Geelong and GWS “home” finals

[HairyO]

So?

Geelong being forced to play home games at the mcg along with home finals just makes the unfairness to geelong even worse.

Experience at the ground is not what makes home ground advantage. Its amount of your fans vs the opposition. Its travel time. Both are worse for geelong at the mcg then gws playing at scg. Regardless of how many times a year they play there.

If Geelong played Collingwood at Kardinia in a final, the AFL would force Geelong to make 15,000 to 20,000 tickets available to Collingwood and a further 5,000 tickets available to themselves for sponsors and AFL members.

As much as you lot bleat, Geelong simply do not want big games at Kardinia. They will jump and stamp their feet and pretend its terrible, but they want the MCG - and deep down the tens of thousands of Geelong supporters who wouldnt get a ticket at Kardinia also want it.

Its quite a trick that Geelong have pulled, getting VIC taxpayers to spend about $500m over the years to increase the capacity from 30,000 to 40,000.

 

[pjcrows]

Geelong should be able to play home finals at Kardinia against all opponents IMO.

 

[HairyO]

Geelong should be able to play home finals at Kardinia against all opponents IMO.

Hawks can choose Launceston if they want?

BTW: Geelong dont want to play home finals at Kardinia. They just say they do. So we end up with these threads popping up every single year.

 

[pjcrows]

Hawks can choose Launceston if they want?

BTW: Geelong dont want to play home finals at Kardinia. They just say they do. So we end up with these threads popping up every single year.

No, because Tasmania isn't their home state.

I'm not saying they can choose - clearly the AFL have said they can't - I'm saying they should have the right to. The current rule is that they can't.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Collingwood has an iron-clad contract to play 5 away games at the MCG every season. If we play Geelong in Geelong, that would mean one less interstate trip.

Is there also a contractual agreement to play 1 home game at Ethihaad?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Hawks can choose Launceston if they want?

BTW: Geelong dont want to play home finals at Kardinia. They just say they do. So we end up with these threads popping up every single year.

And

They are so tedious

 

[Hawkk]

Hawks can choose Launceston if they want?

BTW: Geelong dont want to play home finals at Kardinia. They just say they do. So we end up with these threads popping up every single year.

Difference is, Hawthorn play in Launceston because they can’t play all their games at the MCG — which is their primary home ground. Geelong should have the right to play a final at their primary home ground (at least in week 1) and they should get first crack at tickets. It won’t happen because finals have been neutral for 125 years but still…

As an aside, I thought it was bullshit when Hawthorn had to play Elimination Finals at Docklands in 2001 and 2007 (despite playing less games at the venue than the Crows in 2007)

 

[iameviljez]

Disagree with this. If you rotate the grand final you still get just as much home ground advantage for some teams that are undeserved. It just becomes random.

Precisely. It becomes random, rather than biased overwhelmingly to teams in the order of MCG tenants, Melbourne teams, Geelong, then everyone else.

Over time, this matters. I'd suggest that the home crowd played a big role in Collingwood's fast start in 2018, for example.

 

[Hawkk]

Precisely. It becomes random, rather than biased overwhelmingly to teams in the order of MCG tenants, Melbourne teams, Geelong, then everyone else.

Over time, this matters. I'd suggest that the home crowd played a big role in Collingwood's fast start in 2018, for example.

Attending the 2020 Grand Final in person (and going to the last 20 at the MCG) the atmosphere at the Gabba was trash…

It’s easily the most forgettable of the lot.

 

[iameviljez]

Attending the 2020 Grand Final in person (and going to the last 20 at the MCG) the atmosphere at the Gabba was trash…

It’s easily the most forgettable of the lot.

Totally disagree, I attended as well and thought the atmosphere was great. Probably helped that I was right in the middle of a massive batch of Cats fans near the fence...

Beat the crap out of the atmosphere in 2022. The GF atmosphere can often feel a little flat IMO, because there are so many neutrals/corporates.

 

[Sentinel]

Precisely. It becomes random, rather than biased overwhelmingly to teams in the order of MCG tenants, Melbourne teams, Geelong, then everyone else.

Over time, this matters. I'd suggest that the home crowd played a big role in Collingwood's fast start in 2018, for example.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Bulldogs, North and St Kilda have a greater advantage than Geelong when the grand final is held at the MCG?

 

[iameviljez]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Bulldogs, North and St Kilda have a greater advantage than Geelong when the grand final is held at the MCG?

Yes. It's actually in the same city, for a start. So, for StKilda and North in particular, it's a shorter train ride to take up their seats with the rest of the non-combatant players.

 

[Sentinel]

Yes. It's actually in the same city, for a start. So, for StKilda and North in particular, it's a shorter train ride to take up their seats with the rest of the non-combatant players.

This is hilarious.

 

[parano1a]

Is there also a contractual agreement to play 1 home game at Ethihaad?

The contractual requirements of Collingwood's fixture as as follows:

MCG: 9 home games, 5 away games
Marvel: 2 home games, 1 away game

Additionally, one of the two Marvel home games must be against another Victorian club, so every year we end up playing a home game against one of North, StK or WB at their home ground.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Geelong shouldn't be able to play at Kardinia Park at all, let alone in September.

The dimensions of the ground fall well outside reasonable variances, and one boundary is literally a 100m straight line.

 

[PhatBoy]

Geelong shouldn't be able to play at Kardinia Park at all, let alone in September.

The dimensions of the ground fall well outside reasonable variances, and one boundary is literally a 100m straight line.

Actually it’s a little over 50m. It’s the length of the centre square plus a few metres at either end.

It’s only been a century so maybe in another 100 years, guys who are paid to kick a football will be able to work out how to navigate it and kick within its confines, especially now that they spend every spare moment for 8 months a year as full time paid players.
One would hope their eyesight is good enough to see a gigantic white boundary line

And Carlton shouldn’t be allowed to play anywhere, realistically. That they’ve played in September at all over the last few decades is a minor miracle. Losing to them this year is something Frank Drebin himself would have trouble investigating.

 

[randyzany]

Hawks can choose Launceston if they want?

BTW: Geelong dont want to play home finals at Kardinia. They just say they do. So we end up with these threads popping up every single year.

Your posts are always a barrel of laughs, never change. But are you seriously comparing a stadium that the povo Hawks use to earn a few extra quids that is 500 kilometres away in Launceston (a stadium located in another state, much less city) to Geelong's very own stadium that is right in the centre (in other words 0 kilometres) of the actual city they are representing? That is one of the daftest thing I've ever read on BF.

 

[blackey]

Mod's Can't we just stickey
"why can't Geelong have a home final thread"
Then we can just revisit the same answers every year ?

 

[Outtatym]

Precisely. It becomes random, rather than biased overwhelmingly to teams in the order of MCG tenants, Melbourne teams, Geelong, then everyone else.

Over time, this matters. I'd suggest that the home crowd played a big role in Collingwood's fast start in 2018, for example.

Haha. Marvel clubs play at the MCG less than most interstate clubs.

 

[iameviljez]

Haha. Marvel clubs play at the MCG less than most interstate clubs.

At least it’s in their home city. I don’t think anyone would argue Brisbane, say, isn’t at a disadvantage still if playing a Docklands tenant at the G.

 

[StackedHunch]

It’s a bit over an hour down the highway every one-two years to watch your team play a home and away game against the Cats after three decades without a trip down there and you’re telling other fans to toughen up:

Interesting.

Your trips down the road aren't to take you to an inferior stadium with poor dimensions.

Cats fans have become so uppity the last year or so.

 

[PhatBoy]

Your trips down the road aren't to take you to an inferior stadium with poor dimensions.

Cats fans have become so uppity the last year or so.

Hard to tell whether your last sentence is sarcastic or not, given how ironically it contrasts with your first.

 

[joe444]

Geelong shouldn't be able to play at Kardinia Park at all, let alone in September.

The dimensions of the ground fall well outside reasonable variances, and one boundary is literally a 100m straight line.

1/ You're wrong - it's literally within the AFL Rules.
2/ Seen Adelaide Oval/egg recently? (123m wide v 115 m)

Still, if you want to build us a new stadium, knock yourself out. Because it certainly is "outside reasonable variances" to expect a regional team to play in the CBD.


Been that way since 1950 (albeit in yards). Before that, the "recommended width" in the rules was 120 yards, which happens to be smack bang on what Geelong has always been. So not only are you wrong, you're literally 180degrees away from being correct.

 

[StackedHunch]

Hard to tell whether your last sentence is sarcastic or not, given how ironically it contrasts with your first.

Welcome to the 21st century. You can have your taxpayer funded stadium during H&A, but finals is a multi-milllion dollar business. Harden up - the league doesn't exist to make Geelong feel relevant as a town.

 

[PhatBoy]

Welcome to the 21st century. You can have your taxpayer funded stadium during H&A, but finals is a multi-milllion dollar business. Harden up - the league doesn't exist to make Geelong feel relevant as a town.

You’re telling people to harden up but won’t accept being told to harden up and play finals at another venue or more to the point (because we have pretty much all gotten to the point - or I know I have - where I don’t really care where finals are played) you won’t accept Collingwood fans being told to harden up and play a game down the highway every two years

Oh how very chivalrous of you, defending the weak like that.

You really are like a modern Robin Hood, aren’t you:

If the world had more people like you, there’d be no need for heaven, we’d already be there.