Fyfe Forward

[ydraw]

What is the point? Just far to much risk!!!

The point is to win the premiership, which requires finishing somewhere in the top 4, preferably top 2. Which means we need to play our best key forward in every game.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Doesn't really matter who we play forward when we were ranked 14th for inside 50's per game. Which is pretty bad considering we were ranked 4th in total disposals per game. Probably why the focus has been on skills and ball movement. Our forwards don't get much of a chance to kick goals at the moment - moving our best midfielder forward to fix this seems counter intuitive.

To me this is indicative of a mode of play, not a personnel issue. We had what is recognised as one of the the best midfields in the league last year and were still ranked 14th for inside 50s. Reasons for this are many and varied, but I have often said our mids and even our forwards spend too much time in defense. How often do we see Fyfe, Mundy, Pavlich, Mayne, Walters or Ballantyne taking marks deep in the defensive 50.

Under Ross we have always had a defensive game plan, which results in low scores. In order to consistently achieve higher scores, we need to take more risks; risks in taking more attacking options out of our defense, and risks in moving personnel into more attacking positions.

Not suggesting we abandon our defense, which has made us a power the last few years. I do think you will see a slight move to less defensive player positioning and more attacking (and risky) options coming out of defense - ala Hawthorn or West Coast of last year. If we can do that AND maintain a solid defense we will be a better side.

 

[E Shed]

We can only take riskier options in transition if we have better kickers & decision makers using the ball. Hence Hill, Mundy, Sutty off half back & Walters up around the middle.
Elite pinpoint kicking to get through zones,webs, clusters. whatever the flavor of the month is, elite ball use is the answer.


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[blue shark]

No risk. No reward, so even with Fyfe in the midfield we are ranked 14th. Something needs to change.
We have been worked out by the better coaches, and our defensive mindset ensures we don't put teams
away, have a large enough buffer to close out games comfortably.

 

[meima]

Your can argue all you want , I think Ross already made up his decision putting fyfe more in the forward line, especially now fyfe get his brownlow ( normally only mid can get it), poor pav for the team good you sacrifice browlow.

 

[The Joker]

The point is to win the premiership, which requires finishing somewhere in the top 4, preferably top 2. Which means we need to play our best key forward in every game.

Oh Premierships, i would never have thought.

 

[meima]

Is that a joke ?
Sorry for my broken English.

 

[The Joker]

Is that a joke ?
Sorry for my broken English.

If you're talking to me then i wasnt talking to you, hence the quoted post, if not carry on...

 

[DudleyDocker]

If you're talking to me then i wasnt talking to you, hence the quoted post, if not carry on...

Oh, shit sorry - I read that post too. Didn't realize the quote meant it was private...

 

[The Joker]

Oh, shit sorry - I read that post too. Didn't realize the quote meant it was private...

No need to be a smartass, he said sorry for his broken english like he was talking to me when i wasnt.

 

[ydraw]

Oh Premierships, i would never have thought.

So you now understand what the point is? The point is to win games. Pavlich playing gives us the best chance to do that. We aren't going to be resting him in any games where the result is meaningful.

 

[The Joker]

So you now understand what the point is? The point is to win games. Pavlich playing gives us the best chance to do that. We aren't going to be resting him in any games where the result is meaningful.

Pavlich wont play every game this season, ill bet my house on that.

 

[meima]

Oh, shit sorry - I read that post too. Didn't realize the quote meant it was private...

Oops I did it again

 

[ydraw]

Pavlich wont play every game this season, ill bet my house on that.

He'll play every game he's fit for. He won't be rested unless we have an unassailable top 2 spot.

 

[The Joker]

He'll play every game he's fit for. He won't be rested unless we have an unassailable top 2 spot.

Is that a fact

 

[Halfbaked]

Pav will play if he is fit. Other seasons he has played when carrying injuries (as does everyone else ) . This season I think he will miss games that he could (would ) have played before.

 

[DudleyDocker]

No need to be a smartass, he said sorry for his broken english like he was talking to me when i wasnt.

Once more in English?

 

[The Joker]

Once more in English?

That's the best you can come up with?

 

[MadDocker]

Bricks at 10 paces?

 

[DudleyDocker]

That's the best you can come up with?

I could get into a battle of wits with you The Joker, but I never fight an unarmed guy

 

[The Joker]

I could get into a battle of wits with you The Joker, but I never fight an unarmed guy

You save yourself just for the woman?

 

[meima]

Once more in English?

You save yourself just for the woman?

Take a deep breath, it calm your mind.
Ready -
breathe in fyfe must play in mid
Breathe out fyfe cannot play forward.
Hope you feel much better now.

 

[stax on the mull]

Doesn't really matter who we play forward when we were ranked 14th for inside 50's per game. Which is pretty bad considering we were ranked 4th in total disposals per game. Probably why the focus has been on skills and ball movement. Our forwards don't get much of a chance to kick goals at the moment - moving our best midfielder forward to fix this seems counter intuitive.

14 out of 18 seems bad, but you'd think it would mean we would lose more games if that were the case. I don't know how bad it is. Sometimes more entries gives higher scores, and sometimes more entries means more wasteful. Compare Round 8 vs North Melbourne and Round 11 vs Gold Coast.

There were three games last year where we lost both the inside 50's and were beaten on the scoreboard, and one of those was against Port Adelaide in Round 23. The other two were against Hawthorn.

We won some games 6 out of 9 (6 out of 8 not including Port Adelaide) when we lost the inside 50 count. We lost 3 games when we won the inside 50 count.

Entries inside 50 per goal helps a little to understand the efficiency of scoring.

Maybe someone else can make better sense of the figures. Fremantle mentioned first in the numbers below.

VS..................In50.........Pts...........Entries per Goal
Port Adelaide... 58-42 W.. 75-68 W.........4.73
Geelong...........55-41 W.. 104-60 W........3.67
West Coast..... 52-39 W.. 111-81 W........3.06
Sydney.......... 39-47 L...... 74-60 W........3.54
Melbourne...... 59-39 W... 118-50 W........3.23
Essendon....... 43-45 L ..... 80-52 W........3.58
W Bulldogs..... 63-46 W.. 101-88 W........4.20
North Melb..... 45-46 L... 115-42 W........2.65
Adelaide........ 56-55 W.... 68-57 W........5.60
Richmond...... 45-36 W.... 70-97 L..........4.50
Gold Coast..... 53-27 W.... 53-46 W........8.83
Collingwood... 43-40 W.... 80-73 W........3.58
Brisbane........ 53-31 W.... 84-48 W........4.08
Hawthorn...... 38-54 L..... 43-115 L........6.33
Carlton......... 61-34 W..... 95-53 W........4.69
Richmond..... 41-52 L...... 82-78 W.........3.41
GWS............ 56-30 W..... 84-63 W.........4.67
St Kilda........ 44-45 L...... 96-59 W.........2.93
West Coast... 50-41 W..... 80-104 L.........4.54
North Melb... 53-44 W...... 83-94 L.........4.41
Melbourne.... 49-40 W.... 108-54 W........2.88
Port Adel...... .31-69 L..... 53-122 L.........3.88
Sydney........ 41-53 L...... 69-60 W.........4.10
Hawthorn..... 41-42 L....... 67-94 L.........4.10

 

[M_rash]

14 out of 18 seems bad, but you'd think it would mean we would lose more games if that were the case. I don't know how bad it is. Sometimes more entries gives higher scores, and sometimes more entries means more wasteful. Compare Round 8 vs North Melbourne and Round 11 vs Gold Coast.

There were three games last year where we lost both the inside 50's and were beaten on the scoreboard, and one of those was against Port Adelaide in Round 23. The other two were against Hawthorn.

We won some games 6 out of 9 (6 out of 8 not including Port Adelaide) when we lost the inside 50 count. We lost 3 games when we won the inside 50 count.

Entries inside 50 per goal helps a little to understand the efficiency of scoring.

Maybe someone else can make better sense of the figures. Fremantle mentioned first in the numbers below.

VS..................In50.........Pts...........Entries per Goal
Port Adelaide... 58-42 W.. 75-68 W.........4.73
Geelong...........55-41 W.. 104-60 W........3.67
West Coast..... 52-39 W.. 111-81 W........3.06
Sydney.......... 39-47 L...... 74-60 W........3.54
Melbourne...... 59-39 W... 118-50 W........3.23
Essendon....... 43-45 L ..... 80-52 W........3.58
W Bulldogs..... 63-46 W.. 101-88 W........4.20
North Melb..... 45-46 L... 115-42 W........2.65
Adelaide........ 56-55 W.... 68-57 W........5.60
Richmond...... 45-36 W.... 70-97 L..........4.50
Gold Coast..... 53-27 W.... 53-46 W........8.83
Collingwood... 43-40 W.... 80-73 W........3.58
Brisbane........ 53-31 W.... 84-48 W........4.08
Hawthorn...... 38-54 L..... 43-115 L........6.33
Carlton......... 61-34 W..... 95-53 W........4.69
Richmond..... 41-52 L...... 82-78 W.........3.41
GWS............ 56-30 W..... 84-63 W.........4.67
St Kilda........ 44-45 L...... 96-59 W.........2.93
West Coast... 50-41 W..... 80-104 L.........4.54
North Melb... 53-44 W...... 83-94 L.........4.41
Melbourne.... 49-40 W.... 108-54 W........2.88
Port Adel...... .31-69 L..... 53-122 L.........3.88
Sydney........ 41-53 L...... 69-60 W.........4.10
Hawthorn..... 41-42 L....... 67-94 L.........4.10

Totally agree that inside 50's don't tell the whole story. But I think a key take away could be made that our forwards actually do quite well given the limited supply. Im just not sure moving Fyfe forward is the answer to more goals.

I think Ross plays our forwards too far up the ground, and this in part accounts for our low inside 50 count, given we get plenty of the ball, but there's nobody home to kick to.

Ross' team defence has us in top 4 for defence, but he hasn't cracked the code to be top 4 offensively. So the question is - do we need to change our current game plan that got us the minor Premiership and pretty damn close to another GF (barring some terrible umpiring decisions and basic skill errors) OR are our recruits (Bennell mainly, maybe Yarran) and natural growth from within enough to cap off his master plan?

I think it'll be a little from column A, and a little from column B - no drastic changes to game plan - I don't see us being top 4 offensively, but hopefully we get better at restricting teams like Hawks & Eagles whilst having a few more X-factors capable of winning us these clutch games.

 

[The Joker]

I think Ross plays our forwards too far up the ground, and this in part accounts for our low inside 50 count, given we get plenty of the ball, but there's nobody home to kick to.

How many times do we get on a fast break on the wing aaaaaaannnnnnnd STOP because there is no one forward of the wing? Those are the times i just wish RTB would leave Sonny inside fifty one on one, he would win the ball 7 out of 10 times... ooh to dream....