leagues.

In Wright I Trust !!
 

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Very happy with the forward planning

TOB & Sicily in forward half
Litherland & Frawley in back half
Lowden in ruck though we are likely to lose him
Hartung in outside mids
Anderson & Langford inside mids

Jono O'rouke would be a great pick up to play a HBF/mid role

We need to replace Sewell/Mitchell/Burgoyne/Hodge over the next 3 years - this is the focus - hopefully we already have one of them in Anderson
 
Shoey and TOB are the current candidates to replace roughy. Obviously a lot of water to go under the bridge before we have his role covered. Sciliy and Anderson along with Whitecross will hopefully come into play next year with Litherland also an AFL stadard player playing at Box Hill. If we add O'Rourke and then we have another guy who can come in and play next year who should be ready to take over a more senior role in a couple of years time.
 
2016 onwards doesn't look very good. I agree with OP that people are over-rating the VFL depth. Not all of them are successfully going to step in and replace our guns. Heck we'd be doing well if 50% of Woody, Hallahan, Anderson, Brand, Litherland, Shem, Heatherley, Webster, Sicily, O'Brien, Kelly work out.

These 7 players need to be replaced: Lake, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Gibson, Hale, Hodge.

Lake - Frawley (in turn Spangher and Brand to replace his spot)
Mitchell - Hallahan? (or Woodward/Anderson)
Burgoyne - ?
Sewell - Langford
Gibson - Litherland (or Spangher?)
Hodge - ?
Hale - Ceglar (Grimley?)

So there seems to be a succession for some players but Burger and Hodge are going to be hard to replace, there's no one on our list that can immediately replace them; good midfielders who can move around the ground. Woodward and Hallahan are inside mids, with Anderson possible an in/out midfielder but there's no versatility shown yet there.

Might do a depth chart later.
 
FWIW (not much) 12 months ago I done a depth chart and identified the following needs and my priority for the future in order was :

1) KPD to replace Lake - Frawley.
2) 2nd ruck/forward role to replace Hale - McEvoy & Ceglar alternating.
3) Gun young midfielder - Langford.

We're tracking beautifully.
 
50 million, 79 acres.
Stay tuned.

What mate?

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We’re already in a position to replace 4 of the 7 players that supporters, opposition supporters and media commentators thought were going to result in a massive drop off in the quality of Hawthorn.
Unbelievable really.

Sewell - Langford

Gibson - Stratton (who is replaced by Litherland)

Hale - Ceglar

Lake - Frawley
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The next 3 unfortunately are arguably the most important players on our list though. Hodge is the greatest leader on a football field since Voss. Mitchell is the best player I’ve ever seen play for Hawthorn and Burgoyne is a game winning utility that has single handedly dragged us to a grand final.

Burgoyne - ?

I personally think that Lachlan Weller in the upcoming draft would make a very good Burgoyne replacement. Midfielder with outrageous vision and skills that can play inside and outside.
We’d have to somehow upgrade our pick in the draft to 12-15, and I’d rather we did that than trade for O’Rourke.

Hodge - ?
Mitchell - ?

Can they even be replaced?

We have fantastic potential in Jed Anderson, and he can pretty much become whatever he wants, but he’s seemingly a little injury prone and the pressure on him already to step up is already ginormous. He and Woody are probably the closest on our list to replace Sam, but bloody hell, what an ask.

Whitecross is a great leader and is probably our best shout at replacing Hodge, as well as Liam Shiels (it’s going to be great to see him let off the chain ala Jordan Lewis was this year).
 

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It's great that Hill and Langford out of the young mids have really come along. Hopefully Anderson/Hallahan/Woodward/Hartung/Litherland start seeing more time in the side.

That on paper looks like a very strong group of young mids/HB flanker types.
 
I cant help but worry about the next hit our club will take with free agency.

What about when a club goes after Bruest, Birchall, Roughie, Lewis, etc. with a contract thats just too good to refuse.

Its gonna hurt ...... times have changed.

i suppose we just need to accept it and the club needs to take advantage of it with the knowledge we'll take a hit too from time to time.
 
Hodge - ?
Mitchell - ?

Can they even be replaced?


We have fantastic potential in Jed Anderson, and he can pretty much become whatever he wants, but he’s seemingly a little injury prone and the pressure on him already to step up is already ginormous. He and Woody are probably the closest on our list to replace Sam, but bloody hell, what an ask.

Whitecross is a great leader and is probably our best shout at replacing Hodge, as well as Liam Shiels (it’s going to be great to see him let off the chain ala Jordan Lewis was this year).

Their specific skills and capabilities cannot be replaced. But I honestly believe Shiels will make part of the step into the breach they leave. Statistics show Shiels has had his best season to date (highest av. disposals & tackles) - beating his previous bests in 2011. He will provide part of the answer - especially due to him being a young leader of our club.
 
I cant help but worry about the next hit our club will take with free agency.

What about when a club goes after Bruest, Birchall, Roughie, Lewis, etc. with a contract thats just too good to refuse.

Its gonna hurt ...... times have changed.

i suppose we just need to accept it and the club needs to take advantage of it with the knowledge we'll take a hit too from time to time.

Rough will never leave. Lewis will never leave. Birch I'm 90% sure will stay. Breust is 60%. The only reason I put Breust as the most likely is that he could get an offer of mid-600s quite easily in this market and that would dwarf what Hawthorn could ever hope to offer. You only have to look at the money Daisy Thomas or Eddie Betts managed to get. Breust could easily have both of them covered career wise by the end of next year. Most teams in the comp would sign him for 600k if he was available right now.

I honestly think Rough and Lewis would just about play for free as long as they were out there together.
 
Breust will be one of the mids.

Also remember we have enquired after the likes of Cotchin, who could be easily accommodated from the retirements of such as hodge mitch or burger (hell I dont even like talking about it)

We can sacrifice a bit of depth to depth to gain some quality.

But the way those guys went this year, it far from a massive gamble to have them go round one more time
 
Their specific skills and capabilities cannot be replaced. But I honestly believe Shiels will make part of the step into the breach they leave. Statistics show Shiels has had his best season to date (highest av. disposals & tackles) - beating his previous bests in 2011. He will provide part of the answer - especially due to him being a young leader of our club.

Guy took a beating in the finals. Warrior

Stratton is the other under rated guy on our list
 

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Don't underestimate role of Mitchell, Lewis, Hodge in next 2 years before baton is passed on officially to Shiels, Hill, Bruest, Riolo Langford Whitecross, Anderson, Hartung - a formidable midfield lineup for the next 5+ years
 

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