List Mgmt. Fyfe - Signed until 2023!!

[Wally Walpamur]

One for the philosophers that one, but which is the more fearful statement anyway ?

A ...If Fyfe goes we are f*cked
B....If Fyfe breaks his leg again we are f*cked


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C....If Fyfe stays fit and healthy and regains his best form, he captains us to our first premiership when our next window opens

 

[tonygeeks]

It's not like he has osteoporosis and breaks something every time he falls over.

The recurrence was the result of being tackled onto the astroturf surrounding the ground and the subsequent shock going through the plate that they had left in his leg. It was a freak accident and there's no plate anymore anyway. He's no more likely to break his leg than anyone else in the team (besides maybe guys like Sherro who tend to stay out of harm's way).

Fair enough , I never argue with people who can spell 12 letter long medical conditions anyway


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[tonygeeks]

C....If Fyfe stays fit and healthy and regains his best form, he captains us to our first premiership when our next window opens

Not sure it meets the definition of a fearful statement but what the hell ... you go glass half full


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[mike91]

Deduction and deduction.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/042f166d325be7adc5782cce6d43230a

The second sentence is even "Fyfe, 25, has indicated to Dockers management his preference to stay in the west and turn down any rival free agency offer."

Fyfe has followed the same narrative from when initial contract speculation began which is towards the end of 2015 and into the start of 2016. He has not changed his stance, that being that it would be remiss of him not to explore free agency but that he sees his future at Fremantle.

The week that he comes out and says that a deal is close just happens to come soon after St Kilda announces they are not interested.

Is that because Fyfe and his management are conducting themselves with some sort of Honour and have informed clubs he is only dealing with Fremantle at the moment? Or are they saying that they are not interested in a 26 year old former Brownlow medallist, AFL MVP award winner, club B & F winner and someone with outstanding leadership potential because he has yet to hit his precious lofty Heights?

To be clear, I agree that Fyfe is not playing as well as he has. But bloody hell! He is still one of our top players after nearly 2 years out! He will get back to his best.

But my opinion is that St Kilda are conducting their recruitment strategy through the media, exactly the same way that North Melbourne are.

Why on earth would Fyfe leave Fremantle for St Kilda in the first place? WA born and bred, club captain, well renumerated with untold media opportunities post career in WA.

Fremantle has a clear list strategy and youth development plan that guys like Fyfe, Neale, Walters and Bennell are to be a part of.

If he is not "worth the risk" of a million dollars then neither is Kelly, Dusty or O'Meara. All of whom have yet to achieve anywhere near what Fyfe has.

I agree that Fyfe highly likely wants to stay, but bringing up the past can make any player look good, Cloke was one of the best forwards at one stage. I'm fairly confident if Fyfe played for another team that wasn't freo, a lot of people here would have different opinions. (not comparing Fyfe to Cloke, just using him as an example)

One of our top players? Walters, Neale, B. Hill, Hamling and Blakeley have all had better years. Off course if he starts playing the way he did pre injury he is amazingly good, but what evidence suggests so far this season suggests hes going to be that player again?

Is/was Fyfe a bloody good player pre 2017? You bet, dead set jet. But Fyfe 2017 form? Nothing to get excited about, would say he hasn't dominated a single game this year. Paying over a million for a player who was a gun but has had an average season is a risk. Could either go very well and he comes back to the Fyfe that was the best in the comp, or the opposite, he keeps playing the way he is now and we're massively paying overs.

 

[tonygeeks]

It's not like he has osteoporosis and breaks something every time he falls over.

The recurrence was the result of being tackled onto the astroturf surrounding the ground and the subsequent shock going through the plate that they had left in his leg. It was a freak accident and there's no plate anymore anyway. He's no more likely to break his leg than anyone else in the team (besides maybe guys like Sherro who tend to stay out of harm's way).

Is that osteo- thingo what Barlow has ?


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[estibador]

Barlow has what docs call Medical Grade Bad Luck.

 

[Superkoops]

It's not like he has osteoporosis and breaks something every time he falls over.

The recurrence was the result of being tackled onto the astroturf surrounding the ground and the subsequent shock going through the plate that they had left in his leg. It was a freak accident and there's no plate anymore anyway. He's no more likely to break his leg than anyone else in the team (besides maybe guys like Sherro who tend to stay out of harm's way).

You make a very solid point in bold.

In the second half Fyfe started to clunk some good marks. He was pretty average in the first half but started to improve. There were occasions in the game where he muscled the ball out and pushed opposition players out of the way.

Hopefully we see continued improvement. He had a couple of good games early in our run of wins, so I'm confident he will return to form. No brainer that we re-sign him and his slow return to form hasn't pushed his price too high for the contract.

 

[mike91]

Just to clarify, I'm not saying let Fyfe go, I'm just saying I hope we don't pay him too much.

 

[Yeti]

I agree that Fyfe highly likely wants to stay, but bringing up the past can make any player look good, Cloke was one of the best forwards at one stage. I'm fairly confident if Fyfe played for another team that wasn't freo, a lot of people here would have different opinions. (not comparing Fyfe to Cloke, just using him as an example)

One of our top players? Walters, Neale, B. Hill, Hamling and Blakeley have all had better years. Off course if he starts playing the way he did pre injury he is amazingly good, but what evidence suggests so far this season suggests hes going to be that player again?

Is/was Fyfe a bloody good player pre 2017? You bet, dead set jet. But Fyfe 2017 form? Nothing to get excited about, would say he hasn't dominated a single game this year. Paying over a million for a player who was a gun but has had an average season is a risk. Could either go very well and he comes back to the Fyfe that was the best in the comp, or the opposite, he keeps playing the way he is now and we're massively paying overs.

Cloke as a 30 year old Vs Fyfe as a 26 year old.

If the discussion was giving a 30 year old Fyfe a 5 year $1,000,000 a season contract I would assume that we had punted Ross the Boss for Crazy Vossy. Fyfe still has 6-8 good years of football left.

I would argue Fyfe has been better than Blakely (not by much but still better) but because the expectations are vastly different the natural reaction is that Blakely is better this year. B.Hill I would disagree with (after 5 rounds YES!), Hamling and Neale without a shadow of a doubt yes. Walters by a whisker because he has been a bit inconsistent this year. It is easy to look at the 5 BOGs he has had and put it across the year.

Fyfe has been consistent all year playing at a high level. What we are not seeing is him winning games off his own boot, breaking 4 tackles and snapping a goal and going head to head with premier midfielders like he has previously.

Your argument about Fyfe having an average season is a bit unfair to what he has achieved within the game and for the club. Going by your logic Jason Johannisen deserved $800,000 for 4 years if he had of come out of contract last year because he would have come out of contract after 1 very good season rather than valuing him over the last 3-5 years.

His form is building. He is 26 and a very driven individual. Being a more glass half full individual I believe he will get back to his best football by the end of this year and go into 2018 leading a team full of potential.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying let Fyfe go, I'm just saying I hope we don't pay him too much.

If $1,000,000 a season is over the top for him, where do you place his value?

Keeping in mind it is believed that we are currently paying him $1,000,000 this year.

 

[mike91]

Cloke as a 30 year old Vs Fyfe as a 26 year old.

If the discussion was giving a 30 year old Fyfe a 5 year $1,000,000 a season contract I would assume that we had punted Ross the Boss for Crazy Vossy. Fyfe still has 6-8 good years of football left.

I would argue Fyfe has been better than Blakely (not by much but still better) but because the expectations are vastly different the natural reaction is that Blakely is better this year. B.Hill I would disagree with (after 5 rounds YES!), Hamling and Neale without a shadow of a doubt yes. Walters by a whisker because he has been a bit inconsistent this year. It is easy to look at the 5 BOGs he has had and put it across the year.

Fyfe has been consistent all year playing at a high level. What we are not seeing is him winning games off his own boot, breaking 4 tackles and snapping a goal and going head to head with premier midfielders like he has previously.

Your argument about Fyfe having an average season is a bit unfair to what he has achieved within the game and for the club. Going by your logic Jason Johannisen deserved $800,000 for 4 years if he had of come out of contract last year because he would have come out of contract after 1 very good season rather than valuing him over the last 3-5 years.

His form is building. He is 26 and a very driven individual. Being a more glass half full individual I believe he will get back to his best football by the end of this year and go into 2018 leading a team full of potential.



If $1,000,000 a season is over the top for him, where do you place his value?

Keeping in mind it is believed that we are currently paying him $1,000,000 this year.

You definitely missed what I typed in brackets

Fyfe hasn't been better than Blakeley, though you're right about the expectations bit. B. Hill has been better than Fyfe, no doubt about that at all. Agree with Walters, poor start but now playing much better, so a whisker sounds about right.

Fyfe hasn't been playing at a high level all year, no way is that true. What does Fyfe having an average season have to do with what he has contributed to the club, that literally makes no sense, I'm talking about a players form, not his contribution to our club over his career.

Johannisen would've been paid a massive amount because of his grand final, probably not quite $800,00 though. That's not my logic, that's football logic mate. Want proof? Jesse White, Levi Greenwood, Tom Bell, potentially Casboult and even Matera this year.

 

[estibador]

His form is building. He is 26 and a very driven individual.

That's why I still have total faith.

Regardless of current form I feel it would be much more of a risk to offer someone like Martin that money because he's the sort who seems likely to flake back out after a good year or two.

Fyfe strikes me as being driven almost to a fault. No doubt in my mind that he'll get back somewhere near his best, and even if he can't quite get there, he'll get as much out of himself as humanly possible.

 

[Taylor]

How many sets of chopsticks in that baggage?

It's not to be sniffed at

 

[Yeti]

You definitely missed what I typed in brackets

Agreed.

Fyfe hasn't been better than Blakeley, though you're right about the expectations bit. B. Hill has been better than Fyfe, no doubt about that at all. Agree with Walters, poor start but now playing much better, so a whisker sounds about right.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I disagree that Blakely or B.Hill has been better across the season.

Fyfe hasn't been playing at a high level all year, no way is that true. What does Fyfe having an average season have to do with what he has contributed to the club, that literally makes no sense, I'm talking about a players form, not his contribution to our club over his career.

He has not been playing at a high level all year? What do you use to measure that?

Are we going to use his stats? If so, they are not that far off his 2014 stats:

What does Fyfe having an average season have to do with what he has contributed to the club, that literally makes no sense, I'm talking about a players form, not his contribution to our club over his career.

So you only want players judged on their last 12 months of form? Not their leadership, media profile or anything else? Only the form over the last 12 months? Not his career.

Johannisen would've been paid a massive amount because of his grand final, probably not quite $800,00 though. That's not my logic, that's football logic mate. Want proof? Jesse White, Levi Greenwood, Tom Bell, potentially Casboult and even Matera this year.

So JJ getting paid $800K after his GF appearance would be less of a risk than Fyfe because........?

Players do not earn big dollar, long term deals off one season. They are reserved for players like Dangerfield, Martin, Ablett and Pavlich.

I didn't realise that White, Casboult and Bell had been paid massive overs after 1 year of good form. I don't know enough about their contracts to comment on them. Can you link me to the estimated contract amounts? Did a quick Google on Jesse White and couldn't find anything on his dollar value.

 

[youmewe]

It's not to be sniffed at

Will Mr Miyagi's do 3000km home deliveries?

 

[tonygeeks]

That's why I still have total faith.

Regardless of current form I feel it would be much more of a risk to offer someone like Martin that money because he's the sort who seems likely to flake back out after a good year or two.

Fyfe strikes me as being driven almost to a fault. No doubt in my mind that he'll get back somewhere near his best, and even if he can't quite get there, he'll get as much out of himself as humanly possible.

No one can argue with that ......his value vs form vs future prospects is up for debate but his mental strength ...never


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[Banker]

Its a certainty that Fyfe will get over the odds contract even with his form.

 

[peppy la pew]

I'm backing Fyfe in to get back to full fitness and dominate again, man played with a broken leg FFS

 

[Deathly]

Just to clarify, I'm not saying let Fyfe go, I'm just saying I hope we don't pay him too much.

You know I've been thinking about the whole "What does Fyfe deserve" stuff for awhile now, and frankly I wouldn't be too bothered if he gets over $1M a year or if we pay him what people on here think is "too much". Even out of form (comparing 2017 Fyfe to 2015 Fyfe is already stupid also) he was in the BOG in most of our wins this year and found ways to will himself and the team over the line. Also he has done and he does a lot more for the club than put on his footy boots for 3 hours on the weekend.

I'm fairly certain that Fyfe himself is putting a limit on his playing ability. I mean why wouldn't you? The playing list has bought into the long-term plan why substitute things like working on your captaincy leadership and developing week to week fitness again (In an inconsistent team) for short term success at the risky of injury. A 2017 Final series in this even competition isn't even worth it.

Fyfe will fire again to his best in 2018. Let him continue to be cautious and effective with his game this year. He has very good reason to.

 

[mike91]

Agreed.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I disagree that Blakely or B.Hill has been better across the season.



He has not been playing at a high level all year? What do you use to measure that?

Are we going to use his stats? If so, they are not that far off his 2014 stats:





So you only want players judged on their last 12 months of form? Not their leadership, media profile or anything else? Only the form over the last 12 months? Not his career.



So JJ getting paid $800K after his GF appearance would be less of a risk than Fyfe because........?

Players do not earn big dollar, long term deals off one season. They are reserved for players like Dangerfield, Martin, Ablett and Pavlich.

I didn't realise that White, Casboult and Bell had been paid massive overs after 1 year of good form. I don't know enough about their contracts to comment on them. Can you link me to the estimated contract amounts? Did a quick Google on Jesse White and couldn't find anything on his dollar value.

Stats are so ridiculously overrated, I mean if you want proof AFL Fantasy scores and Supercoach scores are in that image. Stats wise, Zach Merrett would have better stats than Fyfe and without disrespect to Merrett (a gun) I know who the better player is.

I feel either you've misread a lot of what I've written or twisting my words around. What does judging Fyfe's under achieving year have to do with his media profile? Am I not allowed to judge a players form during there season without it being an insult to there who careers and media profiles?

When did I say JJ was less of a risk?

Actually they do. Greenwood had one good year at norf, got offered money by Collingwood and away he went. White did exactly the same thing (lol Collingwood). The fact White is being payed money than $1 is overs (tongue in cheek joke, well not really, hes shit lol). I could go on the magpies board and find out, but I really don't care how much hes on to be honest, everyone knows he left for money and Collingwood were stupid enough to pay it.

 

[Yeti]

Stats are so ridiculously overrated, I mean if you want proof AFL Fantasy scores and Supercoach scores are in that image. Stats wise, Zach Merrett would have better stats than Fyfe and without disrespect to Merrett (a gun) I know who the better player is.

I feel either you've misread a lot of what I've written or twisting my words around. What does judging Fyfe's under achieving year have to do with his media profile? Am I not allowed to judge a players form during there season without it being an insult to there who careers and media profiles?

When did I say JJ was less of a risk?

Actually they do. Greenwood had one good year at norf, got offered money by Collingwood and away he went. White did exactly the same thing (lol Collingwood). The fact White is being payed money than $1 is overs (tongue in cheek joke, well not really, hes shit lol). I could go on the magpies board and find out, but I really don't care how much hes on to be honest, everyone knows he left for money and Collingwood were stupid enough to pay it.

Did Jessen White leave for more money? Or did he not get offered a contract: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/794bf74131319548669cd1699dac5e18

So stats are an over rated way of judging Fyfes current form to his 2014 form. What is a more relevant way of doing it?

Anyone can make judgements around their own parameters. I am just disagreeing with your viewpoint and trying to understand it.

If Fyfe is not worth $1,000,000 a year, what is he worth?

I never said that you said JJ was more of a risk. I am pointing out that you are saying that Fyfe doesn't deserve $1,000,000 a year due to a lower output after 2 years of injury despite proven ability. And then say that JJ deserves a massive pay day off 1 year.

It seems short sighted to reward players for 1 year and not consider the long term output by the player.

 

[mike91]

Did Jessen White leave for more money? Or did he not get offered a contract: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/794bf74131319548669cd1699dac5e18

So stats are an over rated way of judging Fyfes current form to his 2014 form. What is a more relevant way of doing it?

Anyone can make judgements around their own parameters. I am just disagreeing with your viewpoint and trying to understand it.

If Fyfe is not worth $1,000,000 a year, what is he worth?

I never said that you said JJ was more of a risk. I am pointing out that you are saying that Fyfe doesn't deserve $1,000,000 a year due to a lower output after 2 years of injury despite proven ability. And then say that JJ deserves a massive pay day off 1 year.

It seems short sighted to reward players for 1 year and not consider the long term output by the player.

Can't open the link, got the Herald Sun page saying I need a subscription page, sorry dude.

By watching him in games and realizing his impact on games is severely down. I wouldn't have him in the top 20 players in the league this season (season not career, let that be noted).

Depends how he finishes the year

I never said JJ deserves a massive payout, I said that's how AFL works. I agree, it is short sighted, someone should tell Buckley that.

 

[M_rash]

Fyfe is out of form. Why the heck hasn't he recaptured his Brownlow form? Probably because he's returning from a broken leg. Probably because his sternum injury has impacted him. But probably also because he's playing forward a lot more. I wouldn't hesitate giving him 1-1.2MM for midfield Fyfe with short rotation fwd, but definitely wouldn't pay that for a 70/30 or 60/40 mid/fwd Fyfe. No way. Nut-ah

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Not sure it meets the definition of a fearful statement but what the hell ... you go glass half full


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I missed the bit about it being a fearful statement. I'm still fearful for my own health what would/will happen when we win a premiership after the month(s) long bender.

 

[tonygeeks]

Did Jessen White leave for more money? Or did he not get offered a contract: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/794bf74131319548669cd1699dac5e18

So stats are an over rated way of judging Fyfes current form to his 2014 form. What is a more relevant way of doing it?

Anyone can make judgements around their own parameters. I am just disagreeing with your viewpoint and trying to understand it.

If Fyfe is not worth $1,000,000 a year, what is he worth?

I never said that you said JJ was more of a risk. I am pointing out that you are saying that Fyfe doesn't deserve $1,000,000 a year due to a lower output after 2 years of injury despite proven ability. And then say that JJ deserves a massive pay day off 1 year.

It seems short sighted to reward players for 1 year and not consider the long term output by the player.

There is only one question that matters is he going to be worth 5 - 6 mil for the next 5 years ie in the top dozen players in the comp

we do not owe him this money for 2014

If the club is satisfied he is going to be worth it in 2020 then go for it



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[tonygeeks]

I missed the bit about it being a fearful statement. I'm still fearful for my own health what would/will happen when we win a premiership after the month(s) long bender.

12 mths Rehabs one way to avoid the premiership hangover


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