Game thoughts

[Kirby]

BJ should never have played!

 

[DThomas]

Thomas was brilliant!

Read my match report that I just posted about his performance:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14013791#post14013791

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

Pretty disappointing result really, i thought we played just OK, but when it boils down to it, were beaten by the better side on the day...who were prepared to run, carry and take the game on. .....

Great work TWL. A summation without the hysteria. A relief to read after some of the other posts. Should have manned up before the first bounce. Hugging the flanks doesnt work against the zone. Reality has reared its ugly head and bit quite a few complacent arses.....

We are still trying to find the winning formula. We had it in 2007. Those who have left since then have yet to be truly replaced!! Let's face it, we are still at least 18 months away from a real crack. The Premiership window is opening, but we're still peering at the silverwear from the outside.

Quite a few of our quicker lads still need to either bulk up, toughen up or both, and need some extra match seasoning. Part of that is getting served some righteous arse kicking from their opponents so it makes them sick at the thought of it happening again. Until we have the personnel that can run and carry like Geelong's midfield week in week out, we are destined for more defeats like today. We have a great core group but still need some legitimate KPPs especially in the mid field and backs and let's not get started on the rucks. Thomas will have his breakout year assuming no injuries. Dayne Beams will rank highly in the Rising star as will Sidebottom.

Of course Carlton are looking better after today's defeat. They have a far more talented team coming into their own. My hat's off to the players... and to hell with Carlton's immoral and corrupt leaders with their "win a Premiership at any cost" values and their complicit flunkies.

Our tilt at the 2009 premiereship is a fabrication driven by CFCs recruiting drive propaganda and "experts" pumping up sales of newspapers during the dead of summer. Let that BS settle into the bowels of 2009 and enjoy this years ride - it's going to be a bumpy one.

 

[Pie eyed]

I'll make it quick -

Thomas was good - his brilliance kept us in the game

Pendlebury was good - his skills helped us alot around the stoppages

John Anthony - Jebus can this guy take a contested mark - superb in front of goals - he beat Rutten IMHO

Cox - his dash and rebound out of half back was very good - needs to learn to shack a tag as it kept him relatively quiet in the second half

Leon - he was fantastic in the second half - why didn't MM play him in the middle from the first bounce?

Cloke - His kicking for goal was very good but needs to do more

Game style - why did we handpass so often in the first half of the match?

Another 2nd 1/4 win after a flat effort in the first.
Is there any reason Mick can't stay on the ground up to the bounce then run for the Coaches box, they seem to do so much better when he has had the "last minute pump up."
Since Bryan is fairly limited skills wise shouldn't he just bash the ball forward like Brisbane used to.
We seemed to over posses by hand in the first 1/4 and parts of the rest of the game, but I thought significantly on occassions it was pretty effective. More time for it to become second nature and be the more Modern game.

Should have just played man on man.

This incessant handpassing is, according to some, the new "big thing" in football. Personally I would rather play our style of game, Collingwood being the least handballing side in 07-08, but supposedly we have to develop this style to have a chance to match the Geelongs and Hawthorns rolling zones and high posession running games.

If in fact that is the case then it may take a few games, real games that is, to get the game plan working efficiently.
As I have said , personally I don't like it, but if it does reap some reward soon it is worth the effort.
I won't lose too much sleep over the loss as I do and always will rate Adelaide as worthy opponents and we were not "pantsed" by any means. The points would have been good but maybe the experience was more valuable.



Go Pies

 

[Optimax]

This incessant handpassing is, according to some, the new "big thing" in football. Personally I would rather play our style of game, Collingwood being the least handballing side in 07-08, but supposedly we have to develop this style to have a chance to match the Geelongs and Hawthorns rolling zones and high posession running games.

If in fact that is the case then it may take a few games, real games that is, to get the game plan working efficiently.
As I have said , personally I don't like it, but if it does reap some reward soon it is worth the effort.
I won't lose too much sleep over the loss as I do and always will rate Adelaide as worthy opponents and we were not "pantsed" by any means. The points would have been good but maybe the experience was more valuable.



Go Pies

When we got back into the game we kicked twice as much as we handpassed, we are not a handpassing side and dammit Malthouse stop trying to turn us into one just because its the fad thing to do.

We cant beat the zone we hard running man on man LONG KICKING football, not this bullshit short kick handpass 5 times in a circle then kick then repeat bullshit

 

[bothfeetshanker]

Here is what I got out of today (just watched it again for some reason...or that's right, 6 cans)

• JA - can mark, can kick, can be a very dangerous player for us this year
• enough of the boys showed enough to reinforce the pre-season hopes I had for a good year. It is Rd1 and it wasn't a spanking (unlike a couple of weeks ago!)
• the CFC coaching staff must have serious potential injury concerns about the centre of the MCG...and every other ground we play on. Or it is a game plan to get closer to the supporters. or the boys boots are leased and they need to do a certain number of KMs each week. Why else would we not go anywhere near the corridor???
• 2 year olds don't care if we win or lose, they are happy to wear thier pies shirts!
• why did I make Dids my SC skipper!!!!
• Adelaide are a pretty good side who will cause a fair few sides a fair few problems this year...and they have some very handy younguns coming through
• my kids now blame the umpires or Ben Johnson for everything wrong in the world...and I am pretty comfortable with that
• thank GOD we have the Dees next week, and I hope we grow some and pick Beams and Sidebottom and Heater is fit to get the season rolling
• thank God no Corws fans know where Canberra is

 

[chappo52]

When the crows implemented their zone, all our forwards followed. Leaving the forward 50 vacant, So rather than trying to spread the Crows we gave them the ability to move further up the ground!

When we managed to break the zone, we were left to pump the ball to a player that was sprinting back with the flight of the ball,

Hopefully Rocca can be a true stay at home full forward when he returns

 

[Paul.]

When the crows implemented their zone, all our forwards followed. Leaving the forward 50 vacant, So rather than trying to spread the Crows we gave them the ability to move further up the ground!

When we managed to break the zone, we were left to pump the ball to a player that was sprinting back with the flight of the ball,

Hopefully Rocca can be a true stay at home full forward when he returns

Man on man we had em on toast at times.

Rocca will give us structure.

 

[rose jam]

We cant beat the zone we hard running man on man LONG KICKING football, not this bullshit short kick handpass 5 times in a circle then kick then repeat bullshit

You beat the zone by holding the corridor, my god are people so stupid about this. The zone works by forcing turnover and running it back through the other way. Well if the other way is the boundary line then you're going to force them to score from wide, and you'll score more often from straight in front. The lucky thing for Hawthorn is that Franklin is a better converter from wide then in front of goal.

 

[Porkaspies09]

We are going to demolish the demons next week, ROCCAS READY TO RUMBLE, Heath shaw is gunna be back giving us the drive from the defence.
my thoughts on the game:
Dale Thomas what a year he is going to have this year outsatnding performance by him, pendles was brilliant as always, swanny was good, John Anthony can do the lot kick, mark,tackle ,hes a brilliant player.
Dissapointments Ben Ried IMO is the worst player on our list he and goldsack and bryan showed absolutly nothing yesterday,,
I expect wood to get a run next week,dayne beams, Big ROCCA , and heata who i think we desperatly need back,
GO PIES SMASH THOSE DEMONS NEXT WEEK, 21 ROUNDS STILL TO GO

 

[DThomas]

Jesus look at all this Daisy bashing over on Nick's:

http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=49159


Someone said that he is overrated and he would rather have Xavier Ellis!

They are obviously angry about the loss, but far-out don't take it out on Daisy because he was one of our best.
And if you can't see that he had a great performance then get ****ed!

 

[Dave The Man]

Jesus look at all this Daisy bashing over on Nick's:

http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=49159


Someone said that he is overrated and he would rather have Xavier Ellis!

They are obviously angry about the loss, but far-out don't take it out on Daisy because he was one of our best.
And if you can't see that he had a great performance then get ****ed!

A lot of them do overract over there

 

[Pie eyed]

Here is what I got out of today (just watched it again for some reason...or that's right, 6 cans)

• JA - can mark, can kick, can be a very dangerous player for us this year
• enough of the boys showed enough to reinforce the pre-season hopes I had for a good year. It is Rd1 and it wasn't a spanking (unlike a couple of weeks ago!)
• the CFC coaching staff must have serious potential injury concerns about the centre of the MCG...and every other ground we play on. Or it is a game plan to get closer to the supporters. or the boys boots are leased and they need to do a certain number of KMs each week. Why else would we not go anywhere near the corridor???
• 2 year olds don't care if we win or lose, they are happy to wear thier pies shirts!
• why did I make Dids my SC skipper!!!!
• Adelaide are a pretty good side who will cause a fair few sides a fair few problems this year...and they have some very handy younguns coming through
• my kids now blame the umpires or Ben Johnson for everything wrong in the world...and I am pretty comfortable with that
• thank GOD we have the Dees next week, and I hope we grow some and pick Beams and Sidebottom and Heater is fit to get the season rolling
• thank God no Corws fans know where Canberra is

LOL...So true.

When we got back into the game we kicked twice as much as we handpassed, we are not a handpassing side and dammit Malthouse stop trying to turn us into one just because its the fad thing to do.

We cant beat the zone we hard running man on man LONG KICKING football, not this bullshit short kick handpass 5 times in a circle then kick then repeat bullshit

So it's not just me then. I hate this stupid handball round-a-bout the game is on. Nothing looks better or is as effective as "possession long kick, mark, handball to running player long kick to open goal square, goal."

A lot of them do overract over there

Nick's are not the only board with a tendency to over- react Dave.

 

[Optimax]

So it's not just me then. I hate this stupid handball round-a-bout the game is on. Nothing looks better or is as effective as "possession long kick, mark, handball to running player long kick to open goal square, goal."

And it doesnt have to necessarily be corridor only football either

Handpassing consistently is only effective if you can do it through the corridor, by passing to either someone in front or running past you.

Kicking always moves you forward


And no its not you, i may of been brought up with old fashioned football i dunno, but to me man on man all over the ground plus hard running and long kicking is the best game plan every time

 

[Pie eyed]

And it doesnt have to necessarily be corridor only football either

Handpassing consistently is only effective if you can do it through the corridor, by passing to either someone in front or running past you.

Kicking always moves you forward


And no its not you, i may of been brought up with old fashioned football i dunno, but to me man on man all over the ground plus hard running and long kicking is the best game plan every time

AND..................how bloody good is it when we get it right.

The first goal in the 1st quarter and the first in the third too I believe 15-17 seconds from tap to celebration.

 

[Optimax]

AND..................how bloody good is it when we get it right.

The first goal in the 1st quarter and the first in the third too I believe 15-17 seconds from tap to celebration.

yep when it works its basically unstoppable, no one can outrun the ball in mid air

 

[hellfire]

p.s. both Pendles and Daisy are guns.

Highlight of the match for me. These two will be superstars once they rectify some minor issues ([kicking longer + backing himself more], [less checksides + better finishing with running goals] respectively). Loved both their games.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

For anyone who wants quick access to a replay of the game.

2009 Round 1: Adelaide v Collingwood

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=65D79439E849B79C&playnext=1

 

[Invigoration]

Jesus look at all this Daisy bashing over on Nick's:

http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=49159


Someone said that he is overrated and he would rather have Xavier Ellis!

They are obviously angry about the loss, but far-out don't take it out on Daisy because he was one of our best.
And if you can't see that he had a great performance then get ****ed!

They are right though, he does need to learn to kick on his left. It is an embarrassment seeing him consistently banana'ing the ball every time he is caught on his wrong side.
He could get away with it around the goals, but if he wants to spend more time in the midfield he needs to pull his mug out of all the media work he does and get out on the track and practice it.
Top 5 draft picks should be kicking on both feet, it is pretty poor IMO.

 

[DThomas]

They are right though, he does need to learn to kick on his left. It is an embarrassment seeing him consistently banana'ing the ball every time he is caught on his wrong side.
He could get away with it around the goals, but if he wants to spend more time in the midfield he needs to pull his mug out of all the media work he does and get out on the track and practice it.
Top 5 draft picks should be kicking on both feet, it is pretty poor IMO.

The thing is he is good at those banana kicks, but I agree that he should work on it. And some of the trash that they posted was ridiculous!
Taking it out on Daisy when we lose is an absolute joke.
They need to get over the loss because crying about isn't going to change the result!

 

[Tex200]

Just some observations from an opposition supporter.

I thought Dale Thomas was your best player and agree he is a gem. Some of his gut busting running to set up play must have been inspirational to his team mates.

I thought Rocca was a huge loss for you in the context of playing our side. If you have Rocca in the square then Ben Rutten has to take him and with Bock always taking Cloke, it would have left us without an adequate match up for Anthony which could have been very damaging.

If the 'Pies did overuse handball I would suggest this was because its been a comon theme that to break Adelaide down you have to run at them with handball. West oast started this in '06 and sides have been doing it ever since.

Without wishing to put fuel on a fire there was no question we got the rub of the umpiring.

 

[shawthing09]

Something that hasn't been brought up is that in the periods of the game that they really took it to us they just ran a heap harder then we did. It is strange considering how many of our guys apparentally ran p.b's in preseason. My GF who doesn't know too much about football right throughout the first quater kept asking me "why is there always more of them around the ball" the answer is simply they ran harder to get to every contest. They also ran harder to zone back and foward to create. When we matched them in effort we beat them on the scoreboard unfortunately our effort was not mantained across four quaters.

 

[Dave The Man]

Something that hasn't been brought up is that in the periods of the game that they really took it to us they just ran a heap harder then we did. It is strange considering how many of our guys apparentally ran p.b's in preseason. My GF who doesn't know too much about football right throughout the first quater kept asking me "why is there always more of them around the ball" the answer is simply they ran harder to get to every contest. They also ran harder to zone back and foward to create. When we matched them in effort we beat them on the scoreboard unfortunately our effort was not mantained across four quaters.

Was our Problem last year where we would get dominated like that but also we dominated them for parts and we just can't keep the Pressure up for more then a Quater and a bit

 

[mdc]

Something that hasn't been brought up is that in the periods of the game that they really took it to us they just ran a heap harder then we did. It is strange considering how many of our guys apparentally ran p.b's in preseason. My GF who doesn't know too much about football right throughout the first quater kept asking me "why is there always more of them around the ball" the answer is simply they ran harder to get to every contest. They also ran harder to zone back and foward to create. When we matched them in effort we beat them on the scoreboard unfortunately our effort was not mantained across four quaters.

Selection problem. They just far more runners than we did. You can't expect Reid/Goldsack etc...to keep up with genuine mids.