Game and Player Review vs Port

[Snoop Dog]

1st Qtr

Where do I start...it was atrocious. We got;

• smashed in the clearances
• fwd defensive structure appalling
• toovey was left on ebert 1out in their goal square - was Mick watching?
• reid and shaw turned it over
• shaw didnt play well at all as spare man
• they used it much better.

What compounded all that was that we steadied the ship and then let them kick 2 more in last 2 mins which had me headless.....

Second Qtr

in the second it was much better and much thanks owed to Swan (21 touches to half time and 1 goal) and to a much lesser extent Didak. Between the two of them they conjured 3 goals that got us up and going. Cloke, Dids, Brown, Beams had some nice touches. But in saying that the first four times they went in they kicked for 2.2 and we still gave away dumb free kicks (Jolly I think has given up 4)

3rd Quarter

Was excellent - beat them by a pt into the wind and if they didnt have Rodan we would have been 3 goals up. Pendles got a bit but was on Rodan for a bit but I think it was Sidey who got chopped up for at least one for the two. Locks and Jolly still gave away some silly ones but the team ran the ball harder into the wind.

4th Quarter

Did what we had to do. Swan and Pendles kept on the gas and big Dawes split them open with a coupe of rippers.

Votes

3 - Swan
2 - Dawes
1 - Pendles

Players

Goldsack - tried in the first half and positioned himself as well as any backmen. Looked the surest in the last line of defence and frankly thought he showed an ability to play well when the team wasnt. Had a super last qtr. Not sure what Sidey did to him but couldnt understand why Goldy didnt handpass to him.

Cloke - only touch in first qtr was for whacking someone which will cost him weeks. Second was good and he kicked one as well as set Beams up but after that I didnt think he did a lot.

Toovey - left one out in defence and had 3 kicked on him...why that wasnt changed was beyond me. Didnt get much better for him in the second to be honest and you have to worry that the gap between his best and worst is pretty large. The only thing he did well was halfway thru last and even then he wasnt clean. Prefer Goldy I think!

Harry - I think his game had been coming for a bit. Wasnt great early and didnt really many up a great deal. Was lucky he didnt have 2 kicked on him in the first and was poor again the second I thought albeit had a couple of nice runs and long kicks. But then he changed it all around and absolutely set us up in the last half. He manned up and was physical. Gave Motlop a belting which is always nice isnt it!

Swan - was brilliant in the first half and only shining light I thought. He is a dominant player anywhere on the field and must be a massive brownlow chance. Cant believe he aint in my DT.......

Thomas - ran hard early and was one of the better ones in the first half. Dumb free kick with the jumper punch and a possible report you may think. But another who had a good second half and the left foot pass to Jolly unreal.

Johnson - his kicking was exposed terribly in the first qtr into the wind but did an ok job on Pearce. Had an important touch late in the second where he didnt have enough vision....thats a worry! Overall I suspect the coach will say you kept Pearce quiet but ball use was poor....but he did win his spot for mine.

Brown - did nothing in the first but worked into in the second and started to read the ball in the air much better to take some nice marks. Lovely goal in the third and then backed it up with a better one in the last off the left.

Jolly - Does anyone give away more free kicks in the league. Got smashed early with brogan winning a heap of clearances but he did offer a bit in the second half and the goal was at a good time but he just cant give that many frees away against good teams.

presti - went onto stewart and stopped him. Typical game from him. Well done!

Beams - tried in the first half with a few nice touches and his goal was a beauty. Thought he got better in the second and some of his kicking into the fwd 50 was really good given the wind.

Pendles - looked ok in the first but was on Cassisi who was great for them and got their first two clearances. Got better in the second qtr and worked his way into the game. Third qtr was really good and his handball was very creative. I think he had some time though on Rodan...not sure.

Dawes - nothing in the first qtr but his second and third were better with a nice mark two and then he unloaded in the last half. Split the game open in the last and his kicking was a real feature as was his agility.

Didak - Another who gave away a dumb free early but then he kicked a couple and was creative in that second. Didnt do a heap but a couple of nice outside clearances and used it well.

Ball - no impact in the first qtr like many of his mates but got some clearances in the second qtr which helped us. His last was typical.....last one up but he didnt really influence the game for me.

Sidey - No impact in the first qtr but another who lifted his efforts in the second and third were good. That left foot pass on the outer wing was super.

Locks - At least tried in the first but little impact. better from then on as he played in front. Also a couple of nice contested situations and link up of plays. On the negs his 50m penalty was just silly...expect better from a 12 year player. Overall was ok but nothing special I didnt think.

Blair - Was ok in the first half but very good in the second half with a goal in each qtr... what about that goal in the 3rd hey, little baulk and then a nice finish. Was thinking at half time maybe should have played Meddy....how wrong was I.

Wellers - Ummmm, not really sure. Didnt do a heap but there was a couple of nice touches in the first half. Nice run late in the last but needed it earlier. We need him up and about.

Shaw - he had a shocking first qtr. Just didnt play spare man well and didnt give Tooves a lot of support. Got better in the second and at least made sure it kept going fwd. Was ok.

Reid - had some really good moments and some really poor ones. Saved a goal in the second but gave one away in the first. On the whole first half was ok, probably beat his man. I think he spent a bit of time on the pine in the last.

Anthony - I would rather not write anything.

 

[OniAu]

Anthony needs to go back , he is so undisciplined its not funny, reminds me a lot of fev.
dawes isnt doing him any favours aswell

cloke anthony out

medders and leon in for next week im hoping

 

[sgnl00]

3 - Swan
2 - Pendles
1 - Ball

The game was won in the third quarter, by these three players.

 

[pieman123]

i think Pendles will get the 3 votes, just less turnovers than Swan

 

[Frankie23]

i think Pendles will get the 3 votes, just less turnovers than Swan

Agree, whilst Swanny kept us in it I think Pendles probably won it for us with his work in the middle.

 

[danielnajdek]

3.Swan by a country mile
2.Dawes
1.Pendles

Was gonna give Blair a vote. Thought he was wonderful for a second game player.

 

[rusty side]

Anthony needs to go back , he is so undisciplined its not funny, reminds me a lot of fev.
dawes isnt doing him any favours aswell

cloke anthony out

medders and leon in for next week im hoping

Anthony reminds me of the bad fevola, it's a shame his best is nowhere near fev's best. Must be sent back to the magoo's next week..

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Jack will probably be suspended anyway, so may not need to drop him.

 

[mattys123]

Anthony reminds me of the bad fevola, it's a shame his best is nowhere near fev's best. Must be sent back to the magoo's next week..

Jack won't have to worry about bringing his boots to the footy next week, he'll be sitting in the stands.

 

[half_back_flank]

A little harsh on Jolly i thought. Wasn't the only one not doing enough in the first quarter and was by no means our worst.

 

[PieBeast]

Cloke's gone, Jack 50/50 ( could be deemed accidental)

If Swan does not get 3 Brownlow votes i've got no idea about football.

 

[Thommo 42]

Strange, I didn't think Anthony was that bad. Counted at least 3 direct goal assists, chased bloody hard all night and was nice and physical.

A couple of average kicks into the 50, but they were to the hot spot, but nobody was home.

 

[kevind]

Good read again, Snoop.

Random thoughts-

Frustrating game to watch. Cardinal sin was the theme for most of the night. Trav's short pass to Beams and predictable losing contest on the far wing just about did my head in for the night. Just after we had arrested control of the game, to short pass to a contest???? Just dumb!!!.

Port players should hang their heads. They finally turn up to play after ending their coach's career. Not impressed.

Anyway, I was pleased with Dawes. No other tall forward could make sense of the night, but he managed. Progessing really well. He and Cloke will definitely be the 2 KFs in finals, if fit of course. JA, on the other hand is going backwards at an alarming rate as a forward. I will renew my call for him to become a defender. He's no KF.

Jolly and L Brown for me will be the 2 rucks in the finals. Josh and Wood may be able to ruck our VFL side to a flag. If you have physical presence as a ruckman.it makes up for many sins.

We are becoming a little too dependent on Dane Swan, who is the best player at Collingwood by a wide margin, to kick start us. Pendles is usually good in this area but really lacks a killer weapon in his game.

Also pleased with Reid. Had a shocking start but kept at it and turned his game around. Like Dawes, he is progressing really well.

Wellingham is swimming in murky waters at the moment with a string of ordinary games. He was frustrating at VFL level for this very reason. He continues to tease and I always find myself debating whether he is actually any good, or is it just a mirage.

Blair is an interesting one. Could he be any shorter???? It looks like his mother is going to come out on the field at any moment and call him home for a dinner with an affectionate clip over the ears. But the lad can really play. Good skills, great decision maker.

Anyway, frustrating night but a good win in the end thanks to the human running machine. His dad was great VFA player, but Dane has taken his footballing family dynasty to new heights.

Das ist alles!!!!!

 

[el toado]

Am I the only one who thought Pendles looked a little out of sorts in the first half? Usually when he gets the ball he has all the time in the world to find a player but tonight there was numerous instances where he was caught hesitating with the ball and was either brought down or laid off a small handball from over his head. Also we were being smashed in the clearances by cassisi and rodan and he was on both of them at times when they got on top. His second half was quite good but his earlier work was well below what he is capable of.

I also thought Lockyer played his role well and was a steadying presence on many occasions throughout the game. I dont think jack was our worst either (johnson) and I am really impressed by Dawes and Blair!

 

[pieman123]

our whole team besides swan were out of sorts in the first half, i think Pendles had a great 3rd quarter to get us into control of the game

 

[Zahki]

Very, very ordinary 1st quarter sours what would've been a great win. I hope they get it sorted before the Saints because there is no way to come back against them once you're 30+ points down.

 

[Invigoration]

Strange, I didn't think Anthony was that bad. Counted at least 3 direct goal assists, chased bloody hard all night and was nice and physical.

A couple of average kicks into the 50, but they were to the hot spot, but nobody was home.

You won't get much reasonable discussion re Jack Anthony around this place (that isn't aimed at Snoop btw, it's just a sweeping statement).

I thought he had his moments tonight as well, specifically those goal assists you mention that won't get mentioned by people in the run down.

He gets harshly criticised though. 6 weeks ago it was that he didn't chase and tackle hard enough, now it's that he is too overzealous and aggressive on the defense and thus gets himself cited.
I think his endeavour is always good and he appeared to be working quite hard to me tonight. He just seems to be getting played in a completely foreign role.
The majority of the ball he got tonight was on the HFF as a running player (sometimes quite high on the flank/wing), not as a lead up target and he clearly isn't a bloke you won't delivering the ball instead the 50 without time to stop and assess. He makes rash decisions, no doubt.
He either needs to be on the end of the chain, kicking at goal, or playing purely as a defender with the ability to rebound and assess the play coming out of the back line. His field kicking on the whole is very good, especially when he can get the ball in some space and rebound, like Reid. Under pressure going I50 though he panics and blazes away too often.

A swingman sounds so attractive on paper, but it rarely works out how you hoped. He needs a clearly defined role and the chance to stick to it now, I'd much prefer a specialist in one area than a jack of all trades, master of none (ala Leroy).

 

[the mighty T]

You won't get much reasonable discussion re Jack Anthony around this place (that isn't aimed at Snoop btw, it's just a sweeping statement).

I thought he had his moments tonight as well, specifically those goal assists you mention that won't get mentioned by people in the run down.

He gets harshly criticised though. 6 weeks ago it was that he didn't chase and tackle hard enough, now it's that he is too overzealous and aggressive on the defense and thus gets himself cited.
I think his endeavour is always good and he appeared to be working quite hard to me tonight. He just seems to be getting played in a completely foreign role.
The majority of the ball he got tonight was on the HFF as a running player (sometimes quite high on the flank/wing), not as a lead up target and he clearly isn't a bloke you won't delivering the ball instead the 50 without time to stop and assess. He makes rash decisions, no doubt.
He either needs to be on the end of the chain, kicking at goal, or playing purely as a defender with the ability to rebound and assess the play coming out of the back line. His field kicking on the whole is very good, especially when he can get the ball in some space and rebound, like Reid. Under pressure going I50 though he panics and blazes away too often.

A swingman sounds so attractive on paper, but it rarely works out how you hoped. He needs a clearly defined role and the chance to stick to it now, I'd much prefer a specialist in one area than a jack of all trades, master of none (ala Leroy).

Come on invig, you cant tell me he had a good game tonight...11 touches and at least 5 clangers, and at least 3 frees against that i counted. Not to mention probably got himself rubbed out and without firing a shot on goal.

Tell me how thats reasonable for a HFF. He is harshly criticized yes, but tonight its deserved. He had good forward pressure and did have an assist in a couple of goals. But suspension or not, theres better in the VFL to play that role than he imo.

Im really glad that blair has performed quite nicely since coming onto the scene last week and has certainly proved some posters/doubters because of his size wrong. Obviously he hasnt been tested against the best teams in the league, but i cant see how he'd be in our OUTS based on form this week

Pretty happy with tarks again this week, not a bad game. however will he be exposed by the saints next weekend is my concern. He looks good against some average sides but against the top teams...

Reid got better as the game went on but a few errors which would have cost us dearly against a stkilda or geelong. However in that first quarter, all bar swan were quite average.

Well done Chris Dawes 3 goals and a massive assist, combined with a pretty good previous fortnight has got the naysayers back in their shells waiting for you to slip up. and who said you couldnt take an overhead mark, ha!

3 - Swan
2 - Dawes
1 - Dids/Pendles

Cant split the one vote here

 

[Invigoration]

I never said he was good tonight.

 

[Valli]

Good game lads

I know you came back in the second, but you definitely won (or we lost) in the third. We really needed to be up by 3-4 goals to stand a chance.

Hopefully with a new coach and some players returning in Hartlett, Gray ( watch these kids ) Surjan, Krakouer and maybe Tredders, we can look forward to some good games over the future.

Good luck with finals but please can some of your supporters not be such d!ckheads when you win hahaha

 

[mdc]

Come on invig, you cant tell me he had a good game tonight...11 touches and at least 5 clangers, and at least 3 frees against that i counted. Not to mention probably got himself rubbed out and without firing a shot on goal.

Cloke had the same number of clangers (5) and frees against (3) with 12 touches. Almost an identical game overall.

Of course, you're going to say that no-one's saying Cloke was good - which is true enough - but he hasn't had 15 posts bashing him either.

For whatever reason, people are easily riled up by JA's mistakes, and are slow to remember his successes.

 

[Damon_3388]

Just out of interest, here's how our players ranked against Port Adelaide, according to the Champion Data Player Ranking:

1. Dane Swan - 127
2. Scott Pendlebury - 125
3. Jarryd Blair - 104
4. Alan Didak - 102
5. Darren Jolly - 100
6. Dayne Beams - 96
7. Dale Thomas - 94
8. Chris Dawes - 93
9. Tarkyn Lockyer - 88
10. Heath Shaw - 86
11. Luke Ball - 84
12. Harry O'Brien - 70
13. Travis Cloke - 67
14. Tyson Goldsack - 66
15. Leigh Brown - 64
16. Alan Toovey - 60
17. Ben Reid - 58
18. Sharrod Wellingham - 57
19. Steele Sidebottom - 57
20. Simon Prestigiacomo - 41
21. Ben Johnson - 32
22. John Anthony - 29

Here's how our B&F would look if calculated using the Champion Data Player Ranking (22 points awarded for highest CDPR on the day, right through to 1 point awarded for lowest CDPR on the day - a scoring system that rewards impact and consistency):

1. Dane Swan - 292 (6 BOGs)
2. Scott Pendlebury - 266 (1 BOG)
3. Dale Thomas - 233 (1 BOG)
4. Alan Didak - 232 (1 BOG)
5. Heath Shaw - 210
6. Luke Ball - 197 (1 BOG)
7. Harry O'Brien - 191
8. Steele Sidebottom - 190 (2 BOGs)
9. Travis Cloke - 186 (2 BOGs)
10. Dayne Beams - 172
11. Darren Jolly - 157
12. Ben Johnson - 135
13. Alan Toovey - 132
14. Nick Maxwell - 132
15. Sharrod Wellingham - 129
16. Leon Davis - 121 (1 BOG)
17. Tarkyn Lockyer - 99
18. Ben Reid - 98
19. Chris Dawes - 97
20. Paul Medhurst - 85
21. Brent Macaffer - 83
22. Shane O'Bree - 63
23. Leigh Brown - 61
24. Josh Fraser - 48
25. Simon Prestigiacomo - 42
26. Jarryd Blair - 29
27. Brad Dick - 22
28. Nathan J. Brown - 20
29. Tyson Goldsack - 17
30. John Anthony - 13
31. Cameron Wood - 10
32. John McCarthy - 4
33. Jaxson Barham - 2

Despite the CDPR being the best all-round statistical measurement of a player's impact on the game (due to all the factors that go into it), obviously statistics aren't everything, so make of that what you will.

 

[mdc]

From a stats POV, that's a really bad way to do it, since you're enforcing the unnecessary assumption that 22-21-20...etc is the correct way to measure impact in every game, when in fact the distribution will differ wildly.

In other words, you're much better off just adding the raw CD scores for each player than assigning them a ranking from 1 to 22.

 

[Damon_3388]

From a stats POV, that's a really bad way to do it, since you're enforcing the unnecessary assumption that 22-21-20...etc is the correct way to measure impact in every game, when in fact the distribution will differ wildly.

Going by that reasoning, couldn't the traditional 3-2-1 be considered a poor way to measure the distribution of impact, as (for example) the 3 vote getter could have been head and shoulders above those getting the two and the one?

In other words, you're much better off just adding the raw CD scores for each player than assigning them a ranking from 1 to 22.

I'm not saying my method is absolutely foolproof, but IMO it is a good format that recognises both impact and consistency throughout the whole 22 over the course of the season. This means that players like Heath Shaw and Harry O'Brien (both yet to have a BOG performance this season under this scoring format) can get reward for their consistency, and impact players like Steele Sidebottom (two BOGs this season under this scoring format) can get their due too.

If you look at the raw CDPR score totals, the outcome is pretty similar to my method anyway. At least with my method you're keeping a game-by-game tally though, to see when certain players did or didn't perform in the context of the rest of the team.

 

[Chartreuse]

Well I thought Locky had a FANTASTIC game...tough for a fwd in those windy conditions and he played his heart out.

Blairy also did MORE than enough to keep his posi in the side...could develop into a cult hero given his dimunitve size. (May even bring him into my DT if he gets 3rd game, as a downgrade option).

Jolly does give a lot of frees, but looking at a few of them, they sometimes seem like smart intentional ones...one where they were about to break out and he pulled Brogan back. Umpire called it rather than playing advantage.

Swan...well what can you say...he and Paul Chapman are the best players in the comp at the moment imho. He should have had another two goals too. How good was that torpedo!

And O'Brien...his ability to breakout of tackles is amazing!

Most of the rest (probably Anthony tha clear exception) were solid I thought.

Will be interesting to see how we go without Cloke if he gets suspended...I haven't really seen the incident clearly so not sure.